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tonyrey
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It is unrealistic to think the Creator of the entire universe is restricted by a human opinion of divine power…Right, ok, so how could God do anything if God only experiences “now”?
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hasantas
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God is always is out of time. In where God were/is/will before time was created so God is always in there when time or an action is being created. The relation between time and God is the creating or action of creating. That is timeless for case of God but for material world is in time. God do not inhabit or interact in time and matter but God act and cause time and matter timeless. Time start with creating and before creating there is no time. Our material time come into being by creating of God and God is always out of time and matter. God is not kind of matter and time. The problem is that our comprehension is not enough to comprehend beyond of time and matter. If we were able to do that so we would be God!Which part of my sentence?
Only by your understanding of time.
Doesn’t any action require time in order to complete the action?
Also, let me ask you: if God is timeless, then how can he judge humanity in the future? Wouldn’t that require him to be temporal, since he seems to be experiencing a temporal succession during the judgment? Also, if Christ enters into the world, thus becoming temporal, wouldn’t God by definition have to be temporal?
God sent prophets to inform about Himself. God did not inhabit in time and matter to do that. God use intermediaries to do that and these are “angels”. Angels bring human revelation. So to judge human God will/do not inhabit into time but Angels will do that ofcourse under control of God. We cannot know the relation between God and Angels exactly.
Jesus was just a human and a prophet. He was not an incarnated God! But He was sent by God and was given great authority which made people to think that He was God himself!
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tonyrey
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What is the evidence for your view?God is always is out of time. In where God were/is/will before time was created so God is always in there when time or an action is being created. The relation between time and God is the creating or action of creating. That is timeless for case of God but for material world is in time. God do not inhabit or interact in time and matter but God act and cause time and matter timeless. Time start with creating and before creating there is no time. Our material time come into being by creating of God and God is always out of time and matter. God is not kind of matter and time. The problem is that our comprehension is not enough to comprehend beyond of time and matter. If we were able to do that so we would be God!
God sent prophets to inform about Himself. God did not inhabit in time and matter to do that. God use intermediaries to do that and these are “angels”. Angels bring human revelation. So to judge human God will/do not inhabit into time but Angels will do that ofcourse under control of God. We cannot know the relation between God and Angels exactly.
Jesus was just a human and a prophet. He was not an incarnated God! But He was sent by God and was given great authority which made people to think that He was God himself!
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hasantas
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Islam and Qur’an.What is the evidence for your view?
God process and act through laws just like gravity etc. The soul and angels also are such kind law of God which have conscience and life. Angels also have light body which is not bound to physical laws.
Natural laws are directly from power and will of God. God direct universe by laws which we call natural. God control deeds of human by Angels. For instance some kind angels write good deeds and others write evils etc. And God will punish or reward or order or judge human by angels. For instance the angels who will punish evil and unbelievers in Hell are called Zabani.
For case of Jesus… Well it is issue of Christians which is polemical. For case of Islam it is very certain.
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tonyrey
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In both cases it is a question of faith but Jesus gave us an example of the greatest love we can have for others: if necessary to suffer and die for them - and to liberate us from evil.Islam and Qur’an.
God process and act through laws just like gravity etc. The soul and angels also are such kind law of God which have conscience and life. Angels also have light body which is not bound to physical laws.
Natural laws are directly from power and will of God. God direct universe by laws which we call natural. God control deeds of human by Angels. For instance some kind angels write good deeds and others write evils etc. And God will punish or reward or order or judge human by angels. For instance the angels who will punish evil and unbelievers in Hell are called Zabani.
For case of Jesus… Well it is issue of Christians which is polemical. For case of Islam it is very certain.
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tonyrey
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Why is it “very certain”?Islam and Qur’an.
God process and act through laws just like gravity etc. The soul and angels also are such kind law of God which have conscience and life. Angels also have light body which is not bound to physical laws.
Natural laws are directly from power and will of God. God direct universe by laws which we call natural. God control deeds of human by Angels. For instance some kind angels write good deeds and others write evils etc. And God will punish or reward or order or judge human by angels. For instance the angels who will punish evil and unbelievers in Hell are called Zabani.
For case of Jesus… Well it is issue of Christians which is polemical. For case of Islam it is very certain.
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hasantas
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Many prophets suffered and got killed brutally and also people did intent to kill Jesus. But that was not by will of Jesus. Here:In both cases it is a question of faith but Jesus gave us an example of the greatest love we can have for others: if necessary to suffer and die for them - and to liberate us from evil.
41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. Luke 22
Jesus wanted from Father to be saved from trap. Jesus was informed about evil intention of people so Jesus prayed to be saved.
And ofcourse we should love each other very much as it said in Qur’an that all believers are brother. Prophet Muhammad said that "you cannot have a perfect faith if you do not love each others.
But it is not advisable to want from God any disaster or trouble or death. Because it is very hard. And some can sacrifice for beloveds. Jesus did very self-sacrifice for believers and He(any prophet) did not hesitate to achive duty though in danger of life. Jesus knew that people would intend to kill Him but Jesus did not abscond. Jesus did trust Father very much.
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Tomdstone
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Do you see any difference between Al going 30 MPH and Bob going 55 MPH on the same road?There is no before and after but only now when there is one act hence we don’t have time.
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STT
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Yes.Do you see any difference between Al going 30 MPH and Bob going 55 MPH on the same road?
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Tomdstone
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And since you say we don’t have time, how do you account for differences in velocity if there is no time?Yes.
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STT
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I think that I was talking about God.And since you say we don’t have time, how do you account for differences in velocity if there is no time?
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Tomdstone
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Jesus was in time and the Eucharist is in time. Both are God.I think that I was talking about God.
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STT
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So you mean that God is inside and outside of time at the same time? The incarnation to me is a contradictory concept.Jesus was in time and the Eucharist is in time. Both are God.
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Tomdstone
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I know that Jesus was in time and that the Eucharist is in time. Before the words of the Consecration, the bread and wine have not changed their essence. AFAIK, and I am not an expert, after the words of Consecration, the Bread and Wine become the divine Body and Blood of Jesus. And the Eucharist is in time?So you mean that God is inside and outside of time at the same time? The incarnation to me is a contradictory concept.
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Jaaanosik
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The Trinity might be an answer.Explain God’s relationship to time. Is God timeless or temporal, or does he dwell in some sort of metaphysical time which we cannot explain? If God is temporal, then wouldn’t time have to have existed from infinity? And if God is timeless, then how can he interact with a temporal creation? Also, if God was timeless prior to creation and then temporal since creation, doesn’t this make God subject to time…which he created?
Discuss.
God is outside of time, God creates time and God is in time.
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