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Happy to be of service!
Yes, Jesus could calm the storm, and we can still research weather. But if nature would be overridden in an extraordinary way all the time (and not just once in a while), scientists would not be able to notice patterns, from which it would be possible to find out how weather would work “normally”, without being overridden. Science would be impossible. And, for that matter, we would not be able to recognise that a miracle has happened.
Also, if storms were always prevented from harming ships, sailors would not have an opportunity to show and train prudence.
That shows one more reason why sometimes God does not prevent evil, but you have to prevent it. Sometimes it is specifically left as a challenge for you, so that you would demonstrate and train virtue. In such case you leaving evil alone and God preventing evil would both be counterproductive.
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It’s also not correct to claim “God doesn’t intervene”.
Yes, He does.
He gave us commandments against things like killing and rape.
He came to live alongside us and gave us a very clear moral code.
Then He said we were His branches, we are part of His body. You see, when we protect another person, we are acting as His body, we are His hands and voice here on the Earth.
Yes, He does.
He gave us commandments against things like killing and rape.
He came to live alongside us and gave us a very clear moral code.
Then He said we were His branches, we are part of His body. You see, when we protect another person, we are acting as His body, we are His hands and voice here on the Earth.
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We might spend a hundred years here on Earth, and an eternity with our Lord. So any solution that God puts in place here on Earth is only temporary. The real goal is to prepare us for eternal life.
We just have to trust in our Lord that he is just, merciful and forgiving and his will be done.
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THE WAY OF OUR PREPARATION AS FOLLOWS.
Catholic Encyclopedia : Evil
“But we cannot say without denying the Divine omnipotence, that another equally perfect universe could not be created in which evil would have no place.”
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CCC 310 But why did God not create a world so perfect that no evil could exist in it?
With infinite wisdom and goodness God freely willed to create a world in a state of journeying towards its ultimate perfection, 314 through the dramas of evil and sin. – God created the dramas of evil and sin.
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THE REASON GOD CREATED THE DRAMAS OF EVIL AND SIN.
Life without suffering would produce spoiled brats, not joyful saints.
Our struggle and tribulation while journeying towards our ultimate perfection through the dramas of evil and sin is the cost which in-prints the virtue/ nobility into our souls – the cost of our road to nobility and perfection.
In this world man has to learn by experience and contrast, and to develop by the overcoming of obstacles (Lactantius, “De ira Dei”, xiii, xv in “P.L., VII, 115-24. St. Augustine “De ordine”, I, vii, n. 18 in “P.L.”, XXXII, 986).
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CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Free Will explains;
“God is the author of all causes and effects, but is not the author of sin, because an action ceases to be sin if God wills it to happen. Still God is the cause of sin.
God’s omnipotent providence exercises a complete and perfect control over all events that happen, or will happen, in the universe.”
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CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Divine Providence explains;
“His wisdom He so orders all events within the universe that the end for which it was created may be realized.
He directs all, even evil and sin itself, to the final end for which the universe was created.
All events preordained by God in accordance with His all-embracing purpose.
Evil, therefore, ministers to God’s design” (St. Gregory the Great, op. cit., VI, xxxii in P.L.”
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CCC 2022; The divine initiative (supernatural intervention of God in the faculties of the soul) in the work of grace precedes, prepares, and elicits the free response of man.
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AS WE SEE ABOVE
In His training program God designed every obstacles down to its minutest details, and He also designed His aids for us down to its minutest details, the way He aides us that we will able to overcome every our obstacles.
At the end of our training program in this earth, we will be joyful saints in heaven.
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CCC 324 Faith gives us the certainty that God would not permit an evil if he did not cause a good to come from that very evil, by ways that we shall fully know only in eternal life.
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CCC 301 God does not abandon his creatures to themselves.
He not only gives them being and existence, but also, and at every moment, upholds and sustains them in being, utter dependence enables them to act and brings them to their final end .
Recognizing this with respect to the Creator is a source of wisdom and freedom, of joy and confidence.
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God bless
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God created Angels and Mankind with Free Will Natures - for a Purpose…
God Gave all Commands related to one another…
LOVE GOD/LOVE - AND … LOVE THY NEIGHBOR/LOVE ONE ANOTHER
EVIL comes from Free Will Disobedience of Creatures…
One Fine Day? Upon Jesus’ Return? EVIL shall no more impede upon any Child of God
God Gave all Commands related to one another…
LOVE GOD/LOVE - AND … LOVE THY NEIGHBOR/LOVE ONE ANOTHER
EVIL comes from Free Will Disobedience of Creatures…
One Fine Day? Upon Jesus’ Return? EVIL shall no more impede upon any Child of God
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We all have free wills, and we all FREELY DECIDE every act we choose to do.
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The question is:
Do we choose our actions with Libertarian free will or with Aided free will?
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There are two types of free will, Libertarian free will and Aided free will.
LIBERTARIAN FREE WILL
Libertarian free will is basically the concept that, metaphysically and morally, man is an autonomous being, one who operates independently, not controlled by others or by outside forces.
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AIDED FREE WILL
There is a supernatural intervention of God in the faculties of the soul, which precedes the free act of the will, (De fide dogma).
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Divine Providence explains;
Life everlasting promised to us, (Romans 5:21); but unaided we can do nothing to gain it (Rom.7:18-24).
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Libertarian free will would be useless for us.
The Council of Sens (1140) condemned the idea that free will is sufficient in itself for any good. Donez., 373.
Council of Orange (529)
In canon 20, entitled that Without God Man Can Do No Good. . . Denz., 193; quoting St. Prosper.
In canon 22, says, “ No one has anything of his own except lying and sin. Denz., 194; quoting St. Prosper.
Only God has Libertarian free will no one else, God has given us aided free will.
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St. Augustine on Grace and Predestination
I.(1) On human interaction with grace: Every good work, even good will, is the work of God.
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De gratia Christi 25, 26: “For not only has God given us our ability and helps it, but He even works [brings about] willing and acting in us; not that we do not will or that we do not act, but that without His help we neither will anything good nor do it”
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De gratia et libero arbitrio 16, 32: “It is certain that we will when we will; but He brings it about that we will good … . It is certain that we act when we act, but He brings it about that we act , providing most effective powers to the will.
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CCC 308 The truth that God is at work in all the actions of his creatures is inseparable from faith in God the Creator.
God is the first cause who operates in and through secondary causes:
"For God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
Far from diminishing the creature’s dignity, this truth enhances it.
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CCC 307 God thus enables men to be intelligent and free, causes in order to complete the work of creation, … Though often unconscious collaborators with God’s will, they can also enter deliberately into the divine plan by their actions. – By AIDED FREE WILL as follows.
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CCC 2022; The divine initiative (supernatural intervention of God in the faculties of the soul) in the work of grace precedes, prepares, and elicits the free response of man.
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St. Thomas teaches that all movements of will and choice must be traced to the divine will: and not to any other cause, because Gad alone is the cause of our willing and choosing. CG, 3.91.
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The Catholic Church dogmatically teaches Aided free will, maybe some Evangelical Pentecostal Churches teaches Libertarian free will.
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God bless
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The question is:
Do we choose our actions with Libertarian free will or with Aided free will?
.
There are two types of free will, Libertarian free will and Aided free will.
LIBERTARIAN FREE WILL
Libertarian free will is basically the concept that, metaphysically and morally, man is an autonomous being, one who operates independently, not controlled by others or by outside forces.
.
AIDED FREE WILL
There is a supernatural intervention of God in the faculties of the soul, which precedes the free act of the will, (De fide dogma).
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Divine Providence explains;
Life everlasting promised to us, (Romans 5:21); but unaided we can do nothing to gain it (Rom.7:18-24).
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Libertarian free will would be useless for us.
The Council of Sens (1140) condemned the idea that free will is sufficient in itself for any good. Donez., 373.
Council of Orange (529)
In canon 20, entitled that Without God Man Can Do No Good. . . Denz., 193; quoting St. Prosper.
In canon 22, says, “ No one has anything of his own except lying and sin. Denz., 194; quoting St. Prosper.
Only God has Libertarian free will no one else, God has given us aided free will.
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St. Augustine on Grace and Predestination
I.(1) On human interaction with grace: Every good work, even good will, is the work of God.
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De gratia Christi 25, 26: “For not only has God given us our ability and helps it, but He even works [brings about] willing and acting in us; not that we do not will or that we do not act, but that without His help we neither will anything good nor do it”
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De gratia et libero arbitrio 16, 32: “It is certain that we will when we will; but He brings it about that we will good … . It is certain that we act when we act, but He brings it about that we act , providing most effective powers to the will.
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CCC 308 The truth that God is at work in all the actions of his creatures is inseparable from faith in God the Creator.
God is the first cause who operates in and through secondary causes:
"For God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
Far from diminishing the creature’s dignity, this truth enhances it.
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CCC 307 God thus enables men to be intelligent and free, causes in order to complete the work of creation, … Though often unconscious collaborators with God’s will, they can also enter deliberately into the divine plan by their actions. – By AIDED FREE WILL as follows.
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CCC 2022; The divine initiative (supernatural intervention of God in the faculties of the soul) in the work of grace precedes, prepares, and elicits the free response of man.
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St. Thomas teaches that all movements of will and choice must be traced to the divine will: and not to any other cause, because Gad alone is the cause of our willing and choosing. CG, 3.91.
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The Catholic Church dogmatically teaches Aided free will, maybe some Evangelical Pentecostal Churches teaches Libertarian free will.
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God bless
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When Eve and Adam followed the Serpent’s Lie and freely willed to Disobey God’s Command…
That’s an extremely significant and simple example of Free Will
Same when Judas I freely willed to take 30 pieces of Silver from the Jewish Leadership to Betray Jesus.
That’s an extremely significant and simple example of Free Will
Same when Judas I freely willed to take 30 pieces of Silver from the Jewish Leadership to Betray Jesus.
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Of course they are freely willed, by their God’s gift of Aided free will.
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The Mystery of Predestination by John Salza explains; (Catholic apologist.)
Page 113: “God, however, willed to permit Adam to reject His grace and to sin.” – Reason described in CCC 310; CCC 314; etc. With infinite wisdom and goodness God freely willed to create in this world the dramas of evil and sin.
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Every event in the Universe, includes every our salutary act and every act of our sins, Christ death on the cross, Judas betrayal of Christ Designed, Decreed, Foreordained by God from all eternity.
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CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Free Will explains;
“God is the author of all causes and effects, but is not the author of sin, because an action ceases to be sin if God wills it to happen. Still God is the cause of sin.
God’s omnipotent providence exercises a complete and perfect control over all events that happen, or will happen, in the universe.”
.
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Divine Providence explains;
“His wisdom He so orders all events within the universe that the end for which it was created may be realized.
He directs all, even evil and sin itself, to the final end for which the universe was created.
All events preordained by God in accordance with His all-embracing purpose.
Evil, therefore, ministers to God’s design” (St. Gregory the Great, op. cit., VI, xxxii in P.L.”
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With God’s gift of our Aided free wills, we all freely perform every act what God wills and causes us to perform.
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For Augustine says (De Civ. Dei v, 1) that the "Divine will or power is called fate. "
But the Divine will or power is not in creatures, but in God. Therefore fate is not in creatures but in God.
The Divine will is cause of all things that happen, as Augustine says (De Trin. iii, 1 seqq.). Therefore all things are subject to fate.
The same is true for events in our lives. Relative to us they often appear to be by chance.
But relative to God, who directs everything according to his divine plan, nothing occurs by chance.
Hence if this divine influence stopped, every operation would stop.
Every operation, therefore, of anything is traced back to Him as its cause. (Summa Contra Gentiles, Book III.)
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There is a supernatural intervention of God in the faculties of the soul, which precedes the free act of the will, (De fide dogma).
Aquinas said, "God changes the will without forcing it. But he can change the will from the fact that he himself operates in the will as he does in nature,” De Veritatis 22:9. 31. ST I-II:112:3. 32. Gaudium et Spes 22; "being …
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As God himself operates in our wills, we are freely cooperating with His graces, without even knowing it.
St. Thomas teaches that God effects everything, the willing and the achievement. S.Th. II/II 4, 4 ad 3.
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God bless
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The Mystery of Predestination by John Salza explains; (Catholic apologist.)
Page 113: “God, however, willed to permit Adam to reject His grace and to sin.” – Reason described in CCC 310; CCC 314; etc. With infinite wisdom and goodness God freely willed to create in this world the dramas of evil and sin.
.
Every event in the Universe, includes every our salutary act and every act of our sins, Christ death on the cross, Judas betrayal of Christ Designed, Decreed, Foreordained by God from all eternity.
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CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Free Will explains;
“God is the author of all causes and effects, but is not the author of sin, because an action ceases to be sin if God wills it to happen. Still God is the cause of sin.
God’s omnipotent providence exercises a complete and perfect control over all events that happen, or will happen, in the universe.”
.
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Divine Providence explains;
“His wisdom He so orders all events within the universe that the end for which it was created may be realized.
He directs all, even evil and sin itself, to the final end for which the universe was created.
All events preordained by God in accordance with His all-embracing purpose.
Evil, therefore, ministers to God’s design” (St. Gregory the Great, op. cit., VI, xxxii in P.L.”
.
With God’s gift of our Aided free wills, we all freely perform every act what God wills and causes us to perform.
.
For Augustine says (De Civ. Dei v, 1) that the "Divine will or power is called fate. "
But the Divine will or power is not in creatures, but in God. Therefore fate is not in creatures but in God.
The Divine will is cause of all things that happen, as Augustine says (De Trin. iii, 1 seqq.). Therefore all things are subject to fate.
The same is true for events in our lives. Relative to us they often appear to be by chance.
But relative to God, who directs everything according to his divine plan, nothing occurs by chance.
Hence if this divine influence stopped, every operation would stop.
Every operation, therefore, of anything is traced back to Him as its cause. (Summa Contra Gentiles, Book III.)
.
There is a supernatural intervention of God in the faculties of the soul, which precedes the free act of the will, (De fide dogma).
Aquinas said, "God changes the will without forcing it. But he can change the will from the fact that he himself operates in the will as he does in nature,” De Veritatis 22:9. 31. ST I-II:112:3. 32. Gaudium et Spes 22; "being …
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As God himself operates in our wills, we are freely cooperating with His graces, without even knowing it.
St. Thomas teaches that God effects everything, the willing and the achievement. S.Th. II/II 4, 4 ad 3.
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God bless
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God permits “free will”… in angels and humans…
God does not Will Evil
Evil came about as the result of Disobedience to God
God does not Will Evil
Evil came about as the result of Disobedience to God
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