"God is Love" vs. "love is of God"?

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What does the Catholic Church believe about the nature of God? Does it teach that God actually is Love, or that divine love is one of many attributes of God? When scripture speaks about God’s wrath, does this mean that Love itself is angry, or rather that the attribute of wrath has temporarily displaced love?
 
What does the Catholic Church believe about the nature of God? Does it teach that God actually is Love, or that divine love is one of many attributes of God? When scripture speaks about God’s wrath, does this mean that Love itself is angry, or rather that the attribute of wrath has temporarily displaced love?
God is the source of love.to love a wife or to love a husband it must be Christ centered.Otherways you have a selfish type of love.And nobody can be really happy with that.We know that in pleasing God we are only truely happy.Whether were married or whatever.God’s wrath is really not anger but is used to stress His unhappiness towards man not responding to His love.
 
What does the Catholic Church believe about the nature of God? Does it teach that God actually is Love, or that divine love is one of many attributes of God? When scripture speaks about God’s wrath, does this mean that Love itself is angry, or rather that the attribute of wrath has temporarily displaced love?
I think you are creating a dichotomy where one does not need to exist.

The Church teaches that God is Love and that Love is an attribute of God simply stating the answer to your question.

God is love and all that God does is out of His essence, His love.

Now God’s wrath, to understand that you need to understand God’s Justice. As much as God is a loving God, He is Perfect in all attributes, and that includes Justice. His wrath does not displace His love.

How can I explain knowing that any situation that I can think of will fall infintely short of God?

Imagine if you are a parent and you are going to go out of town for the weekend. And before leaving you tell Jr, do not have a party while I am gone. If you do, you will be punished. Well you get back after the weekend, and the house is trashed. Now you may feel angry, even wrathful, but at no time do you quit loving your son. Yet, your son will be punished, but punished in love.

It’s sort of like this with God.

God bless.
 
I think you are creating a dichotomy where one does not need to exist.

The Church teaches that God is Love and that Love is an attribute of God simply stating the answer to your question.

God is love and all that God does is out of His essence, His love.

Now God’s wrath, to understand that you need to understand God’s Justice. As much as God is a loving God, He is Perfect in all attributes, and that includes Justice. His wrath does not displace His love.

How can I explain knowing that any situation that I can think of will fall infintely short of God?

Imagine if you are a parent and you are going to go out of town for the weekend. And before leaving you tell Jr, do not have a party while I am gone. If you do, you will be punished. Well you get back after the weekend, and the house is trashed. Now you may feel angry, even wrathful, but at no time do you quit loving your son. Yet, your son will be punished, but punished in love.

It’s sort of like this with God.

God bless.
This was exactly as our parish priest explained it to my partner when she didnt understand.
 
This was exactly as our parish priest explained it to my partner when she didnt understand.
Wow, I would say your parish priest is right on the money. Some of this explanation I have gotten from my Spiritual Director and prayer.

I hope that your partner did come to an understanding. 🙂

God bless.
 
I think you are creating a dichotomy where one does not need to exist.

The Church teaches that God is Love and that Love is an attribute of God simply stating the answer to your question.

God is love and all that God does is out of His essence, His love.

Now God’s wrath, to understand that you need to understand God’s Justice. As much as God is a loving God, He is Perfect in all attributes, and that includes Justice. His wrath does not displace His love.

How can I explain knowing that any situation that I can think of will fall infintely short of God?

Imagine if you are a parent and you are going to go out of town for the weekend. And before leaving you tell Jr, do not have a party while I am gone. If you do, you will be punished. Well you get back after the weekend, and the house is trashed. Now you may feel angry, even wrathful, but at no time do you quit loving your son. Yet, your son will be punished, but punished in love.

It’s sort of like this with God.

God bless.
Thanks to those who have replied!

Little One0307, I understand that there is a necessity for wrath and judgement; I don’t believe that “God is Love” excludes these. It reminds me of the Elie Wiesel quote, “The opposite of love is not hate, it is indifference”. A god who was indifferent to sin could not be just or loving. Also, I know that any explanation will fall infinitely short of describing an infiite God.

Are you saying that God is** Love, the essence of love, and not only the source of love? Is God the essence of Love to a degree that he is not equivalently the essence of holiness or wrath apart from love, but that love is primary and must inform all other attributes?

I am asking mainly because of a (protestant) sermon whose keyphrase was, “Love is God in essence; God is not love in essence.” The emphasis seemed to be on the equality of all of God’s attributes, none being the ONE attribute that informed all others (except maybe Holiness). I think it was spoken mainly as a warning for people who might say, “God is love, so he won’t punish me”.

Sorry to be dense, but in my mind there is a massive gulf between “God is Love” and “Love is God in essence (because love can only come from God), but God is not Love in essence.” I am trying to reconcile myself to the truth, whatever it is, but I have a mental block.
 
It seems that Love must be primary in order for the Church to say that God is Love; otherwise she would say God is loving, and leave it at that. I have never heard anyone stress that God is Justice, God is Holiness, etc., even though He certainly is just and holy. Am I making sense yet? 😃
 
Are you saying that God is** Love, the essence of love, and not only the source of love? Is God the essence of Love to a degree that he is not equivalently the essence of holiness or wrath apart from love, but that love is primary and must inform all other attributes?
What I am saying is That God is Love and because God is the source of all things, then Love, which is God is the source of all things. It is God’s Love, which is God that created all things. We were created for love, in love and out of love.

Okay, we are going to be hitting some pretty heavy stuff here. This is taken from the Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma by Dr. Ludwig Ott. The following is a De Fide doctrine, this may help better to explain things better than I can do.

I am going to lay a bit of a foundation before laying down the De Fide doctrine.

The attributes or properties of God [which Love would be one] are perfections which, according to our analogical mode of thinking, proceed from the metaphysical substance of God and belong to it. Hence, we only know being of the absolutely simple Divine Substance “in part” [1 Cor 13:9], ie.e in a multiplicity of inadeqaute concepts, by which we know individual perfections of God truly but inadequately.

The Divine Attributes are really identical among themseves and with the Divine Essence. [De Fide]

The reason lies in the absolute simplicity of God. The acceptance of a real distinction would lead to acceptance of a compsition in God, and with that to a dissolution of the Godhead…

[skipping a few paragraphs]

Holy Scripture inidcates the idenity of the Essence and the attributes of God, when it says “God is Charity” [John 4:8] St. Augustine teaches Quod habet, hoc est - “What God has, that He is.”

Okay here’s another De Fide doctrine.

God is absolutely simple [De Fide]

Two things I mean here.
  1. God is pure spirit, that is GOd is neither a body nor a composition of body and spirit.
  2. [This one I am interested in this thread] God is an absolutely simple spirit, that is, in God there is no composition of any kind, of substance, or accidents, of essence and existence, of nature and person, of power and activity, of passivity and activity, of genus and specific difference.
God is absolute Benignity [De Fide]

God’s benignity reveals itself in that He bestows on created things countless gifts in the natrual and supernatural order, and thus permits them to particpate in His goodness [creation, preservation, providence, redemption, sanctification.]
I am asking mainly because of a (protestant) sermon whose keyphrase was, “Love is God in essence; God is not love in essence.” The emphasis seemed to be on the equality of all of God’s attributes, none being the ONE attribute that informed all others (except maybe Holiness). I think it was spoken mainly as a warning for people who might say, “God is love, so he won’t punish me”.
What is wrong with this is that it does away with some key passages in Scripture. For example the passages in 1 John where it says God is Love. Or God is Light. That is his essence and also what He is or does. I can understand where he is coming from, but it is not theologically correct.

You see if there was an attirbute that would inform or override the others it would go against His Divine Simplicity. All His Attritbutes are equal.

Here’s a De Fide that blew me away this morning, I want to share it with you.

God is actually infinite in every perfection. [De Fide]

I can’t wrap my mind around this. I am just floored.

I hope this helps.

God bless.
 
It seems that Love must be primary in order for the Church to say that God is Love; otherwise she would say God is loving, and leave it at that. I have never heard anyone stress that God is Justice, God is Holiness, etc., even though He certainly is just and holy. Am I making sense yet? 😃
Yet that is true. God is Justice in its absolute perfection. God is Holiness in its absolute perfection. We are called to be Holy as He is Holy. How Holy is God, he is infinitely perfectly Holy.

Yes you are.

God bless.
 
=anodos;8202325]What does the Catholic Church believe about the nature of God? Does it teach that God actually is Love, or that divine love is one of many attributes of God? When scripture speaks about God’s wrath, does this mean that Love itself is angry, or rather that the attribute of wrath has temporarily displaced love?
BOTH without seperation:thumbsup: :)!

Certainly “love,” JUST Love, can and SHOULD display disatifaction with evil, with sin, with lack of charity.

God Bless,
Pat
 
Thank you so much, Little One0307! Your explanation cleared away some confusion. I think I had a vague idea of some of the points you made, such as the absolute simplicity of God, but not enough to make much sense of it. Thanks also to Chatter163 for the link to the encyclical, I’ve read part of it, will read more later.
 
Thank you so much, Little One0307! Your explanation cleared away some confusion. I think I had a vague idea of some of the points you made, such as the absolute simplicity of God, but not enough to make much sense of it. Thanks also to Chatter163 for the link to the encyclical, I’ve read part of it, will read more later.
Anodos,

You are more than welcome, I am blessed to have been able to help you.

If you need some explanation of the simplicity of God let me know. What part of it is confusing? There was a fuller explanation from the book I quoted, if you need I can post that full explanation in this post as well or PM it to you, your perference. Just let me know either as an update in this post or a PM.

If you have any questions about what I posted, by all means ask them. You help me grow in my faith by doing this as well.

God bless.
 
Anodos,

You are more than welcome, I am blessed to have been able to help you.

If you need some explanation of the simplicity of God let me know. What part of it is confusing? There was a fuller explanation from the book I quoted, if you need I can post that full explanation in this post as well or PM it to you, your perference. Just let me know either as an update in this post or a PM.

If you have any questions about what I posted, by all means ask them. You help me grow in my faith by doing this as well.

God bless.
Hello! Sorry for the late reply; I did not realize that the thread had been active since my last post.

I inferred from my Protestant upbringing that God could not love us and be righteous at the same time, so he “cheated” justice by dying for us in order to give Himself grounds to love us. Even then it ultimately isn’t us whom he loves, but Christ who died. Love and Justice were always presented as polar opposites. I didn’t understand why cheating justice could be just. I still don’t understand the Redemption, but I am willing to understand, so hopefully I will someday.

I learned that God is simple while skimming books about the Talmud. In my paraphrase, an ancient rabbi is said to have taught his disciples that “God is so simple, it is impossible to understand or explain Him.” At that time I had encountered few Christian resources that contained that kind of depth, and the non-Catholic Christians who DID seem deep were considered a little “off” or even dangerous by other Protestants in my experience, and Catholicism was definitely viewed as dangerous. I didn’t know which insights could be trusted, and now I have so much to learn; I’m sure I’m very muddle-headed.

I don’t have further questions for now, thanks for offering! 🙂 I will check out Dr. Ludwig Ott someday.
 
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