God must have sent me here to clear things up!!!

[rookie12]

I have to clear up a couple of mistakes that catholics and Protestants make when dealing with Church history and especially the early Church fathers. In an earlier post i stated that the two principle products of the reformation (sola scriptura , sola fide) were NEVER TAUGHT FOR ROUGHLY 1500 YEARS. (the way the reformers taught them). I also mentioned that the Eucharist was never taught excusively to be the symbolic representation of Christ—Now here is the mistake—Alot people will quote a father–like Augustine and show that at times he refers to the Eucharist as symbolic—BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN HE TAUGHT THAT IN THE EXCULSIVE SENSE—ONE ONLY NEEDS TO READ AUGUSTINE AND SEE HE ABSOLUTLEY BELIEVED IN THE REAL PRESENCE— same with tons of other topics----so I stand by my statement that sola fide and sola scriptura were never EVER EXCUSIVELY TAUGHT IN THE EARLY CHURCH------stop quoting church fathers as proof texts-read all of their writing on a particular subject …

 

[jimmy85]

I think the worst thing that a protestan can do is to quote books of the church fahters to defend their believes because they were totally against the stuffs they believe.

About the eucarist:

St Ignatious of Antioch disciple of st John
Epistle to the philipians
Chapter 4. Have but one Eucharist,

Take heed, then, to have but one Eucharist. For there is one flesh of our Lord Jesus Christ, and one cup to [show forth] the unity of His blood; one altar; as there is one bishop, along with the presbytery and deacons, my fellow-servants: that so, whatsoever you do, you may do it according to [the will of] God.

St Cyril of Jerusalem

On the Body and Blood of Christ

Justin Martyr first apology

Chapter 66. Of the Eucharist.
And this food is called among us Εὐχαριστία [the Eucharist], of which no one is allowed to partake but the man who believes that the things which we teach are true, and who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins, and unto regeneration, and who is so living as Christ has enjoined. For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh. For the apostles, in the memoirs composed by them, which are called Gospels, have thus delivered unto us what was enjoined upon them; that Jesus took bread, and when He had given thanks, said, “This do in remembrance of Me, Luke 22:19 this is My body;” and that, after the same manner, having taken the cup and given thanks, He said, “This is My blood;” and gave it to them alone. Which the wicked devils have imitated in the mysteries of Mithras, commanding the same thing to be done. For, that bread and a cup of water are placed with certain incantations in the mystic rites of one who is being initiated, you either know or can learn.

The Church Fathers used to defend everyone of the catholic doctrines.

They even refered themselves as being catholics on their books.

 

[JesseW]

They even refered themselves as being catholics on their books.

Even Protestants, when reciting the Nicene Creed, say that they “believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.”

The term catholic, or universal, was a word used to stress the conviction that the church should be in one body. Ignatius, the bishop of Antioch in the second century, is believed to be the first to use this term. By the end of that century, the term was widely used in the sense that the Catholic church was both universal (not divided into local congregations), and orthodox, in contrast to the heretical groups that are out there.

As an evangelical, I have to admit that this sounds very similar to the Roman Catholic Church. The term “catholic” arose long before Rome exerted its authority and excommunicated the Bishop of Constantinople a few centuries later for his failure to submit to the Roman Bishop’s claim to Papal authority.