God did not create the universe, says Hawking

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(Reuters) - God did not create the universe and the “Big Bang” was an inevitable consequence of the laws of physics, the eminent British theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking argues in a new book.

In “The Grand Design,” co-authored with U.S. physicist Leonard Mlodinow, Hawking says a new series of theories made a creator of the universe redundant, according to the Times newspaper which published extracts on Thursday.

“Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist,” Hawking writes.

“It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going.”

Hawking, 68, who won global recognition with his 1988 book “A Brief History of Time,” an account of the origins of the universe, is renowned for his work on black holes, cosmology and quantum gravity.

Since 1974, the scientist has worked on marrying the two cornerstones of modern physics – Albert Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity, which concerns gravity and large-scale phenomena, and quantum theory, which covers subatomic particles.

His latest comments suggest he has broken away from previous views he has expressed on religion. Previously, he wrote that the laws of physics meant it was simply not necessary to believe that God had intervened in the Big Bang.
 
It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going
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Either his analogy is stupid; or he implies therein that something analagorically similar to the “touch paper” existed before the Big Bang; which iself requires an explanation beyond “gravity”.
 
Who made the law of gravity?

I feel sorry for this guy’s condition, but his song is starting to get old.

I pray for his conversion.
 
He really has lost his mind. He has gone from a physicist to believing in magic lol
 
I fail to see why, just because Stephen Hawking says something, its automatically true, regardless of what most other physicists, theologians, philosophers and metaphysists say about it.

Maybe one day he’ll see there has to be a first cause.
 
Not all’s lost-we’ll just have to start worshipping gravity. Which I guess makes zero gravity evil? 🤷
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
Who made the law of gravity?

I feel sorry for this guy’s condition, but his song is starting to get old.

I pray for his conversion.
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When I first read the article, I was wondering the same thing, who made the law of gravity. I notice he didn’t mention anything concerning its existence.
 
The title of this article seems to be slightly misleading. Unless I missed something, Hawking said that God was not necessary for the creation of the universe, not that it is certain God did not create the universe (or exist, for that matter).
 
Naturalism (the idea that that all is physical and self explanatory), logically speaking, is a dead philosophy, and it his been known to be dead for long time by those who are willing to see the truth through to its consequence.

What Hawkins is saying is nothing new. Its the art of trying to get something for nothing; which should in itself reveal the desperate circumstances in which an atheistic world-view finds itself. The only reason that naturalism appears to have survived this long as a rational world view is because it is a parasite that has latched on to the methodological naturalism of science, and it is refusing to let go, simply because it cannot rationally stand by itself. Thus scientists can get away with promoting irrational ideas because they are viewed as the new infallible Popes of human knowledge. Atheism survives on mere appearances, but is rationally redundant as a world view. Practical Atheism is popular in the western world. Therefore if a popular scientist, who is seen as a genius, says that the world popped out of nothing by itself, you can be sure that people are going to be fooled into agreeing with him despite it being one of the most irrational things a human being can think.
 
Kevin42 said:
The title of this article seems to be slightly misleading. Unless I missed something, Hawking said that God was not necessary for the creation of the universe, not that it is certain God did not create the universe (or exist, for that matter).
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To say that God is not necessary for the existence of the universe is to undermine the Catholic Christian understanding of God.
 
Kevin42 said:
The title of this article seems to be slightly misleading. Unless I missed something, Hawking said that God was not necessary for the creation of the universe, not that it is certain God did not create the universe (or exist, for that matter).
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Has anyone ever noticed how many people confuse the “close to first cause” with the first cause.
 
Pieman333272 said:
I fail to see why, just because Stephen Hawking says something, its automatically true, regardless of what most other physicists, theologians, philosophers and metaphysists say about it.

Maybe one day he’ll see there has to be a first cause.
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And if Catholic Christian teachings say something its automatically true?

Maybe one day everyone will realize that none of us know anything
 
What needs to be remembered is that Hawking is only trying to think outside the box. He has no proof whatever that the universe created itself from nothing. Indeed, how can you invoke the laws of physics when such laws did not exist before the universe came to exist?

Hawking is an old man who has suffered well beyond what most people in his condition have suffered. To be a powerful intellect imprisoned in that body is enough to challenge any man’s belief in the existence of a personal God. Yet Hawking had enough brains, and certainly enough leisure, to have thought his way through to the hidden God . It’s a pity he has chosen this route as his exit strategy. Neither wise nor thoughtful, his spirit has burned out its flame. We can only pray that it will rise again from its ashes before his final hour.
 
vz71 said:
Has anyone ever noticed how many people confuse the “close to first cause” with the first cause.
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Kevin42 said:
Would you care to further clarify your statement?
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Sure.

Various scientists are always searching for a theory to explain it all without God.
On occasion, they find something that is close to explaining it all, but of course leaves out God.
.
Until some other scientist comes up with another theory that fills in holes of the first theory.
etc.
etc.

They never do find the real cause of it all. But they continually believe whatever the current theory is explains it all.

An ongoing cycle.

It is the scientific equivalent of fashion.
Whatever the current theory is ages almost as fast as yesterday’s fashions.
And until they adopt the fact of God, they will continue the cycle.
 
SedesDomi said:
(Reuters) - God did not create the universe and the “Big Bang” was an inevitable consequence of the laws of physics, the eminent British theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking argues in a new book.

In “The Grand Design,” co-authored with U.S. physicist Leonard Mlodinow, Hawking says a new series of theories made a creator of the universe redundant, according to the Times newspaper which published extracts on Thursday.

“Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist,” Hawking writes.

“It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going.”

Hawking, 68, who won global recognition with his 1988 book “A Brief History of Time,” an account of the origins of the universe, is renowned for his work on black holes, cosmology and quantum gravity.

Since 1974, the scientist has worked on marrying the two cornerstones of modern physics – Albert Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity, which concerns gravity and large-scale phenomena, and quantum theory, which covers subatomic particles.

His latest comments suggest he has broken away from previous views he has expressed on religion. Previously, he wrote that the laws of physics meant it was simply not necessary to believe that God had intervened in the Big Bang.
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it seems to me that some people are so arrogant that they truly believe they know more than God? it is a lack of faith in God that deeply saddens me:( so many are turning away from God.How many people you know think your developmentally delayed pathetic sap for believing in God?
 
**Pray for these incredibly intelligent people who have no clue!

From today’s Mass readings;

“Make no mistake about it: if any one of you thinks of himself as wise, in the ordinary sense of the word, then he must learn to be a fool before he really can be wise.”** (1 Corinthians 3:18-23)

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Pecatoribus!

mark
 
Kevin42 said:
The title of this article seems to be slightly misleading. Unless I missed something, Hawking said that God was not necessary for the creation of the universe, not that it is certain God did not create the universe (or exist, for that matter).
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Right. But this is sufficient to be problematic for many religions, Catholicism among them. God as ‘prime mover’ is identified as real (or maybe ‘actual’ is a better word) because he is seen as necessary as a way to plug a gaping hole in our knowledge – why does anything exist at all. It’s not that God has been detected, shown, demonstrated, but rather that he simply must exist.

That’s why suggesting that God is not a necessary postulate after all, leaves God in a highly dubious position, not being either identifiable empircally, nor required by inference or default. It’s not to say God doesn’t exist, or didn’t create the universe; that can’t be know. But rather, that God is superfluous, unnecessary, redundant as a matter of explaining and understanding the reality around us.

-TS
 
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