God may be all in all

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how do we defend Christ equality to the Father when Christ will subdue all to the Father so that God my be all in all 1Corinthians 15:24-28

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I’d say it was a case of Christ submitting to the Father out of perfect love, and as an example to us. But regarding this submission, do the Persons of the Trinity ever disagree? Does the Son ever want something different than the Father wants? That seems impossible to me.
 
yeah, the Triune is hard to … contemplate… especially when
we speak as if it were 3 distinct beings…

but, that being said…

One in being with the Father… Jesus is One with the Father…
Jesus is God…

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Ahimsa:
Christ isn’t equal to the Father.
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oh dear…
 
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Ahimsa:
Christ isn’t equal to the Father.
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well, that would be true for anyone who didn’t believe in the
Triune God…

but, for me, it is true…

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Allow me to clarify. The Father and the Son are equal in some respects (glory, substance), but not equal in others (knowledge, origin). So, as a totality, the characteristics of the Father and the Son do not overlap identically.
 
From the CCC, which speaks of the Father as the source and origin of the other Two Persons, while all three still possess the same substance:

245 The apostolic faith concerning the Spirit was confessed by the second ecumenical council at Constantinople (381): "We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and giver of life, who proceeds from the Father."71 By this confession, the Church recognizes the Father as “the source and origin of the whole divinity”.72 But the eternal origin of the Spirit is not unconnected with the Son’s origin: "The Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity, is God, one and equal with the Father and the Son, of the same substance and also of the same nature.

[254](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/254.htm’)😉 The divine persons are really distinct from one another. "God is one but not solitary."86 “Father”, “Son”, “Holy Spirit” are not simply names designating modalities of the divine being, for they are really distinct from one another: "He is not the Father who is the Son, nor is the Son he who is the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit he who is the Father or the Son."87 They are distinct from one another in their relations of origin: "It is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds."88
 
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Ahimsa:
From the CCC, which speaks of the Father as the source and origin of the other Two Persons, while all three still possess the same substance:

[245](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/245.htm’)😉 The apostolic faith concerning the Spirit was confessed by the second ecumenical council at Constantinople (381): "We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and giver of life, who proceeds from the Father."71 By this confession, the Church recognizes the Father as “the source and origin of the whole divinity”.72 But the eternal origin of the Spirit is not unconnected with the Son’s origin: "The Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity, is God, one and equal with the Father and the Son, of the same substance and also of the same nature.
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is God, one and equal… same…

not 3 separate beings… one

john 1:1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ( the Word = Christ )

john 8:58
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. ( I am = God )

God is not bound by space and time… he can be 3 beings if
he wants… 20… 1000… he can be them at the same time…

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Well, I agree with that. 😃
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lol… 🙂

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The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the "consubstantial Trinity."83 The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves but each of them is God whole and entire: "The Father is that which the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy Spirit is, i.e., by nature one God."84 In the words of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215): "Each of the persons is that supreme reality, viz., the divine substance, essence or nature."85 (( bold is mine… ))

believe me, it’s confusing to me… in every conceivable way… lol

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i guess in the simplest terms i can think of…

God has no origin… thus “I am”…
Jesus is God… so Jesus has no origin… thus… “I am”

so, they could hardly differ in origin…

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