God is known by intelligent thinking on logic and facts

[Gary_Sheldrake]

There is only one problem with your opinion, Gary, but it’s insurmountable. Your own position - that all beliefs have exactly the same degree of credibility - cannot be defended to any conclusive degree!

Do you believe materialism, for example, - or deism - is as equally cogent as theism?

Good Evening Tonyrey: What I think I said was that my observation is that all belief systems have failed to outright prove the other wrong. I have my own leanings, but is this because I have access to information that the other camps don’t have, or am I in the sway of cultural and experiential factors and their attending psychological dispositions or needs? I don’t know. But I’m pretty certain that the long range outcome will be that eventually all of humanity will have one general understanding of the nature of our existence and of God, and I think that understanding will satisfy deists, atheists and all stripes in between. While I think the answers will be relatively simple and right there in front of us the whole time, they just won’t be what most people on either side have been expecting. I think it’ll be a lot better than what we expected. It may take some of us longer to let our withered leaves loose, but when we do it’ll make room for a true blossoming of not just humanity, but all creatures. That said, and as a disclaimer, I wouldn’t pretend to know the particulars.

 

[Gary_Sheldrake]

The OP took a long time to say nothing. All he said was ‘it is based on logic and facts’, but never explained or developed that. He repeated that over and over.

I think the whole discussion of whether God exists is distorted because it treats the question as if I am irrelevant. It attempts to put it into scientific terms, which means I am not a part of the equation. I must be an objective observer. But the only way the question makes any sense is if I consider it subjectively as part of the system. As long as I consider the existence of everything else apart from myself I can easily explain it away, but as soon as I have to explain myself and the fact that I am even asking the question it becomes a little more complicated. So the question of ‘does God exist’ is more related to my own existence than it is to the existence of the world around me. The question doesn’t even make sense if I am not in the equation. Why would I even ask it?

Good morning Jimmy: I agree. Explaining ourselves is the complicated part.

 

[oldcelt]

There is a big difference between absolute and relative certainty. Are you absolutely certain deism is closer to the truth than theism?

Both believe in God, so the only major difference is the interaction issue. Theists believe that God interacts and intervenes with His creation, Deists do not and I am comfortably certain of that through my own observations. Absolute certainty is too lofty a goal for me when I am talking about something as amazing as God.