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My friend and I saw this movie yesterday and something’s been bothering me ever since. At one point the college professor quotes Stephen Hawking and his belief that the universe created itself from nothing. Can anyone link me to anything written by people qualified after his comments that refutes this belief?
 
My friend and I saw this movie yesterday and something’s been bothering me ever since. At one point the college professor quotes Stephen Hawking and his belief that the universe created itself from nothing. Can anyone link me to anything written by people qualified after his comments that refutes this belief?
edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2010/12/haldane-on-hawking.html

edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2010/12/dreaded-causa-sui.html

firstthings.com/article/2012/06/not-understanding-nothing

dominicanablog.com/2012/10/30/ex-nihilo-aliquid-fit/

insightscoop.typepad.com/2004/2011/05/what-joseph-ratzinger-might-say-to-stephen-hawkings.html

Try these.

Linus2nd
 
Does it really need a refutation? How, apart from God, does something come from nothing?

But if you want a longer, technical answer, I suggest you peruse the materials put out by the Magis Center, and particularly by Fr. Robert J. Spitzer S.J. He is brilliant, educated in the sciences, and is quite familiar with the claims of modern pseudo-science.

In particular you may want to watch this short video:

The Curious Metaphysics of Dr. Stephen Hawking
 
The scientist the student quoted in the movie is a good source: Dr. John Lennox
 
My friend and I saw this movie yesterday and something’s been bothering me ever since. At one point the college professor quotes Stephen Hawking and his belief that the universe created itself from nothing. Can anyone link me to anything written by people qualified after his comments that refutes this belief?
I can refute Hawking’s believe in two ways:
  1. He has been rendered almost unintelligible, the supposed greatest “mind” in existence. Why?
  2. If he has the ultimate answer regarding the existence, or non-existence, of a creator, then he has ALL THE ANSWER and knows EVERYTHING. So why can’t he get up out of that wheelchair?
 
Saying that the universe created itself from nothing is lame as a scientific theory because it can neither be proven nor disproven. The idea of something coming from nothing is illogical and has never been observed. One of the basic laws of the physics is the law of the conservation of mass/energy. If the universe can create itself from nothing, why is it that mass or energy doesn’t spontaneously appear? How is there any such thing as a closed system, which doesn’t let any new energy in?
 
Thanks…but they were all over my head.:o
That’s why it’s called “understanding.” We “stand under” what is most important to know.

We must “look up” what we don’t know because it is “over our heads.”
 
My friend and I saw this movie yesterday and something’s been bothering me ever since. At one point the college professor quotes Stephen Hawking and his belief that the universe created itself from nothing. Can anyone link me to anything written by people qualified after his comments that refutes this belief?
O.K. Then I want to give you some good advice. Some sources of information can be a danger to your faith because they are contrary to Catholic Doctrine and Divine Revelation. No one should ever access these sources unless one is very well educated in the particular discipline and unless one is well schooled in the Catholic Faith and understands it thoroughly and unless one is mature and stable on one’s practice of the Faith.

Not only are these sources opposed to Catholic Doctrine but their principle purpose is to get you to loose your Faith and to keep following them will have that exact result.

Your one object in life is to save your soul. And to do that your one obligation is to know and cling to Divine Revelation and the Teaching of the Catholic Church. And both teach that God created the world, in time, out of nothing. But Hawking is dishonest because his " nothing " is not the absence of all being, his " nogthing " is a " something, " which he admits is only a " near nothing. " But " nothing " in Revelation means absolutely " no being " whatsoever. So Hawking is wrong. Futher more, most of his ideas are little more than highly inflated speculation, they are not science in the genuine sense.

Just ignore you " Professor " when he gets off onto these tangents.

Linus2nd
 
I’m looking forward to seeing this movie. It’s billed as an “atheist’s nightmare,” but from the trailers the only nightmarish thing I can see is that the atheist professor is an unrealistic caricature. Unpleasant, but not real. Like a nightmare.

BTW, Hawking never said that the universe “created itself from nothing.” That’s a fundamental misrepresentation.
 
My friend and I saw this movie yesterday and something’s been bothering me ever since. At one point the college professor quotes Stephen Hawking and his belief that the universe created itself from nothing. Can anyone link me to anything written by people qualified after his comments that refutes this belief?
It is very simple to understand his theory based on two facts, 1) There is no conservation laws in plank regime when universe was so small, 2) There is no causality in that regime since quantum fluctuations always exist and they were dominant in that regime hence something could comes out of nothing. Fortunately his theory could properly explain the current state of subject matter, namely what we observe hence it is robust and cannot be doubt unless one can find an anomaly within. For more information please read here.
 
My friend and I saw this movie yesterday and something’s been bothering me ever since. At one point the college professor quotes Stephen Hawking and his belief that the universe created itself from nothing. Can anyone link me to anything written by people qualified after his comments that refutes this belief?
In Lee Strobel’s The Case for a Creator, he interviewed William Craig. Below are excerpts of the discussion:

*“The standard Big Bang theory can be represented by a cone,” he said, drawing what looked like an empty sugar cone from BaskinRobbins. “The point of the cone represents the beginning of the universe-the singularity where the Big Bang occurred. It’s the beginning point, and it has a sharp edge to it. The expansion of the universe, as it gets older and grows, is represented by the cone’s overall expanding shape.”

“Hawking’s model is like a cone, too, except it doesn’t come to a point.” He drew a picture of what resembled a badminton birdie; instead of coming to a sharp point, the end of the cone was rounded.
“As you can see, there’s no singularity. There’s no sharp edge. If you were to start at the mouth of the cone and go backward in time,” he said, his pencil tracing the long side of the cone, “you would not come back to a beginning point. You would simply follow the curve and suddenly you would find yourself heading forward in time again.”

… it would be like walking northward until you reach the North Pole, and then suddenly, if you keep walking, you find yourself heading south. “There is no beginning and no end no boundaries,” one writer explained. “The universe always was, always is, and always shall be.”

According to Craig, “I think he(Hawkings) has made a philosophical error by thinking that having a beginning entails having a beginning point. And that’s simply not the case,”
…there isn’t any singular point here, but notice this: the universe is still finite in its past. It still has a beginning in the sense that something has a finite past duration.

… it’s also important to note that he is only able to achieve this rounding-off effect by substituting ‘imaginary numbers’ for real numbers in his equations."…“They are multiples of the square root of negative one,”

“In this model, they have the effect of turning time into a dimension of space. The problem is that when imaginary numbers are employed, they’re just computational devices used to grease the equations and get the result the mathematician wants. That’s fine, but when you want to get a real, physical result, you have to convert the imaginary numbers into real ones. But Hawking refuses to convert them. He just keeps everything in the imaginary realm.”
“What happens if you convert the numbers into real ones?”
“Presto, the singularity reappears!” Craig said. "In fact, the singularity is really there the whole time; it’s just hidden behind the device of so-called imaginary time. Hawking concedes this in a subsequent book he co-authored with Roger Penrose.*

Do not worry. There is not a single scientist who has successfully explained where all these stuff/quantum vacuum/energies came from for the Big Bang. Yes, the Big Bang needed stuff to go Bang too! Where did all these stuff came from? Best they could do is to push back or transferred the problem to some other hypothetical worlds i.e. multiverse based upon wishful thinking and nifty maths and hoping for the magic of probability to cause something to happen. The way it is going, it is even more tougher to believe those hypotheses than a simple Intelligent Mind. One needed a religion to believe in those hypotheses.
 
…it is even more tougher to believe those hypotheses than a simple Intelligent Mind.
Where did this “simple Intelligent Mind” come from? Of what is it made? How did this “mind” create the universe? Where is it now, what is it doing? When did it first exist? Why does it exist? How can it be “simple” and yet create an entire universe?

And so on, and so forth, with a myriad of questions to which you do not, and cannot, know the answers.
 
Where did this “simple Intelligent Mind” come from? Of what is it made? How did this “mind” create the universe? Where is it now, what is it doing? When did it first exist? Why does it exist? How can it be “simple” and yet create an entire universe?

And so on, and so forth, with a myriad of questions to which you do not, and cannot, know the answers.
Atheism is a wasteland of creative thought because it does not allow for Creation. 🤷

Atheism is simply Nogod. Every other concept must be tied sooner or later to Nogod.

For example, sacred music, no matter how moving, is not true because it is illusory.

And the singularity point is not true because it starts the universe. Round it off!!! :D;)
 
Where did this “simple Intelligent Mind” come from? Of what is it made? How did this “mind” create the universe? Where is it now, what is it doing? When did it first exist? Why does it exist? How can it be “simple” and yet create an entire universe? . . .
God exists outside of time. He created and maintains time. Time occurs, as all this advances towards its cause, its destination at the end of time.

God said, and it was and is. The Word, in time became flesh, enabling us to join Him in eternal union.

It is simple because it is what it is. When you understand Truth, as complex as it may be to express in thoughts and words, it is simple: He is what He is.

If one is going to claim something, Someone actually, does not exist, one should know a good deal about Him, at least what people say about Him.
He’s actually hard to ignore once you realize He’s here.
 
Atheism is a wasteland of creative thought because it does not allow for Creation. 🤷
I’m not sure how you manage to draw that conclusion - Creation (in the biblical sense) has no relation to creativity.
Atheism is simply Nogod. Every other concept must be tied sooner or later to Nogod.
And every verifiable truth about the universe that has ever been made, has not needed any intervention from gods. So I’d say it’s been a pretty successful approach. “Nogod” is not intrinsically bad, other than to those who arbitrarily say it is… and those people are consistently and embarrassingly unable to offer any objective rationale for such a view.
For example, sacred music, no matter how moving, is not true because it is illusory.
How can music be “true?” Music is not a truth statement, it’s a phenomenon about which people can make value statements - at least in the sense of its emotional impact. So your comment makes no sense.
And the singularity point is not true because it starts the universe. Round it off!!! :D;)
** Sorry, I don’t get what you’re trying to say here.

And none of your eclectic rant is relevant to my post. If you have no answers to my questions, why are you wasting time spouting this nonsense? Do you think it proves something? If so, what? Because currently all you’re doing is confirming my belief that theists can’t stick to simple debating rules. This is the “Gish gallop” through the medium of electrons.**
 
Are you confusing Hawkings with Lawrence Krauss, one of the top theoretical physicists of the world?

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I had Hawkings in mind since he was the one the O.P. mentioned. However, I also disagree with Krauss if he says similar things. I don’t read these people because it is a waste of time.

Lins2nd
 
. . . How can music be “true?” Music is not a truth statement, it’s a phenomenon about which people can make value statements - at least in the sense of its emotional impact. So your comment makes no sense. . .
I think I see where your problem may lie.

I came to realize the existence of God through Beauty and Love.

If you knew it for what It is in Itself, you would know that Beauty, which can be expressed in music, is Truth.
Beauty is not a value judgement; it is not an emotion - it is a fundemental aspect of Reality, the Ground of our being.

The other aspect of Truth is Love; this entire universe emerges from God’s infinite love.
In giving and seeking the well-being of others, we come to know our Creator. You can’t just think this one through.

This may not make sense to you, but there are others who may get what I’m trying to say.
 
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