God has not a body...... or does He?

[dkward2]

My father pointed out another interesting verse to me through some email.

Number 12:6-8
*And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, * the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, [and] will speak unto him in a dream.

My servant Moses [is] not so, who [is] faithful in all mine house.

With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses? *

I found it to be interesting. Jehovah seems to be clearly saying that he will speak directly to Moses, not through visions, dreams, etc. The LORD will be “apparent” to Moses and speak mouth to mouth.

Mouth may not be a literal mouth, but the LORD himself says he appears to Moses. If Jesus says no one has seen God, which He does, what can this mean?*

 

[Latin_Catholic_1]

Hi Everybody!

Maybe this is another solution to the whole thing:

Maybe “seeing” means that you know something.

For example, I “see” and apple and I pretty much know what the apple is.

But since no one can really “know” God because He is infinite, then “no human being has seen God” really.

If we are to understand “seeing Him” as “knowing Him”, then it makes sense why only Jesus Christ (God-Man) has seen God; only He -as God- can truly know God.

What do you think?

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

thats interresting Latin_Catholic,

May I point out, that Jesus said,

John 14:9
Jesus answered: "Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Now lets look at I John 4 for context and meaning,

7Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son** into the world that we might live through him. 10This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for[c] our sins. 11Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
13We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. 14And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God. 16And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. 17In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like him. 18There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

19We love because he first loved us. 20If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. 21And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.

I think verse 20 changes the meaning of verse 12, allow me to pharaphrase If I may,

verse 12,

No one today sees God standing in front of him, but if we are a loving community then God lives in us all and his love is active in our group and completed in our individual lives.

verse 20,

One who says that he loves God and shows hate towards his brother is lying because how can he love one whom he can not see, when in fact he hates those that he can see.

Hows that sound?**

 

[Latin_Catholic_1]

Daniel Marsh:

thats interresting Latin_Catholic,

May I point out, that Jesus said,

John 14:9
Jesus answered: "Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Now lets look at I John 4 for context and meaning,

7Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son** into the world that we might live through him. 10This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for[c] our sins. 11Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
13We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. 14And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God. 16And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. 17In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like him. 18There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

19We love because he first loved us. 20If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. 21And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.

I think verse 20 changes the meaning of verse 12, allow me to pharaphrase If I may,

verse 12,

No one today sees God standing in front of him, but if we are a loving community then God lives in us all and his love is active in our group and completed in our individual lives.

verse 20,

One who says that he loves God and shows hate towards his brother is lying because how can he love one whom he can not see, when in fact he hates those that he can see.

Hows that sound?**

I think that’s pretty good, because both verses talk about “not seeing God”.

Anyhow, I’ve grown more and more comfortable with the idea of “God the Father manifesting Himself as a man” because after all, we’re not mormons for it:

Mormons believe God the Father has a human body as a part of Him whereas we may believe He can manifest to us as a regular man, but this doesn’t change the fact that He -as a divine Being- has no body at all (He’s pure spirit, like the Gospel states).

Just like angels -who are spiritual creatures with no bodies- can manifest themselves as persons without “permanently adopting a body” as a part of them, same thing with God the Father.

 

[Traditional_Ang]

thistle:

From the searches I have done on the web the Ravasio apparitions are NOT Church approved.

Thistle:

I’ve just turned this up:

Unity Publishing Vindicated Again - Vatican Rejects Our Lady of All Nations’ Prayer
unitypublishing.com/Apparitions/VaticanLadyofAllNations.htm

Vatican rejects prayer to "Lady of All Nations"
msc.net.ph/balita/07_25_07_31/b2.html

God The Father Of All Mankind
catholicdoors.com/isit/isit06.htm

The reason there was a doctrinal problem with this PRIVATE REVELATION was because NOT ONLY had it never been accepted by the Church:

It had been REJECTED by the Church!

That was from a simple Google Search… Latin_Catholic, someone misled you about the Church’s position on this PRIVATE REVELATION.

Next time, please do a a few Google Search’s under all possible combinations of the person’s name (That was under “Mother Ravasio” - except for the last one), before you start tying yourself in knotts… And then talk to a Priest or a knowledgeable Deacon. Most, if they know that the information is important to you, will try to find it out for you.

But, please, and this is for everyone, the Church WILL NEVER accept PRIVATE REVELATION which CONTRADICTS the Church’s PUBLIC REVELATION (Sacred Scripture and the Tradition of the Church).

YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK!

I hope this clears this mess up.

Goodnight.

In Christ, Michael

 

[Latin_Catholic_1]

Traditional Ang:

Thistle:

I’ve just turned this up:

Unity Publishing Vindicated Again - Vatican Rejects Our Lady of All Nations’ Prayer
unitypublishing.com/Apparitions/VaticanLadyofAllNations.htm

Dear Traditional Ang:

Unity Publishing IS NOT a catholic site.

It has WAY MANY suspicious & bizarre things.

And of course, even if this thread is not about Our Lady of the Nations, let me tell you they are Church-approved and the Vatican has not rejected OLTN Prayer.

Quite the contrary: the prayer is Church-approved, BUT because “one part” of it is under deeper studies, then you should not say it in public (only that part, not the prayer as a whole):

de-vrouwe.net/downloads/english/050808…who_once_was_Mary.pdf

God The Father Of All Mankind
catholicdoors.com/isit/isit06.htm

The reason there was a doctrinal problem with this PRIVATE REVELATION was because NOT ONLY had it never been accepted by the Church:

It had been REJECTED by the Church!

That’s not true.

I learned from the Apparitions from my Priest, and they indeed are
Church Approved:

Source

 

[Latin_Catholic_1]

Latin_Catholic:

Hi!

I already sent my Q to Ask an Apologist but no answer was given so maybe I’ll have better luck in here.

Mormons believe God has a physical body, but according to Scripture (Jn. 4,24) God is pure Spirit, so He does not.

J.Ws believe God has a “spiritual body” according to 1Cor. 15,44 but then again, the Church says that isn’t so.

Angels in fact have “a spiritual body” and can appear as material beings (or so I’ve heard) but this is not God’s case because He is infinite.

But the problem I have** is the Church-approved Eugenia Ravasio apparition.**

It is said that God The Father appeared to her with a body, and even told her* to sit next to Him*.

How can this be?

Aren’t we supposed to believe that Jesus is the only Divine Person who has appeared to us with human shape?

So, how these Apparitions fit in the Church’s Doctrine ?*

For more info on these apparitions you can visit:

circleofprayer.com/the-father-speaks-Mother-Eugenia.html

• the same webpage contains a Bishop’s commentary and refers something of a thomistic distinction between “apparition” and “mission” that seems to be the explanation for everything, but again, I don’t understand what that is about. You can read that in here: ttp://www.circleofprayer.com/the-father-speaks-testimony.html

Dear readers of this thread:

I can’t believe how blind I was.

It’s so easy to understand this issue once you accept the obvious fact God is Infinite, hence no one can “see Him” even if you see a manifestation of Him !

I’m sorry I stole your time with such a dumb question.

Thanks for the feedback anyway !

 

[Ferdinand_Mary]

This thread has served it’s purpose, and is now closed.

Thanks to all who participated.

Mane Nobiscum Domine,
Ferdinand Mary