Wait. So if God has “eternal” knowledge wouldn’t that mean God know past, present and future? If so that would be foreknowledge. Since God is also a “changeless” being that means that God is still cemented in a static state. If “outside of time” how can such a being interact with time?Knowledge that has always existed. It is not added to, nor subtracted from.
My response does not change. God has no foreknowledge. God does not have a past nor a future, only an eternal now. By stating He has foreknowledge your are arbitrarily limiting God to temporal existence. It not appropriate to limit Him this way.
God is omnipresent.Wait. So if God has “eternal” knowledge wouldn’t that mean God know past, present and future? If so that would be foreknowledge. Since God is also a “changeless” being that means that God is still cemented in a static state. If “outside of time” how can such a being interact with time?
That still doesn’t help. So God is everywhere and yet nowhere? To be “outside of time” you are not in time so how can you be in and out? That is a paradox imo.God is omnipresent.
Not sure how you conclude this.That still doesn’t help. So God is everywhere and yet nowhere
God has not revealed “how” he does this. But it is true nonetheless.To be “outside of time” you are not in time so how can you be in and out?
I think you misunderstand what eternity is.That is a paradox imo.
Only from your perspective. How can you impose your perspective on God?Wait. So if God has “eternal” knowledge wouldn’t that mean God know past, present and future?
No it does not mean that. God is pure act. He has no potential to be anything other than what He is. This does not, and cannot, imply that He is static.If so that would be foreknowledge. Since God is also a “changeless” being that means that God is still cemented in a static state.
That has not been revealed to us. But we know it happens. Jesus, the second person of the Trinity, became man and entered time.If “outside of time” how can such a being interact with time?
Well, if God knows everything then he knows about what we call future. I can call this knowledge as foreknowledge.Knowledge that has always existed. It is not added to, nor subtracted from.
He has foreknowledge given the definition that I provide.My response does not change. God has no foreknowledge.
I didn’t say so.God does not have a past nor a future, only an eternal now.
That is not correct. I just divide God’s knowledge to several parts.By stating He has foreknowledge your are arbitrarily limiting God to temporal existence. It not appropriate to limit Him this way.
Yes. God is static. Hence he cannot decide because decision is about planing future which he cannot do.Wait. So if God has “eternal” knowledge wouldn’t that mean God know past, present and future? If so that would be foreknowledge. Since God is also a “changeless” being that means that God is still cemented in a static state. If “outside of time” how can such a being interact with time?
Nice editing of my post sir. I didn’t conclude anything hence the question mark at the end of my sentence. You also don’t seem to understand what a paradox is. Here is a definition.Not sure how you conclude this.
God has not revealed “how” he does this. But it is true nonetheless.
I think you misunderstand what eternity is.
Also, it may be a paradox, but it is not a contradiction.
All I have is my perspective. That is how I measure things.Only from your perspective. How can you impose your perspective on God?
No it does not mean that. God is pure act. He has no potential to be anything other than what He is. This does not, and cannot, imply that He is static.
That has not been revealed to us. But we know it happens. Jesus, the second person of the Trinity, became man and entered time.
Projection is inappropriate.All I have is my perspective. That is how I measure things.
Why are you equating God to an inanimate object?If God is an act how can it have sentience? If I pick up a pencil and write with it the act of writing doesn’t have sentience. This make the concept more confusing.
If you want to argue against a straw man, go ahead, but count me out.To me this is a plea to ignorance. “How can we know for God is mysterious so just forget it”. That isn’t how someone rationally thinks.
I’m not projecting and I have no clue how you got that.Projection is inappropriate.
Why are you equating God to an inanimate object?
If you want to argue against a straw man, go ahead, but count me out.
How else am I to interpret this exchange?I’m not projecting and I have no clue how you got that.
Originally Posted by NM505StKate (#21): Wait. So if God has “eternal” knowledge wouldn’t that mean God know past, present and future?
My reply (#25): Only from your perspective. How can you impose your perspective on God?
NM505StKate (#30): All I have is my perspective. That is how I measure things.
My reply (#31): Projection is inappropriate.
It is not example demonstrating anything about God.It is an example.
The straw man was using lack of one detail to describe the whole. Then using that as an argument against.Okay how is it a straw man when you have “it has not been revealed to us” as a back up?
Okay then please define God for me.How else am I to interpret this exchange?
It is not example demonstrating anything about God.
The straw man was using lack of one detail to describe the whole. Then using that as an argument against.
As reported to Moses,Okay then please define God for me.
That does not say anything. Please define God.As reported to Moses,
“I AM WHO AM”
As deduced by St Thomas Aquinas: the uncaused cause
Modern Catholic DictionaryOkay then please define God for me.
You are basically asserting that God has no free will. This reasoning is like thinking that God is sitting there with a crystal ball asking what is going to happen in the future, and whatever he sees happen must therefore happen, and then that is what he must do. As, if he has no choice in the matter. However, did you think that maybe the future is a particular way because God willed it to be that way? That he wasn’t just passively sitting back and singing, ‘Que Sera, Sera’? And, if he willed it to be a certain way then he has a will and thus chose it to be that way.I could phrase my argument better. Please see the following:
- God is changeless
- Creation exist
- God has foreknowledge
- From (2) and (3) we can deduce that God has foreknowledge of creation
- From (1) and (4) we can deduce that the foreknowledge of God cannot change
- From (5) we can deduce that God cannot decide about the act of creation because his foreknowledge cannot change
Yes.You are basically asserting that God has no free will.
That is correct. He is sitting there, eternal now, look at his crystal ball, foreknowledge, and does what he is supposed to do, eternal act.This reasoning is like thinking that God is sitting there with a crystal ball asking what is going to happen in the future, and whatever he sees happen must therefore happen, and then that is what he must do. As, if he has no choice in the matter.
Decision is an ability to plan future. That is what we do. God dwells in eternal now.However, did you think that maybe the future is a particular way because God willed it to be that way? That he wasn’t just passively sitting back and singing, ‘Que Sera, Sera’? And, if he willed it to be a certain way then he has a will and thus chose it to be that way.