God on His terms –one time? God on our terms – 33,000+ times…Why?

[kalt]

Hi MarkBrown,

You guys are funny…You are the second person here to claim that the source I linked here is inaccurate and the second person here not to provide your own source… So what is the total number of non-Catholic Christian and Protestant denominations?

Simple criticizing someone else is not evidence of anything. This situation, where there exists so many divisions and sub-divisions of Protestantism and non-Catholic Christianity has become such a mess that I don’t think anyone today could come up with a truly accurate number, and you don’t see a problem with this? This lack of Christian unity (unity in belief) is anti-biblical.

I can state with absolute certainty the there exist One Roman Catholic Church and that is the denomination that I belong to. All other “Christian” denominations followed Catholicism.

Please try again…Thank you…

Peace

I can’t provide a source, but the number I’ve read (in Catholic publications) is about 5,000 non-Catholic Christians denominations.

 

[MarkBrown]

Hi MarkBrown,

You guys are funny…You are the second person here to claim that the source I linked here is inaccurate and the second person here not to provide your own source… So what is the total number of non-Catholic Christian and Protestant denominations?

Simple criticizing someone else is not evidence of anything. This situation, where there exists so many divisions and sub-divisions of Protestantism and non-Catholic Christianity has become such a mess that I don’t think anyone today could come up with a truly accurate number, and you don’t see a problem with this? This lack of Christian unity (unity in belief) is anti-biblical.

I can state with absolute certainty the there exist One Roman Catholic Church and that is the denomination that I belong to. All other “Christian” denominations followed Catholicism.

Please try again…Thank you…

Peace

I knew you would say this, you are predictable in your own loveable way. I do not have to Jimmy. You are touting it as correct when it fits your agenda. If YOU accept this site as correct, and remember THEY say there are 242 catholic denominations, you accept that number of catholic denominations. To accept or twist what they are saying is grasping at straws. THEY and YOU by your own assertion group the 242 catholic denoms into the 33k denoms.

This site is so incorrect any first year seminarian or hopefully an dutiful christian would be stunned to see it used as a source document. Gnostics, which the church declared heresy so many centuries ago, is counted as christian. That right there proves these guys or gals do not have a clue about that which they talk.

Go back to the internet, and search again. Or go to the library, church or secular. There are many scholarly tomes there that list all the different denominations. Try to find the truth and not find “truth” to fit your preconceived notions and prove your point. Also be teachable. If you are wrong, accept it there is no shame and this is not a game of “gotcha”. We are all suppose to be christians seeking to follow Christ. Last I check, we were on the same side.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

God on His terms –one time? God on our terms – 33,000+ times…Why?

In my view, the Bible can be liken to God’s instruction manual for us. Every large organization has to have its own rule-sets to function and to distinguish themselves from other similar organizations. The Bible is a “Catholic Book” and God’s instructions were meant for Catholics.

The first 39 books are & were Jewish - Christians have them only because, most Christians being Gentiles, the Gentiles have been grafted into the stock of the vine that is Israel.​

Other Protestant, non-Catholic denominations (I have read that there are about 33.000 different versions of Christianity) use a “Catholic Book”, the Bible, and interpret it in way that lines up with theirs beliefs and then create their own rules. Different *rule-sets and different *beliefs, equal different faiths and religions.

If the Christian Church were of purely human origin, that would be true. It is not - so it’s not. The Church is a mystery, one upheld by the grace of Christ, before it is anything else - it is impossible to give a fair account of it if this is forgotten.​

If you have ever wondered why there are so many versions of Christianity, it is because people over the years, have wanted to have God on their terms and not on God’s terms. Moreover, there are many here who belong to the “religion of there on intellect”

**Examples of a few “Christian” beliefs; **
-There are some “Christian Religions” who condone “homosexual marriages”.
-There are some “Christians” who don’t believe you have to attend Church on Sunday
-There are some “Christian Religions” who allow the members to divorce and remarry . as many times as they like
-The are some religions who promise “abundant” rewards, if you give them Money.
-There are some religions, whose ministers pretend to heal people.
-There are some religions where people pretend to speak in tongues.
Now if you read these verse, it does not allow for 33,000 different belief systems or versions of Christianity. One Church was given the authority from God and it was the Roman Catholic Church…

How is this passage:​

• Matthew 16:17-18

17 Jesus said to him in reply, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father.
18 And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.
19 I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
incompatible with Protestantism ? If the objections were valid, Protestantism would have no answers for it. Since the objections are not a problem for Protestants, but only for Catholics, they are nothing. There is nothing even to hint that Rome is involved, even remotely.

As for the “Christian beliefs” - it is tempting to reply in kind. If we excuse the evils in Catholicism by saying "we are only human, so we sin, so there are scandals in Catholicism - but this does not affect the Church " (which is a common defence of the CC on these forums); then why cannot the same defence be as effective for Protestantism ?

“My Church” is not given any particular form of government. Nor does the passage express a Catholic ecclesiology, just as it does not formally reject it. So this passage is no good as an argument against an ecclesiology which considers thousands of Churches to be parts within the one & universal Church of Christ.

 

[Harpazo]

The first 39 books are & were Jewish - Christians have them only because, most Christians being Gentiles, the Gentiles have been grafted into the stock of the vine that is Israel. ## If the Christian Church were of purely human origin, that would be true. It is not - so it’s not. The Church is a mystery, one upheld by the grace of Christ, before it is anything else - it is impossible to give a fair account of it if this is forgotten. ## How is this passage:​

• Matthew 16:17-18

17 Jesus said to him in reply, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father.
18 And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.
19 I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
incompatible with Protestantism ? If the objections were valid, Protestantism would have no answers for it. Since the objections are not a problem for Protestants, but only for Catholics, they are nothing. There is nothing even to hint that Rome is involved, even remotely.

As for the “Christian beliefs” - it is tempting to reply in kind. If we excuse the evils in Catholicism by saying "we are only human, so we sin, so there are scandals in Catholicism - but this does not affect the Church " (which is a common defence of the CC on these forums); then why cannot the same defence be as effective for Protestantism ?

“My Church” is not given any particular form of government. Nor does the passage express a Catholic ecclesiology, just as it does not formally reject it. So this passage is no good as an argument against an ecclesiology which considers thousands of Churches to be parts within the one & universal Church of Christ.

I don’t mean to sound rude here at all when I say this, but I only say it with love: Why do you harangue Catholics if you yourself are one? It just makes us look petty to those who are “lurking” or to those looking to come into the Church. Perhaps next time you can use the PM function? We all need to be building each other up and when things are done like this from one Catholic to another it makes me wonder…

Thanks and Happy Easter to all!

Alaha minokhoun
Andrew

 

[Harpazo]

I knew you would say this, you are predictable in your own loveable way. I do not have to Jimmy. You are touting it as correct when it fits your agenda. If YOU accept this site as correct, and remember THEY say there are 242 catholic denominations, you accept that number of catholic denominations. To accept or twist what they are saying is grasping at straws. THEY and YOU by your own assertion group the 242 catholic denoms into the 33k denoms.

This site is so incorrect any first year seminarian or hopefully an dutiful christian would be stunned to see it used as a source document. Gnostics, which the church declared heresy so many centuries ago, is counted as christian. That right there proves these guys or gals do not have a clue about that which they talk.

Go back to the internet, and search again. Or go to the library, church or secular. There are many scholarly tomes there that list all the different denominations. Try to find the truth and not find “truth” to fit your preconceived notions and prove your point. Also be teachable. If you are wrong, accept it there is no shame and this is not a game of “gotcha”. We are all suppose to be christians seeking to follow Christ. Last I check, we were on the same side.

You’re somewhat mistaken on the matter. The website is merely quoting the World Dictionary of Christian Denoms. or something to that nature, which was composed by a Protestant. They are using it as a source to show how some Protestants believe as Catholics on the fact that Protestantism is divisive.

Alaha minokhoun
Andrew

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

go to the site, click on catholic and you will get a list. some of them are: Armenian(eastern rite), Bulgarian, Byzantine,
Chaldean, Coptic…on and on and on.

According to the site it comes to 242 catholic denominations.

This site also list 1600 JW, mormon, arian, christian science, unitarians/universialist, gnostics , etc “christian” denominations. This alone should make every christian discount this site.

So the 33k is not protestant only, but catholic, orthodox, anglican and non christian (though the site calls them christian)denominations.

If you want to consider this site scholarly and correct…you have 242 catholic denominations and the Roman Catholic Church is just as christian as the gnostics

I would put this site in the grouping of just plain wrong. Unfortunately I am starting to see the lengths some will go to prove a point…to the point where they are being less than scholarly in choosing source documents. What next…watching a fantasy movie for theological source documentation?

Jimmy if you accept this site as scholarly…I guess you accept the Jesus Seminar also?:nope: Did not think so!

By the method adopted in the book which is the source of all these stats, that is what the figures are. And the method of the study which resulted in the book is explained in great detail in the beginning of the book.​

It’s not concerned with bolstering people’s beliefs - that is not what it’s for. It’s a statistical survey, not a text on doctrine. If people ignore the methods adopted for a book of stats - particularly when they are compared & analysed, as in this book - they have only themselves to blame for any misunderstanding of how it is written.

Some links:

• bible.ca/global-religion-statistics-world-christian-encyclopedia.htm [as of 2001]
• freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1956752/posts
• gcts.edu/ockenga/globalchristianity/resources.php [as of 2008]

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

I don’t mean to sound rude here at all when I say this, but I only say it with love: Why do you harangue Catholics if you yourself are one? It just makes us look petty to those who are “lurking” or to those looking to come into the Church. Perhaps next time you can use the PM function? We all need to be building each other up and when things are done like this from one Catholic to another it makes me wonder…

Thanks and Happy Easter to all!

Alaha minokhoun
Andrew

Criticism received in the spirit in which given ​

The reason is that - even if I spoke out of turn - ISTM that Protestants are often treated very unfairly & very inconsistently: isn’t it inconsistent for Catholics to excuse faults in the CC, while holding Protestants to a higher standard ? If anything, it might be argued that if a Church is not genuine when judged by an ecclesiology other than its own, then it should be expected to be ghastly; & this is a possible defence against certain kinds of Catholic-basher: if the the CC is as Christless as some of them say, then of course it will be as horrible as they claim: so why it should blamed for being what (by their account of it) it is, is not at all clear. Whether it is as horrible, or is worse, or is bad in the ways claimed, is another matter.

If arguments that are deployed against others are faulty - shouldn’t this be pointed out ? We may find argument X against Protestantism convincing - it does not follow that anyone else will; & the OP does claim to be an apologist. Is it unfair to point out weaknesses in an argument ? Certainly this can be done ungraciously or in other ways it should not - does that mean shaky arguments are solid ? Surely not. OTOH, I might not be the right person to do that - but if criticism of Catholic arguments is left to non-Catholics, it becomes too easy to reject the criticism because they are made by people who will “of course” disagree. Criticisms of such arguments by another Catholic - if well-founded in other respects - may be more credible. I don’t trust the sort of apologetic that requires everyone of the same affiliation not to “let the side down” by hushing even if bad arguments are used.

Certainly Catholics should build one another up - to tear each other down is indefensible. And doesn’t this apply to how we treat other Christians ? If we tear down other Christians, we harm ourselves. The reply that this is a Catholic forum & not a Protestant one is saying something true, but it’s a weak defence; for it could be said that Protestants deserve better treatment, not worse, for that reason.

Happy Easter

 

[justinthemartyr]

The first 39 books are & were Jewish - Christians have them only because, most Christians being Gentiles, the Gentiles have been grafted into the stock of the vine that is Israel. ## If the Christian Church were of purely human origin, that would be true. It is not - so it’s not. The Church is a mystery, one upheld by the grace of Christ, before it is anything else - it is impossible to give a fair account of it if this is forgotten. ## How is this passage:​

• Matthew 16:17-18

17 Jesus said to him in reply, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father.
18 And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.
19 I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
incompatible with Protestantism ? If the objections were valid, Protestantism would have no answers for it. Since the objections are not a problem for Protestants, but only for Catholics, they are nothing. There is nothing even to hint that Rome is involved, even remotely.

As for the “Christian beliefs” - it is tempting to reply in kind. If we excuse the evils in Catholicism by saying "we are only human, so we sin, so there are scandals in Catholicism - but this does not affect the Church " (which is a common defence of the CC on these forums); then why cannot the same defence be as effective for Protestantism ?

“My Church” is not given any particular form of government. Nor does the passage express a Catholic ecclesiology, just as it does not formally reject it. So this passage is no good as an argument against an ecclesiology which considers thousands of Churches to be parts within the one & universal Church of Christ.

False, there were 5 canons of OT scriptures. The One Church had toi decide from those canons, which books were insapired and which were not. By the way, the OT is the Word of God, in writing, and therefore are Christ in one sense of the Term “Word” which was made flesh, therefore since the Catholic Church is the continuation and fulfillment of the Jewish faith, and is the Body of Christ, he being the head. therefore the OT is as much Catholic as the New. It is not and never has been seperate from christ, and neither were the people of the OT, who were jewish. Those who followed Christ and believed were the first Christians.
Those who did not and rejected Christ also rejected the canon christ used of the OT.

 

[Jimmy_B]

Gottle of Geer posted - ## The first 39 books are & were Jewish - Christians have them only because, most Christians being Gentiles, the Gentiles have been grafted into the stock of the vine that is Israel. ## If the Christian Church were of purely human origin, that would be true. It is not - so it’s not. The Church is a mystery, one upheld by the grace of Christ, before it is anything else - it is impossible to give a fair account of it if this is forgotten. ## How is this passage:

• Matthew 16:17-18

17 Jesus said to him in reply, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father.
18 And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.
19 I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

Are you not a Catholic? If so, you know that Catholicism is a Judao-Christian religion. Jesus is God, therefore, the Old Testament and the New Testament points to and is about Jesus…All of it!

The entire Bible, in one way or another, points towards Jesus . Why do you the think that verses from the Old Testament, the Psalms, the New Testament and the Gospels are read together during every Catholic Mass? It is done because All of it, the entire Bible, points to Jesus. (direct or indirect - Christology and Biblical Typology).

The focal point of Catholicism is Jesus Christ!

“Only in the light of Easter, in the light of the Holy Spirit, did believers gradually come to understand that Moses and the prophets had in fact spoken of Jesus,”

• Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI) 1995 Gospel-Catechesis-Catechism (page 52-53)

One, who does not believe that the Bible is a “Catholic Book” is at odds with Christian history and at odds with the history of the formation of the Bible and he doesn’t believe that Catholicism represents the Full Deposit of Faith.

One would also have to reject the authority given by Jesus Christ (God) to His (Catholic) Church here on earth and the fact that the Roman Catholic Church is guided, infallibly by the Holy Spirit.

The Catholic Church and Catholic Popes were here well before the Bible, and the formation of the Bible occurred well before any “Protestant” denomination; this is a historical fact!

Gottle of Gear

posted - …incompatible with Protestantism ? If the objections were valid, Protestantism would have no answers for it. Since the objections are not a problem for Protestants, but only for Catholics, they are nothing. There is nothing even to hint that Rome is involved, even remotely.

As for the “Christian beliefs” - it is tempting to reply in kind. If we excuse the evils in Catholicism by saying "we are only human, so we sin, so there are scandals in Catholicism - but this does not affect the Church " (which is a common defence of the CC on these forums); then why cannot the same defence be as effective for Protestantism ?

“My Church” is not given any particular form of government. Nor does the passage express a Catholic ecclesiology, just as it does not formally reject it. So this passage is no good as an argument against an ecclesiology which considers thousands of Churches to be parts within the one & universal Church of Christ.

The “kingdom of God” is God Himself…The (Catholic) Church is the “kingdom of God on earth”.

“It futher becomes clear that the people of God, the Church as the human protagonist of salvation history, is present in the very act of faith.”

• Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI) 1995 Gospel-Catechesis-Catechism (page 28)

“The intrinsic unity of faith is not a mulitude of proprositions”.

I believe that you are confusing the commonality all Christians share through proper Baptism and very specific, articulated, different and at times, anti-Catholic beliefs and doctrines, which have been and continue to be heretical.

You are also confusing the behavior of persons who are “members” of a denomination that are acting outside the doctrines and beliefs of that particular denomination with the denomination itself, which, in the case of the Roman Catholic Church, is Infallible. I hope this helps.

Happy Easter Michael

 

[Jimmy_B]

“Dictatorship of relativism”

Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today fundamentalism… Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and “swept along by every wind of teaching” looks like the only attitude acceptable to today’s standards. We are moving toward a dictatorship of relativism which does not recognize anything as certain and which has as its highest goal one’s own ego and one’s own desires.

• The Spiritual Vision of Pope Benedict XVI (Page 161)

 

[Jimmy_B]

**[

](http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm)**

Catechism of the Catholic Church

**

The sacramental bond of the unity of Christians

1271 Baptism constitutes the foundation of communion among all Christians, including those who are not yet in full communion with the Catholic Church: "For men who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in some, though imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church. Justified by faith in Baptism, [they] are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church."81 "Baptism therefore constitutes the sacramental bond of unity existing among all who through it are reborn."82

The vocation of lay people

898 "By reason of their special vocation it belongs to the laity to seek the kingdom of God by engaging in temporal affairs and directing them according to God’s will. . . . It pertains to them in a special way so to illuminate and order all temporal things with which they are closely associated that these may always be effected and grow according to Christ and maybe to the glory of the Creator and Redeemer."431

899 The initiative of lay Christians is necessary especially when the matter involves discovering or inventing the means for permeating social, political, and economic realities with the demands of Christian doctrine and life. This initiative is a normal element of the life of the Church:

Lay believers are in the front line of Church life; for them the Church is the animating principle of human society. Therefore, they in particular ought to have an ever-clearer consciousness not only of belonging to the Church, but of being the Church, that is to say, the community of the faithful on earth under the leadership of the Pope, the common Head, and of the bishops in communion with him. They are the Church.432

900 Since, like all the faithful, lay Christians are entrusted by God with the apostolate by virtue of their Baptism and Confirmation, they have the right and duty, individually or grouped in associations, to work so that the divine message of salvation may be known and accepted by all men throughout the earth. This duty is the more pressing when it is only through them that men can hear the Gospel and know Christ. Their activity in ecclesial communities is so necessary that, for the most part, the apostolate of the pastors cannot be fully effective without it.433

[

](http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm)**

 

[RodneyJ]

Hi Daniel,

Great, we have an expert here, maybe you can provide a better source, which lists all of the non-Catholic and Protestant divisions and sub-divisions. I can’t wait to see how smart you are.

Then you can answer my question…Why?

While you are at it, maybe you could find the study, which explain’s why Catholics have the lowest divorce and suicide rates?

Peace

It’s people like you that turn people away from the Catholic faith.

I am beginning my journey to Catholicism and to be honest, if all Catholics acted like you do in doing your best to put other people down and make them feel something that is less than you, I would never give this a second thought.

 

[justinthemartyr]

It’s people like you that turn people away from the Catholic faith.

I am beginning my journey to Catholicism and to be honest, if all Catholics acted like you do in doing your best to put other people down and make them feel something that is less than you, I would never give this a second thought.

well fortunately Jesus put it bluntly, in that the weeds grow amongst the wheat until harvest.

I too can be pretty rigid in my apologetics, but that is usually because I meet so much hostility from the protestant side on many occasions, and I too was a very anti Catholic person who persecuted catholics previous to converting.

If it were just the people that were the attraction, i would not have converted. It is the absolute Truth that brought me home. Praise God.

The western world does not have a whole lot of great history as far as high percentages of good Catholics, who are very inclined apologetically, but the numbers are growing.

peace, Justin

 

[Jimmy_B]

It’s people like you that turn people away from the Catholic faith.

I am beginning my journey to Catholicism and to be honest, if all Catholics acted like you do in doing your best to put other people down and make them feel something that is less than you, I would never give this a second thought.

Hello Rodney,

Can you be a little more specific? Are you “saying” this because I have been a faithful husband and father? Alternatively, are your opinions because I am and have always been a law-abiding citizen? Maybe it is because I am an “out-spoken” sometimes “blunt” observant (not perfect) Catholic.

I’m sorry but I am a product of my own life. I do need to grow in many areas, including “humility” and “patients for others” and I’m working on it, so maybe you could pray for me? This may or may not work because I am a cranky old man.

Who knows, I think if you met me and gave me a chance that you might like me…

I hope that your journey does bring you home to the Catholic Church. Keep in mind that there exist approximately one billion Catholics… That means, one billion individuals who are all unique and all different based on their own life experiences and they all have different personalities, but we are all God’s children, even cranky old men like me. Does everyone need to be exactly like you to go to heaven?

The only one that anyone should consider when making his or her decision(s), is Jesus. The only things that should be important are the Truths found in Catholicism. Don’t kill the messenger; there are about one billion of those.

Peace

 

[Jimmy_B]

It’s people like you that turn people away from the Catholic faith.

I am beginning my journey to Catholicism and to be honest, if all Catholics acted like you do in doing your best to put other people down and make them feel something that is less than you, I would never give this a second thought.

Rodney,

Did you read what Daniel Marsh write about me? (post #7) And what I was responding to (below)?

“Hi Jimmy, your source is flawed. According to the same source there are hundreds if not thousands of Catholic demoninations too. So, when you throw that number out, all we do is laugh at your lack of knowledge or lack of honestly whichever it is.”

Any advise for him?

You are not showing any favoritism are you?

Peace

 

[Syele]

Hello Rodney,

Can you be a little more specific? Are you “saying” this because I have been a faithful husband and father? Alternatively, are your opinions because I am and have always been a law-abiding citizen? Maybe it is because I am an “out-spoken” sometimes “blunt” observant (not perfect) Catholic.

I’m sorry but I am a product of my own life. I do need to grow in many areas, including “humility” and “patients for others” and I’m working on it, so maybe you could pray for me? This may or may not work because I am a cranky old man.

Who knows, I think if you met me and gave me a chance that you might like me…

I hope that your journey does bring you home to the Catholic Church. Keep in mind that there exist approximately one billion Catholics… That means, one billion individuals who are all unique and all different based on their own life experiences and they all have different personalities, but we are all God’s children, even cranky old men like me. Does everyone need to be exactly like you to go to heaven?

The only one that anyone should consider when making his or her decision(s), is Jesus. The only things that should be important are the Truths found in Catholicism. Don’t kill the messenger; there are about one billion of those.

Peace

Jimmy,

I think he is just saying that you are often uncharitable, even to those who are not uncharitable to you. This does not make people look at you here on CAF and think “Hey! I want to be like him!”

No, people do not all have to be exactly the same to go to heaven, but it is true that we will know God’s children by their fruit. Review the fruit of the spirit, Catholics have a slightly different list than protestants, but the words mean the same thing. I’m sure that bluntly whacking people in the face (figuratively) with the CCC cause your life made you a cranky old man is not what was intended by that list. That list is an excellent example of God on His terms!

Frankly, I have seen others tell you this too, it is not just one offtrack person who thought so.

Pray and ask God to help if it hard cause your life made you that way. God is faithful to answer His children.

 

[Jimmy_B]

Jimmy,

I think he is just saying that you are often uncharitable, even to those who are not uncharitable to you. This does not make people look at you here on CAF and think “Hey! I want to be like him!”

No, people do not all have to be exactly the same to go to heaven, but it is true that we will know God’s children by their fruit. Review the fruit of the spirit, Catholics have a slightly different list than protestants, but the words mean the same thing. I’m sure that bluntly whacking people in the face (figuratively) with the CCC cause your life made you a cranky old man is not what was intended by that list. That list is an excellent example of God on His terms!

Frankly, I have seen others tell you this too, it is not just one offtrack person who thought so.

Pray and ask God to help if it hard cause your life made you that way. God is faithful to answer His children.

Hello Syele,

I’m sorry but I have to disagree. Many here (“Protestants” and anti-Catholics) have addressed comments like this to me before, simple because of what I have posted, not “how” I posted it. Or they are responding to my response, to an innapropriate comment made to me, which BTW they don’t comment on.

The Information that I post here at CAF can be supported biblically, and in many cases are the same words or similar to the words used in the Catechism and by Catholic Apologists past and present, and I still attract these kinds of comments.

For example, the information I used for this thread was not pulled from “thin-air”, I provided the only detailed source link that I could find on this topic. If anyone has a better source then please post it.

It is in my opinion, that in many cases that these kinds of personal comments made to me and other Catholics here are nothing more than a “Protestant” and/or anti-Catholic tactic used by some here when they do not have a valid argument…Or because we have different personalities here and some are not use to people who speak directly. Or, they simple want to try to silence Catholics like me.

I want to see valid, sourced arguments.

As for the comment of mine referred to a couple posts ago, read my last two post.

God Bless You! And thank you for your post.

 

[Jimmy_B]

The best way to silence me is to agree with me… :extrahappy:

 

[RodneyJ]

Hello Rodney,

Can you be a little more specific? Are you “saying” this because I have been a faithful husband and father? Alternatively, are your opinions because I am and have always been a law-abiding citizen? Maybe it is because I am an “out-spoken” sometimes “blunt” observant (not perfect) Catholic.

I’m sorry but I am a product of my own life. I do need to grow in many areas, including “humility” and “patients for others” and I’m working on it, so maybe you could pray for me? This may or may not work because I am a cranky old man.

Who knows, I think if you met me and gave me a chance that you might like me…

I hope that your journey does bring you home to the Catholic Church. Keep in mind that there exist approximately one billion Catholics… That means, one billion individuals who are all unique and all different based on their own life experiences and they all have different personalities, but we are all God’s children, even cranky old men like me. Does everyone need to be exactly like you to go to heaven?

The only one that anyone should consider when making his or her decision(s), is Jesus. The only things that should be important are the Truths found in Catholicism. Don’t kill the messenger; there are about one billion of those.

Peace

Way to direct a response to anything except what I posted!

 

[RodneyJ]

Rodney,

Did you read what Daniel Marsh write about me? (post #7) And what I was responding to (below)?

"Hi Jimmy, your source is flawed. According to the same source there are hundreds if not thousands of Catholic demoninations too. So, when you throw that number out, all we do is laugh at your lack of knowledge or lack of honestly whichever it is."

Any advise for him?

You are not showing any favoritism are you?

Peace

**Favoritism? I surely would not show favoritism to someone who is putting down the faith that I am coming to know and love so dearly. However, if you think that you’re going to convert someone to the Catholic faith by coming off like a jerk, which in most posts I have read of your, you do, you’re wrong.

I have no problem with you. I have no problem with spreading the truth about God’s love and His Holy Church, but you’ll note that I do it with a sweeter touch instead of putting " " around everything as if it were the wrong belief system or instead of giving ridiculous answers like “Is it because I am a faithful husband and father?” - when you know that it has absolutely nothing to do with my comment to you.

God calls us to love all people and spread the Good News WITH love, not spread the Good News by making people feel stupid with our comments and responses to them.**