God greatly exalted him and bestowed on him the name ? How?

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Philippians
Chapter 2

1 If there is any encouragement in Christ, any solace in love, any participation in the Spirit, any compassion and mercy,
2 complete my joy by being of the same mind, with the same love, united in heart, thinking one thing.
3 Do nothing out of selfishness or out of vainglory; rather, humbly regard others as more important than yourselves,
4 each looking out not for his own interests, but (also) everyone for those of others.
5 Have among yourselves the same attitude that is also yours in Christ Jesus,
6 Who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God something to be grasped.
7 Rather, he emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, coming in human likeness; 5 and found human in appearance,
8 he humbled himself, becoming obedient to death, even death on a cross.
9 Because of this, God greatly exalted him and ** bestowed on him the name that is above every name, **
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bend, of those in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
usccb.org/nab/bible/philippians/philippians2.htm#v11 ]

God greatly exalted him and ** bestowed on him the name that is above every name, ** ??

How God greatly exalted himself and bestowed on himself the name that is above every name when Jesus himself is God and is Lord?

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It’s no different than how Jesus can be called “Son of God.” “How can he be the son of himself?” one might ask. It’s quite simple because the Godhead (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) comprises of individual persons. Identifying a particular person of the Trinity allows us to identify them in their unique personage while also maintaining their oneness with the other two persons of the Trinity. It would be equally valid to say “Father of God” or “Holy Spirit of God” or in more wordly terms “Youngest Son of the Family” or “Mother of the Family” or “Cousin of the Family.” Having established this way of identifying the individual Person of the Trinity, it becomes clear how “God” in His fullness of three can give a particular name to one of the persons. It is not that the other two come up with the name and brand it on the remaining person but that the person named participates in His naming. If I did not have a name assigned to me in human language, I could simply take on a name at some point. It would be accurate for one to say that “The family named him…” even though I am actually a member of the family. I too can participate in that naming by giving my particular (name removed by moderator)ut and if we all took part, it would still be accurate to say that the family named me. I am inseperable from the family in that I am inherrently a member of it. So much more is Jesus a member of the Godhead who is three persons in one God who cannot be seperated because of their inherrent unity and necessitation of the others in loving community. Although the theology of the Trinity is a great mystery it has been revealed to us the basics of the reality of God.
 
But isn’t Jesus Chirst himself The Father?

If, Jesus = The Father = The God Almighty, then:

How God greatly exalted Himself and bestowed on Himself the name that is above every name?

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Justice2006:
But isn’t Jesus Chirst himself The Father?

If, Jesus = The Father = The God Almighty, then:

How God greatly exalted Himself and bestowed on Himself the name that is above every name?

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No, he isn’t.

Jesus does not equal the Father.

As stated by the previous poster, the Trinity comprises three persons, one substance, one God. The Son is not the Father, though both, with the Holy Spirit are one God.

I know that is hard to understand, and is impossible to understand fully with the human mind. Augustine called the Trinity an “enigma”. Nevertheless it is the truth believed by Catholics.
 
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asteroid:
No, he isn’t.

Jesus does not equal the Father.

As stated by the previous poster, the Trinity comprises three persons, one substance, one God. The Son is not the Father, though both, with the Holy Spirit are one God.

I know that is hard to understand, and is impossible to understand fully with the human mind. Augustine called the Trinity an “enigma”. Nevertheless it is the truth believed by Catholics.
What? The Son is not the Father, though both, with the Holy Spirit are one God???

Are you dividing the existence of God into three parts?
If so, your God is dividable? And when God was divided into three parts or atleast The Son part was seperated and came down to the earth in human flesh, was the remaining part of God in the Heaven, a complete existence of God?

But isn’t Jesus himself God?

Or may be you should first define:

-What do you mean by God Almighty?
-Who is The Father?
-Who is The Son?
-Who is the Holy Spirit?


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Justice: The Son is not the Father. This is the teaching of the Catholic Church and has been so for 2000 years. Protestants and the Eastern Orthodox would agree with the Catholic Church on this point. The Trinity is a difficult doctrine to grasp at first, but it is central to our Faith.

There is one divine essence (or substance). For this reason, we can say that God is one being. God is, however, three distinct persons. These three persons share the same essence, substance, or being (whatever term you wish to use), but possess distinct roles within the Godhead. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are equal in dignity and glory, for they are one in being and will. The three persons exist from everlasting to everlasting (meaning that the one God has always been comprised of three equal persons, and always shall be). While they are equal in dignity, they have different roles. The one divine essence is not divided. All three are equally and fully God. God is infinite, so there is no need to divide the divine essence. If God were finite, for three person to be God, the divine nature would have to be separated into three pieces. But as God is infinite, three persons can equally and fully share the one infinite nature.

You’ve cited Phil. 2. There are countless other instances when the Father and the Son (and the Holy Spirit, though not as often) are clearly indicated as distinct persons. For example, the Spirit intercede for us before the Father. (Romans 8:26)

I’ve included below the Nicene Creed, which summarizes the Catholic Faith and briefly defines each person of the Trinity.
We believe in one God, the Father, the almight, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father,God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father. Thrugh him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
The Nicaeano-Constantinopolitanum Creed explains further:
We believe (I believe) in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, and born of the Father before all ages. (God of God) light of light, true God of true God. Begotten not made, consubstantial to the Father, by whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven. And was incarnate of the Holy Ghost and of the Virgin Mary and was made man; was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, suffered and was buried; and the third day rose again according to the Scriptures. And ascended into heaven, sits at the right hand of the Father, and shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, of whose Kingdom there shall be no end. And (I believe) in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father (and the Son), who together with the Father and the Son is to be adored and glorified, who spoke by the Prophets. And one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We confess (I confess) one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for (I look for) the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen."
You may also want to take a look at the following articles:
newadvent.org/cathen/15047a.htm
catholic.com/thisrock/1997/9704frs.asp
 
Dear Mr Justice2006,
I think you’re reading too much into Phillipians 2:9. You should really read the entire letter for the context. If you want to play word games so can I.

Hope this helps.

Chau,
Rodrigo
 
God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit

This is the trinity, 3 persons in 1 God

distinct with each other but not separate.

The reason why the Son was exalted, because the Son became man (as lowly as a man, lower than angels of course), his spirit nature became flesh.

the Father returning the favor exalted him among creations to be Higher than any creation (higher than the highest angel or creation).
Rodrigo Bivar:
Dear Mr Justice2006,

I think you’re reading too much into Phillipians 2:9. You should really read the entire letter for the context. If you want to play word games so can I.

Hope this helps.

Chau,
Rodrigo
 
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Justice2006:
What? The Son is not the Father, though both, with the Holy Spirit are one God???

Are you dividing the existence of God into three parts?
If so, your God is dividable? And when God was divided into three parts or atleast The Son part was seperated and came down to the earth in human flesh, was the remaining part of God in the Heaven, a complete existence of God?

But isn’t Jesus himself God?

Or may be you should first define:

-What do you mean by God Almighty?

-Who is The Father?
-Who is The Son?
-Who is the Holy Spirit?


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Since you ask. For more information, please see here,

scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c1p2.htm

It is a section of the Catechism of the Catholic church that discusses the Trinity in some depth. The Catechism puts things better than I can. In (very) brief, we do not divide the Godhead, neither do we confuse the persons (see the Athanasian Creed)

Also read this, which deals specifically with the description of God as “Almighty”:

scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c1p3.htm

Specifically these parts of the Catechism are about the part of the creed that reads "“I BELIEVE IN GOD THE FATHER ALMIGHTY, CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH” but in discussing this it is necessary to discuss the Trinity. If read and studied carefully it will help you to understand what we believe.

For further information on the Son, please see here:

scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c2a2.htm

That section of the Catechism is about the part of the creed that says ""AND IN JESUS CHRIST, HIS ONLY SON, OUR LORD"

For further information on the Holy Spirit, please see here:

scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c3a8.htm

That section of the Catechism is about the part of the creed that states **“I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT” **

Once you’ve read and studied these sections of the Catechism please feel free to return and ask further questions about our faith.

Wishing you well with your reading and studying, and in seeking increased understanding of what we, as Catholics, believe - and regarding the Trinity, what is believed by all mainstream Christian churches.

I don’t ask you to believe as we do, but please make an effort to do this reading and so understand what we believe, and please do so before asking any more questions that would be answered adequately in the Catechism. Especially please do so in order that you may not ever incorrectly tell us what we believe. That benefits no one.
 
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