Sorry it’s been a while - my access to these forums is occasionally sporadic.
There is not any objective time because our senses only inform us about shapes and motions. All process inside our brain run with specific speed. So we have two speed, one inside our brain and other which happens outside. From this we construct a subjective time.
I didn’t say so. Shapes and motion are objective qualities and we can experience them which means that there are subjective quality related to objective qualities which exist outside.
Right. So my first question could be rephrased as "why is it the case that the subjective time that we construct is not the same as objective time [at least to within acceptable parameters]? That is, it may be that we experience time subjectively, but with care we can convert this even in our minds to correspond to the objective qualities. So maybe our “feelings” can be off, so that the same things can seem to last forever while we’re doing them, and to have taken no time at all when we’re finished - but being rational, we can look past the “seems” and say “it has taken 5 hours to _____”, based on objective criteria.
Or to address the way you put it to another poster: our sense of sight can inform us about this objective time, we just have to build a clock to look at first.
(You could argue that perhaps all clocks oscillate in time measuring abilities so that what a clock says is a minute may not always be the same length of some more fundamental time that we don’t understand, but that stretches and shrinks how all clocks and motion behave (beyond the predictableness of relativity or any other theory we can discover) so that what appears to us to be constant is not in fact actually constant on this fundamental unobservable scale, but that’s fine - we’re still measuring time objectively, just relative to whatever weirdness messes with our clocks. We may not know what that is, exactly, but it doesn’t make it any less objective: we’re counting in weird minutes, but those weird minutes are actual lengths of time corresponding to actual things.)
I don’t understand you question. Could you please elaborate?
My question was, I think, based partially on a misunderstanding regarding your position on objective time (which I’m still a little unsure about), so I think I can split it into two parts based on my two best guess as to how you might consider such time.
Version 1: There is objective time, even if humans do not, without taking a lot of care and using specially made instruments, internalize it very well (if at all). So despite the fact that humans experience time subjectively, to at least some degree, there is in fact still an objective time.
It would seem to follow, then, that the phrase “God exists outside of time” is still perfectly fine - Neither the objective time, nor our human approximations of that objective time that are our subjective times actually apply to God, who sees all “times” “at once,” in an eternal now.
Version 2: Humans create their own subjective experience, which they call “time,” based on objective states of affairs. But there isn’t really any such thing as time as such, since each of these states of affairs at different “times” are all different parts of the same total state of affairs, much like the circles that form the cross-sections of spheres are better said to be part of the sphere than a circle that increases and decreases in radius over some sort of time (see: the sphere visiting flatland). (Or any other number of ways of arguing that there is no “real” time, despite there being real things that we interpret as time.) For some reason, humans experience this one aspect of reality as sequence rather than as distance, but ultimately it is no different and there is no “actual” time.
But this actually isn’t much different from the first: We could say that God simply is not bound by this weird way of perceiving reality, but instead sees all of it at once, which is identical to the eternal now mentioned before.
Therefore, it would seem that we can legitimately say that God is outside of time even if there is no time beyond our perceptions - the statement just changes to mean that God is not bound by the illusions that we must follow.
