God is greater than our sins, pope says at general audience

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VATICAN CITY (CNS) — The power of God’s forgiveness “is greater than our sins,” Pope Francis said.

Christians have “the certainty that he will never abandon us,” the pope said at his weekly general audience in St. Peter’s Square March 30.

“If you fall into sin, stand up! When a child falls, what does he do? He raises his hand to his mother or father to help him up,” the pope said. “Raise your hand and God will help you; this is the dignity of God’s forgiveness.”

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God bless Pope Francis!

Jim
 
The Book of Ecclesiasticus

5:6 And say not: The mercy of the Lord is great, he will have mercy on the multitude of my sins.

5:7 For mercy and wrath quickly come from him, and his wrath looketh upon sinners.
 
Matthew7:11

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Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.f
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For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.g
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Which one of you would hand his son a stone when he asks for a loaf of bread,*
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or a snake when he asks for a fish?
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If you then, who are wicked, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give good things to those who ask him.
 
The Book of Ecclesiasticus

5:6 And say not: The mercy of the Lord is great, he will have mercy on the multitude of my sins.

5:7 For mercy and wrath quickly come from him, and his wrath looketh upon sinners.
Not sure what your point is here ?

It appears you’re misinterpreting these verses by not reading them in the entire context of the chapter which they come from.

Also, keep in mind the Ecclesiastes is Old Testament, which is from Tribal Theology of the Jews of that time.

They believed God was vengeful and sought to punish anyone who got out of line.

Jesus showed that this was flawed theology.

God is merciful and as St Paul wrote, God is love.

Jim
 
Not sure what your point is here ?

It appears you’re misinterpreting these verses by not reading them in the entire context of the chapter which they come from.

Also, keep in mind the Ecclesiastes is Old Testament, which is from Tribal Theology of the Jews of that time.

They believed God was vengeful and sought to punish anyone who got out of line.

Jesus showed that this was flawed theology.

God is merciful and as St Paul wrote, God is love.

Jim
I was going to write more but my daughter needed me and I had to walk away, I had already posted the verses.

God is merciful if we are sorry for our sins and ask for His forgiveness. If we do not repent we will not go to heaven and receive our reward, the alternative is punishment, not because of vengefulness but because we chose sin over His ways.

When I pray the Rosary I always say this prayer from our Lady of Fatima

" O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell. Lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy.:"
 
I was going to write more but my daughter needed me and I had to walk away, I had already posted the verses.

God is merciful if we are sorry for our sins and ask for His forgiveness. If we do not repent we will not go to heaven and receive our reward, the alternative is punishment, not because of vengefulness but because we chose sin over His ways.

When I pray the Rosary I always say this prayer from our Lady of Fatima

" O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell. Lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy.:"
I too am not sure why you posted it though. The words from Sirach don’t nullify anything the Pope said, nor what Christ taught us about the mercy and love of God. Fear of God is healthy, yes, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t also hope and trust in peace in the Lord. 🙂
 
God is merciful if we are sorry for our sins and ask for His forgiveness. If we do not repent we will not go to heaven and receive our reward, the alternative is punishment, not because of vengefulness but because we chose sin over His ways.
We don’t know the vastness of God’s mercy.

A person who does not repent, could go to heaven because of God’s mercy, and God knowing that they were ignorant of their own sins.

I caution as to who doesn’t go to heaven, because we don’t have the mind of God.

We are blessed in knowing our sins and knowing God’s mercy in Jesus Christ.

The only sin we could make is rejecting God while having this knowledge.

Remember, knowledge requires more than just some person telling you.

True knowledge comes from God’s grace, not from our own rationalization.

Jim
 
We don’t know the vastness of God’s mercy.

A person who does not repent, could go to heaven because of God’s mercy, and God knowing that they were ignorant of their own sins.

I caution as to who doesn’t go to heaven, because we don’t have the mind of God.

We are blessed in knowing our sins and knowing God’s mercy in Jesus Christ.

The only sin we could make is rejecting God while having this knowledge.

Remember, knowledge requires more than just some person telling you.

True knowledge comes from God’s grace, not from our own rationalization.

Jim
I agree, but what I am seeing in many new publications from Catholic sources is the rejection of the belief in sin. I do not know who wrote the article but it said, sin in our Scriptures, is about separating, then it implied that we should not sin by thinking this way, and that we should not fear God because of God’s merciful love. It is a twisted and worrisome message.

God has set out His laws for us to obey for our own good. When we choose His ways we will be happier and receive our reward, maybe not in this life, but in Heaven. If not, we will face His judgement. We do not know how He will judge us. He loves us and we know this because Jesus was sent to this world for us and Jesus offered Himself as a sacrifice for our sins, but we must be sorry for our sins and ask for forgiveness. We can ask God to have mercy on us and forgive us because of His Son’s sacrifice, and we must do this in prayer. We can also go to the Mother of Christ and ask her to pray for us. We separate ourselves from God when we sin and must ask for forgiveness, and then if God so chooses, in His Wisdom, His mercy will be given to us.
 
I agree, but what I am seeing in many new publications from Catholic sources is the rejection of the belief in sin. I do not know who wrote the article but it said, sin in our Scriptures, is about separating, then it implied that we should not sin by thinking this way, and that we should not fear God because of God’s merciful love. It is a twisted and worrisome message.

God has set out His laws for us to obey for our own good. When we choose His ways we will be happier and receive our reward, maybe not in this life, but in Heaven. If not, we will face His judgement. We do not know how He will judge us. He loves us and we know this because Jesus was sent to this world for us and Jesus offered Himself as a sacrifice for our sins, but we must be sorry for our sins and ask for forgiveness. We can ask God to have mercy on us and forgive us because of His Son’s sacrifice, and we must do this in prayer. We can also go to the Mother of Christ and ask her to pray for us. We separate ourselves from God when we sin and must ask for forgiveness, and then if God so chooses, in His Wisdom, His mercy will be given to us.
There have been two schools of teaching through out history and some are rooted in Old Testament teaching from a literal standpoint, others from the New Testament as taught by Jesus Christ and St Paul.

First off, the true definition of “sin,” from the theological standpoint, is to miss the mark. The analogy of an archer aiming for his target, but misses. This is sin. We strive to do good, but miss the mark. It gives us a different idea of the meaning of sin.

For centuries the Church taught that God is a tyrannical God, looking to throw sinners into eternal damnation, while those with the stronger will-power, He reward. This is hardly the God Jesus taught us about.

Even the OP of this thread, Pope Francis is telling us that God is greater than our sins, and will forgive the repentant sinner and show him mercy. Why are we resisting this ?

The Bible is more about God’s mercy and forgiveness than about his wrath, but most Christians, especially Catholics, are stuck on God’s wrath and that there will be very few Catholics who go to heaven, even devote Catholics. For them, there is no joy of salvation, but anguish that they’ll never hit the mark.

Pope John Paul II said that God does not send anyone to hell, souls go there on their own because they reject God. He too taught that God is merciful.

God’s laws, are laws of goodness rather than orders to obey.

We are free when we obey God’s laws and what are the two greatest laws Jesus gave us ?

Jesus said to love God with your whole being and your neighbor as yourself. This is the summation of the ten commandments which we need to examine ourselves against.

Christianity isn’t about sin management, its about our relational love with Jesus Christ.

Christianity evolves, which is why we no longer burn heretics or give plenary indulgences for those who volunteer to go to war against infidels.

So, when you say you see Catholic publications not teaching about sin, they’re probably teaching the proper attitude about what sin is, but also what forgiveness is.

Jim
 
So, when you say you see Catholic publications not teaching about sin, they’re probably teaching the proper attitude about what sin is, but also what forgiveness is.

Jim
I am aware of the new thinking being promoted by our church on sin and forgiveness. Thank you for your reply, but I am of the old belief and I choose to stick with it.
 
I am aware of the new thinking being promoted by our church on sin and forgiveness. Thank you for your reply, but I am of the old belief and I choose to stick with it.
Its actually not new, but the way Christianity was taught by the Apostles.

Jim
 
Its actually not new, but the way Christianity was taught by the Apostles.

Jim
They also taught us about the dangers of the last days.
2 Timothy
Chapter 3
3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their’s also was.
 
They also taught us about the dangers of the last days.
Some say they thought this way because they thought the 2nd coming of Christ would happen in their own lifetime.

However, the situation we’re in right now, doesn’t look good, especially after the baby boomers are gone, which will only take another 15-20 years.

The young generations are not seeking God, but living lives accepting all sorts of immorality.

Jim
 
Some say they thought this way because they thought the 2nd coming of Christ would happen in their own lifetime.

However, the situation we’re in right now, doesn’t look good, especially after the baby boomers are gone, which will only take another 15-20 years.

The young generations are not seeking God, but living lives accepting all sorts of immorality.

Jim
Could this be because no one is teaching them about sin anymore? All they hear is preaching about tolerance and love from the church. I think this is wrong, but this is just my opinion, not everyone will agree.
 
There have been two schools of teaching through out history and some are rooted in Old Testament teaching from a literal standpoint, others from the New Testament as taught by Jesus Christ and St Paul.

First off, the true definition of “sin,” from the theological standpoint, is to miss the mark. The analogy of an archer aiming for his target, but misses. This is sin. We strive to do good, but miss the mark. It gives us a different idea of the meaning of sin.

For centuries the Church taught that God is a tyrannical God, looking to throw sinners into eternal damnation, while those with the stronger will-power, He reward. This is hardly the God Jesus taught us about.

Even the OP of this thread, Pope Francis is telling us that God is greater than our sins, and will forgive the repentant sinner and show him mercy. Why are we resisting this ?

The Bible is more about God’s mercy and forgiveness than about his wrath, but most Christians, especially Catholics, are stuck on God’s wrath and that there will be very few Catholics who go to heaven, even devote Catholics. For them, there is no joy of salvation, but anguish that they’ll never hit the mark.

Pope John Paul II said that God does not send anyone to hell, souls go there on their own because they reject God. He too taught that God is merciful.

God’s laws, are laws of goodness rather than orders to obey.

We are free when we obey God’s laws and what are the two greatest laws Jesus gave us ?

Jesus said to love God with your whole being and your neighbor as yourself. This is the summation of the ten commandments which we need to examine ourselves against.

Christianity isn’t about sin management, its about our relational love with Jesus Christ.

Christianity evolves, which is why we no longer burn heretics or give plenary indulgences for those who volunteer to go to war against infidels.

So, when you say you see Catholic publications not teaching about sin, they’re probably teaching the proper attitude about what sin is, but also what forgiveness is.

Jim
It’s imperative to not get tangled in catchy phrases, and their subsequent rationale/interpretations, that could eventually lead us to confusions about the faith. The Church is indeed much, much more that.

It is a fact the Church teaches evil/Satan exists. Satan tempted us, the saints, and even Christ Himself. Satan wants us. But God loves us, and wants us to choose freely choose Him. Let’s not be mistaken. This battle of God vs Satan is still raging on, and has not changed. In the aftermath of the original sin committed by Adam and Eve, we became broken. We need Christ and His Church to heal our broken pieces. It is true that the theological definition of sin is “missing the mark.” But we need to guard ourselves against our own impulses of diminishing, or denying, sin itself. Archbishop Sheen once said: “To deny sin is to deny God.” I am certain that not all of us “strive to be good, but miss the mark (sin).” It would be virtually impossible to me to comprehend or accept people like Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, the mass murders, and so many more strived to be good and missed the mark. The evil acts committed by these individuals remind us all that Satan (sin) is alive and well.

Throughout history, the Church has always taught love, humility, mercy, repentance and forgiveness. Any implications or suggestions, that the Church at one time or another ignored or abandoned them, are just plain wrong. We just simply did not wake up one day recently, and were surprised on the newly found concepts of love, humility, mercy and forgiveness. The lives of the saints indeed verified that. These concepts were embedded in the doctrines of the Church. The whole world needs the Church. The blood of the martyrs further testified to these facts.

To say that: “For centuries the Church taught that God is a tyrannical God, looking to throw sinners into eternal damnation, while those with the stronger will-power, He reward.” is quite misleading in my view. I see no where in Church doctrines, or sacraments, that teach God is a tyrannical God. I would agree that there were periods of time in history that priests and bishops were advocating, and teaching, such position, and positions of exclusion. These people were wrong. In the teaching of the Church throughout history, the Church has always been for all peoples in all nations. All are sinners.

I am uncomfortable with the term “Christianity evolves”. Jesus does not change. Church doctrines don’t change. God continues to reveal Himself in the Church throughout time, and the Church embraces these revelations as part of its doctrines. There were countless actions and decisions of church officials throughout history that were in fact contrary to the doctrines of the Church. The Church in time corrects these mistakes, and correctly asks for forgiveness when needed.
 
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