God is not all good

[ready]

Sin of the fathers passed down to the third generation, so to speak. Not to agree or to disagree but I can see the point now in context to your post.

I really couldn’t see this in the part of your sentence on malnutrition and dehydration in the context of suffering. I saw this alleviation of suffering as your main point because you mention mercy in the second sentence. It just wasn’t clear to me.

It seems now that it wasn’t your main point to take the children due to suffering alone. Thank you for clarification.

You’re welcome! and thanks for understanding.

 

[SanctusEnigma40]

matahari:

What are your thoughts on God sacrificing his Beloved Son to save you from your sins and from eternal punishment ?

Absolutely awesome, beautiful, and loving thing to do. Indescribable beautiful and awe-inspiring thing for God of the New testament to do. BUT… WHy is He Butchering Babies and commanding His people to Butcher babies in the Old testament? Are we even talking about the same guy?
One Loves you so much that send his Only begotten Son to die for you, the Other one Butcher Babies himself or send His people to Butcher babies! What a contrast!

I have repeated many times my challenge for anyone to come up with a good harmonization of this and so far no one have come with any remotely possible that can explain this very two contrasting views of God.

Old testament: Cruel, Ruthless, Bloody, Vindictive, Jealous, Short Fused and Quick to Anger.

New testament: Merciful, Forgiving, Long Suffering, Slow to Anger.

SO Far, I am still waiting for a good explanation of why your God (as described in the Bible) is so contrastingly different.

It is as though we are not talking about the same guy.

Is God having Multiple personality disorder??

YOu have failed miserably to answer this, and every one that have posted so far in this forum too.

Now Don’t Get upset and please provide a good explanation for this! I cannot wait for a good answer to come from you or anyone else!
O'Malley:

The flood, the eradication of Sodom and Gomorra, the killing of Egypt’s firstborn, the slaying of the Canaanites – women children and animals – I believe were necessary acts in order that a remnant of the Jewish culture survives to receive Jesus’ message with faith.

You are saying all this killings were necessary for God to accomplish the survival of the Jewish Culture? SO all this Murder, Bloody Killings, Mayhem, Killing and Butchering of Babies, Barbarisms and Atrocities were Necessary? So you are saying that God couldn’t have handled any other way? He is GOD! you remember! the Guy that is all Powerful and Have every power in the universe to handle any situation any way He Wishes.

He could have performed Any Miracle at His disposal to dissuade any opposing army in the know world at that time. HE could have done anything that will make any opposing army tremble at their feet and repent in ashes and even convert to Him.

SO, your theory is that the God almighty ran out of options and He had no other alternative that to resort to Genocide, Ethnic Cleansing, Innumerable Atrocities, Butchering of Babies, Unspeakable acts of cruelty, and so on so forth!

Are you serious? SO the God Almighty run out of option? SOMEHOW I don’t think so!
I find myself unable to buy your theory! Your God then is not really Almighty, or if He is then He is Evil (Until he decides to take His heavenly meds and his personality changes back to that of a Good, Long-suffering, and Merciful God!)

You have to try better. This Explanation is not cutting it for me.

ready:

What was God supposed to do? let the innocent babies live while killing their parents and leave them to die a slow torturous death in their cribs from dehydration and malnutrition and sores from not being changed?

Dear Mr ready.

This argument is very weak, and even laughable. You mean that God the Almighty is not capable of handling this situation better, so the only thing He could do was to butcher the Babies? SINCE WHEN GOD ran out of good ideas? Was He not Almighty on the Old Testament times?
The Parent are being Evil, so He says to Himself: “Gee… I need to kill the Parents because they are being very evil, so I need to wipe them out, but wait a second, what should I do with the babies…??? I don’t know! What do you think Gabriel, any ideas???No? I do not have any ideas either! How about you Son or Holy Spirit, any ideas?? No?
Well, I am out of Ideas too, so I guess the only thing to do is just BUTCHER THE BABIES WITH THEIR PARENTS!! It’s the only sensible thing to do, because other wise the poor babies will die in the Dessert by Hunger of diper rash, so the most Merciful thing I can do is to Butcher them!”

Are you serious Mr. ready?? I guess you are.

I’ll give you a few ideas I can think on the top of my head that God could have done, since , as I am sure you remember, God is suppose to be Almighty:

1. Make the babies disappear and appear in other families in the world so that other families in the world could take care of them.
2. Send Angels to take the babies away to be raised somewhere else in the world.
3. Make the Woman on this evil tribes Barren so that this last generation will not have babies by the time He decided to command the people of Israel to utterly destroy them.
4. Command the Soldiers to destroy everyone, but to spare the babies and the children, so that the people of israel will raise them as their own in the fear of the Lord.

I am sure you and other people who read this can think of many other things God could have done to avoid resorting to this atrocities. Remember we are not talking about a Human King Here. If God was a lowly Human King, then I might agree that this will be the only thing that could be done in a situation like this.

But We are talking Here about that God ALmighty, Creator of the Universe, who has all the power and might at his fingertips, and that there is nothing difficult for Him!

With all God’s Might and Power, He could have handle the situyation in a way that HE will not have to resort to Butcher Babies.

My Point is still in the Table and so far NOBODY in this forum has answered it yet to my satisfaction.

GOD is not Justify in killing the Innocent, and Butchering Babies!

There must be a better explanation that what you and so many others have been bringing Here so far. This verses have to have a better explanation.

 

[o_mlly]

You are saying all this killings were necessary for God to accomplish the survival of the Jewish Culture? SO all this Murder, Bloody Killings, Mayhem, Killing and Butchering of Babies, Barbarisms and Atrocities were Necessary? So you are saying that God couldn’t have handled any other way? He is GOD! you remember! the Guy that is all Powerful and Have every power in the universe to handle any situation any way He Wishes.

He could have performed Any Miracle at His disposal to dissuade any opposing army in the know world at that time. HE could have done anything that will make any opposing army tremble at their feet and repent in ashes and even convert to Him.

SO, your theory is that the God almighty ran out of options and He had no other alternative that to resort to Genocide, Ethnic Cleansing, Innumerable Atrocities, Butchering of Babies, Unspeakable acts of cruelty, and so on so forth!

Are you serious? SO the God Almighty run out of option? SOMEHOW I don’t think so!
I find myself unable to buy your theory! Your God then is not really Almighty, or if He is then He is Evil (Until he decides to take His heavenly meds and his personality changes back to that of a Good, Long-suffering, and Merciful God!)

You have to try better. This Explanation is not cutting it for me.

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You are not reading the posts very well. When God takes a life it is not murder.

Didn’t he dissuade the Egyptians from pursuing the Isreaelites into the desert?

Didn’t he dissuade all the other city-states in Caanan to be tolerant of the Jewish presence? ( Not all Canaanite cultures were destroyed.)

As to miracles of conversion, God loves us so much He will not violate His gift to mankind of free will. He calls us to communion but we must answer freely. Are you not called?

Finally, I don’t think I have to “try better” rather it is you. How is it that you as a lowly creature think that you can judge your Creator? Only because a loving Creator allows it.

Peace,
O’Malley

 

[matahari]

I’m bowing out ogf this argument at this point as I think Satan has got himself a platform.

 

[SanctusEnigma40]

O'Malley:

When God takes a life it is not murder.

You are the one who is not reading right!
I said numerous times that I do not have any problem with God taking lives.

However, the question you are avoiding to answer, is the very one I have been asking all along:
Why is God in the Old Testament so Vindictive, Blood Thirsty, Short Fused, Cruel, Unmerciful, Belligerent, and capable of committing unspeakable atrocities such as Genocide and Ethnic Cleansing, and Butchering of babies??

And YES, When God personally Butcher the innocent and/or commands his people to Butcher the innocent, then God is committing MURDER!

There is no way around this! If God is Butchering Babies, then He is committing Murder!, plain and simple.

Now, maybe, just maybe, all this atrocities attributed to God in the Old testament are just the writings of Barbaric tribes, that are trying to justify their cruel ways by atributing them to god, and therefore they should not be believe to be true (therefore getting the real God off the hook)

Or, Maybe, just maybe, all this atrocities are not meant to be taken literally. In which case, God is not a Murderer, and is not guilty of any of this Cruel Acts of Murder. If this is the case, that will also be a satisfactory answer, as long as anyone can explain the symbolic meaning, or allegorical meaning of the passages.

NOW, having said that, if you keep insisting that GOD in fact is responsible literally for this Atrocities and Cruel acts of Murder, like Butchering Babies, then YES, GOD IS a CRUEL and Bloody Murderer!

If I end up in Hell for believing this, then so be it! If you want to call me SATAN of worse for saying this, then is OK with me. IF you want to go ahead and insult me for standing for what is obviously true, then go ahead, but I will repeat it again:

GOD is not Justify in Murdering and Butchering Babies! He is not Justify in Murdering the Innocent!

matahari:

I’m bowing out ogf this argument at this point as I think Satan has got himself a platform.

I couldn’t agree more Mr. matahari, I think you should stay out of this argument, since your arguments are very, very weak, and have not contributed so far to get a millimeter closer to anything resembling an answer.
And, No, I am not offended that you call me Satan. I have been called much worse for daring to ask the difficult questions. If you ever think of an answer for this question and want to contribute anything other than calling me Satan, then feel free to jump in. I will be happy to hear what you have to say. Until then, you are right in staying away from this discussion Forum.

crenfro:

Listen to Father Corapi. Get his talks. He has a Ph.D. on this issue.

Fine! where can i listen to him? I do not know who this Father Corapi is! Can you send me a link? I will love to hear what he has to say about this!

Also if he already has the answer, and you are convinced by his argument, don’t be shy and feel free to jump in and share with all of us, in your own words. I am sure is not only me wanting to have a good answer for this, but most,if not all, of the catholics in this forum, since no one so far has been able to come up with a satisfactory answer so far for this question!
Hope to hear from you, and please send me a link so I can hear him.

 

[SanctusEnigma40]

O'Malley:

Finally, I don’t think I have to “try better” rather it is you. How is it that you as a lowly creature think that you can judge your Creator? Only because a loving Creator allows it.

Yes, Mr. O’Malley, you have to try better, because your argument is very weak.
Yes I am a lowly creature, but i am not the one that is insisting that God literally committed this Evil actions. You are the one insisting that God in fact Murdered and Butchered babies, but fail to provide a justification for it.

I, on the other hand, am trying to get an answer that do not have the true God committing such despicable acts upon humanity.

You think you are defending God by saying: “HE did in fact Butchered Babies, but this is a good thing because GOD DID IT! and God cannot not do anything wrong.”

I am saying: If there is such a thing as a Holy God in Heaven, He will be outraged to be imputed of such vile acts as Butchering babies. Maybe the true God is very upset of people like you who do not hesitate to impute such things upon a holy God, and then have the nerve to come and say: “Its Ok because anything that God do is has to be good and Holy.”

I am challenging you to come up with a Justification for God butchering Babies in the Old testament, or come up with a better explanation.

Again: You are the one trying miserably to Justify Murder and Atrocities on God.

I am saying: Far from the true God to have done such things!

Yes, I am again challenging you to come up with a better explanation.

 

[Michael_Francis]

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