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MiserereMei25
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Pope Francis stated this in a book Im reading called “Our Father.”
What are your thoughts on this statement?
What are your thoughts on this statement?
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Thom18
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Thom18
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What’s the context of the quote?
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Arwing
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Read in context, it seems to me that the pope is saying that if God abandoned us, he would not be God – God is love and all that.
Assuming you mean this: General Audience
Assuming you mean this: General Audience
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The problem with that is that God was God before anything else existed.
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MiserereMei25
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right. thats my issue. God is, was, and always will be God regardless.
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Mtdobbs
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How do you come to terms with the phrase that “God is jealous for our love”?
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YIRI-U-RIHO
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If God cannot be God without man, then God would “need” man, which would make God not omnipotent because man would have some power over Him by being able to prevent Him from fully being God.
Therefore, because God is omnipotent, God can be God without man.
Therefore, because God is omnipotent, God can be God without man.
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Thom18
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Thanks.
As I figured, Pope Francis is discussing God’s nature(s). God wouldn’t be Who He is without us because we are the subject of His love.
As I figured, Pope Francis is discussing God’s nature(s). God wouldn’t be Who He is without us because we are the subject of His love.
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MiserereMei25
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Thank you. That makes sense to me.
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AlbMagno
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Given the context, it’s metaphoric speaking. CAF users, please stop being so nitpicky with Pope Francis cathecism, I’m sure that if John Paul II used this kind of rethorical language far less users would put it under debate.
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Arwing
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^ Right, I also imagine plenty of Jesus’s sayings could be subjected to the same kinds of interpretations.
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petra22
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Well, at first I was going to say, WHAT!!! Say WHAT??? And after I read page 99 I thought WELL, Jesus did become man and now man in the form of Jesus is part of the Trinity… WOW. 
Still I don’t think God needed us. But he did want us to know how much we are loved by Him…
Still I don’t think God needed us. But he did want us to know how much we are loved by Him…
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God doesn’t change so even when we did not exist He still had the same attributes.
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Thom18
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The Pope isn’t suggesting that God changes or that we cause any of His attributes.
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RandomAlias
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I think the Pope Francis’ choice of words is provocative, in the sense of provoking thought and thereby leading us to a deeper understanding.
On my first reading of it, I thought he meant that God’s very existence required the existence of man, which doesn’t make a lot of sense.
The phrase “God cannot be without us” brings to mind that God is always present and cannot abandon us. This relates to God’s nature, not God’s existence.
“He will never be a ‘manless’ God” I believe is offered in contrast to the earlier statement that “Some… may even claim to be ‘godless.’” We may turn away or move away from God, but he does not turn away or move away from us.
The next few lines seem to follow this logic, although the wording remains provocative.
@Petra22’s thoughts about the Incarnation and the Trinity take it a step further. In view of the Incarnation – God’s act of becoming man eternally, can it be said that humanity is an essential aspect of God’s nature? Yes. I don’t see how to avoid this conclusion. As Pope Francis wrote, “What a great mystery this is!”
On my first reading of it, I thought he meant that God’s very existence required the existence of man, which doesn’t make a lot of sense.
The phrase “God cannot be without us” brings to mind that God is always present and cannot abandon us. This relates to God’s nature, not God’s existence.
“He will never be a ‘manless’ God” I believe is offered in contrast to the earlier statement that “Some… may even claim to be ‘godless.’” We may turn away or move away from God, but he does not turn away or move away from us.
The next few lines seem to follow this logic, although the wording remains provocative.
@Petra22’s thoughts about the Incarnation and the Trinity take it a step further. In view of the Incarnation – God’s act of becoming man eternally, can it be said that humanity is an essential aspect of God’s nature? Yes. I don’t see how to avoid this conclusion. As Pope Francis wrote, “What a great mystery this is!”
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii
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That’s not how I learned it.
I’ve decided that he’s using poetical language to drive at a point.
But no, God loves us very much, but He doesn’t need us
I’ve decided that he’s using poetical language to drive at a point.
But no, God loves us very much, but He doesn’t need us
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Lee1
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He created the angels first and I’m sure He loves them.
They worship Him constantly as God.
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