God Squad answer to untimely death

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I love this column and have shared others This one was about an untimely death of a 31 year woman who was the grandaughter of the writer.

I think his response and the “guarantee” was thought-provoking.

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Q: In 2009, our daughter lost her daughter, age 31, to melanoma. Now she blames God and won’t change her mind. What are your thoughts when people blame God for tragedy? This saddens us, as we are Christians. – M., Boynton Beach, FL via godsquadquestio@aol.com

A: My first response is personal, pastoral and simple: Be present for your daughter and be silent. This is not the kind of situation that demands a facile verbal response. There’s an old wisdom teaching in my tradition that although it is a commandment to teach what can be learned, it’s also a commandment not to teach what cannot be learned.

Your daughter is not in a place where she can learn a coherent defense of God’s providence (called theodicy). She’s still broken, grieving and angry and your patient love is more important to her than your defense of God. Don’t take the bait. Just listen and try to move the conversation to a loving remembrance of stories about the good your granddaughter did during her life. That’s enough for now and for the future until your daughter’s anger subsides enough to allow wisdom and faith to enter her life again.

My second response is for others who harbor a similar anger. I would say to them, “Please bring your guarantee to our next counseling session.” Should they ask, “What guarantee?” I would say, “You know, the guarantee you got from God promising you and those you love a life where nothing bad ever happens. Bring me God’s guarantee that you and your family will all live long, happy lives and die peacefully and without pain at 120 years of age. Your anger only makes sense if you have such a guarantee from God. The only reason to be angry is because you believe that God broke a promise to you and yours.” Should they then say, “I never got such a guarantee,” I would say, “Neither did I.”

Somehow, we’ve latched onto the belief that loss is a betrayal by God. Judaism, Christianity and Islam do not teach such a belief, yet people think it’s part of our theology. I think this mistaken and anger-provoking belief comes from the erroneous assumption that the good deeds we do are like deposits in some heavenly IRA, and we receive the rewards of long, healthy life because God owes us this as a kind of divinely-funded interest payment. When God doesn’t pay off, we’re furious.

The truth of what we actually teach and believe is that goodness is its own reward. If it were otherwise, goodness would just be an instrumental good – not good in itself but only a means to get what we want. Both religious people and rational atheists believe the same thing in this regard.

Goodness must be a terminal virtue. It must be something we do for its own sake. Goodness does produce, I believe, a better life, but it doesn’t always produce a longer life. What comforts religious people is the trust we have that God suffers along with us and helps us focus on what we have been given, not on what has been lost.

What comforts religious people is the trust that death is not the end of us and that our souls live with God without pain and in the joyous emanation of God’s abiding love for us all.

Psalm 90 reminds us of the fleeting nature of our lives even when they’re not cut short, and that our task is gratitude, not anger: “So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.” (90:12).

Wisdom is different from intelligence. Intelligence is knowing what is. Wisdom is knowing what matters, and what matters about loss is what we learn from it. If we learn anger, cynicism and bitterness, that will be its legacy. If we learn gratitude, hope, trust and love, then that will be its legacy. Which legacy does your daughter really want?

The death of her daughter could produce a second death – the death of her capacity to feel joy. Alternately, the death of her daughter could produce a hard learned but wise trust that we will not be separated forever from those we love. It’s her choice. God sets before us life and death, not as an exercise in divine accounting, but rather as a choice to choose life even in the valley of the shadow of death.

May God comfort you and your daughter.
 
Beautiful…👍

I find it sad that so many - even devout Christians - seem unable to really grasp and integrate the reality of the promise of eternal life. That the ending of this corporeal existence, as sad and as difficult as it is, is not The End.
In truth we will lose loved ones…and eventually our loved ones will lose us…do we want our loved ones to blame God for taking us home to Himself???
hhmmm - something to ponder there…

Peace
James
 
It occurs to me that in this life, you’ll always find attorneys to defend the undefendables, likewise you’ll always find some unthinking idiot to defend God. God is heartless, whimsical, fickle, indifferent, oftentimes hostile, you have to be out of your mind to have any kind of trust in him, might as well trust the grains of sand in a hot desert to quench your thirst. Is there not a difference between seeing your own child die before you do and living to be 120? Is there not a difference between a life where nothing bad happens and a life laced with negativity, loss, despair? I think you have to give up the thinking part of your brain to be a real Christian. The Bible offers an incomprehensible, incoherent, confusing, impossible image of God. God never promised us anything? Not even a long life if we honour our genitors? There is a reason Christianity only prospers in third world countries and under-developped countries, where people have under-developped brains. God is dumb. There are countless people who’d rather not live, yet there are lots of people who end up dying who wanted nothing more than to live. I understand he derives great satisfaction from giving people the opposite of what they want. I never wanted to be alive, yet this idiotic God has sustained me through thick and thin, adamant that I would taste the fullest extent of the bitterness and heartbreaking nature of my life for as long as possible. He has sustained me for no other reason than to see me in torment, in disarray, what an absurd situation to be sustained against your will by an idiot who claims to love you beyond your wildest imagination. The truth is that there is no reason that a 31 year-old woman should die, if we pray with a faith the size of a mustard seed, our prayer will be answered if it lines up with God’s will, why would God want to end the life of someone who wants to live and not grant the painless, speedy death that another one has been begging for for 15, 20 years? Answer: God is our loving father and he’s been around for longer than us, so father knows best. What a heap of pure bull excrements.

“Defending the faith cruise”. People used to fast, pray, do penance, different times, i guess.
 
It occurs to me that in this life, you’ll always find attorneys to defend the undefendables, likewise you’ll always find some unthinking idiot to defend God. God is heartless, whimsical, fickle, indifferent, oftentimes hostile, you have to be out of your mind to have any kind of trust in him, might as well trust the grains of sand in a hot desert to quench your thirst. Is there not a difference between seeing your own child die before you do and living to be 120? Is there not a difference between a life where nothing bad happens and a life laced with negativity, loss, despair? I think you have to give up the thinking part of your brain to be a real Christian. The Bible offers an incomprehensible, incoherent, confusing, impossible image of God. God never promised us anything? Not even a long life if we honour our genitors? There is a reason Christianity only prospers in third world countries and under-developped countries, where people have under-developped brains. God is dumb. There are countless people who’d rather not live, yet there are lots of people who end up dying who wanted nothing more than to live. I understand he derives great satisfaction from giving people the opposite of what they want. I never wanted to be alive, yet this idiotic God has sustained me through thick and thin, adamant that I would taste the fullest extent of the bitterness and heartbreaking nature of my life for as long as possible. He has sustained me for no other reason than to see me in torment, in disarray, what an absurd situation to be sustained against your will by an idiot who claims to love you beyond your wildest imagination. The truth is that there is no reason that a 31 year-old woman should die, if we pray with a faith the size of a mustard seed, our prayer will be answered if it lines up with God’s will, why would God want to end the life of someone who wants to live and not grant the painless, speedy death that another one has been begging for for 15, 20 years? Answer: God is our loving father and he’s been around for longer than us, so father knows best. What a heap of pure bull excrements.

“Defending the faith cruise”. People used to fast, pray, do penance, different times, i guess.
God offers us comfort in another place and time for all those we love in goodness.

What exactly are you offering?

Just a thought.​

“There will be no more sadness, only joy and light…” (hymn)
 
It occurs to me that in this life, you’ll always find attorneys to defend the undefendables,
no one is undefendable.
likewise you’ll always find some unthinking idiot to defend God. God is heartless, whimsical, fickle, indifferent, oftentimes hostile, you have to be out of your mind to have any kind of trust in him,…
you really ought to find someone else to blame, like whoever soured you on life. someone’s actually responsible for that: either you, or some third party, but I’m guessing its you.
There is a reason Christianity only prospers in third world countries and under-developped countries, where people have under-developped brains.
one might infer the same about atheists. QED. if you’re going to trash Christians for being dumb, at least use a spell checker first.
… I never wanted to be alive,…
you should seek out professional help. seriously, dude.
 
Fairwinds, one “d” too many is not what makes someone dumb, although I am not denying that I am dumb. Your post is full of what I’ve come to expect from you: uninformed and uninteresting opinions based on this silly idea that you have some kind of ability to discern stuff. I doubt a lawyer would have enough time to post nearly 3000 times in the short period you’ve been here. To me you’re a wanker/joker who thinks he has some kind of authority to declare stuff. If you don’t like living somewhere, no matter how hard you try to find positive aspects, you realize that place isn’t for you, will you seek help from someone to change your mind about where you live, or make plans to move to a different, better suited place for a wanker as yourself? After many decades of being alive, I know that I know that I know that living is not for me, I need a way out of this place, not professional help. Unless a brain and personality transplant is feasible, otherwise it’s pointless. I’d only contributing to someone else’s financial situation, whereas I’d have to bear hearing platitudes and trite word-for-word rehashes from his/her psychology textbooks. Clearly, life is not for everyone. God is quite the loving father for allowing a stupid sperm to fertilize a stupid ovum, when the end result will be someone who genuinely doesn’t want to be around, a fact which our loving prescient father is aware of well in advance, as the term “prescient” implies. That, alone, deserves a Nobel prize for unprecedented charity and love. What do you think, counselor?
 
Robert…
I’m so sorry that you find yourself in such a state of existence…I wish there was something I could do or say but I don’t know what it might be.
Yet something in your response above caught my attention…You said:
Unless a brain and personality transplant is feasible, otherwise it’s pointless.
Well - I would suggest that at personality transplant IS feasible…after a fashion…and in fact they occur with regularity.

Peace
James
 
Robertanthony,

I too, am so sorry you feel this way. You do have a point though, life isn’t easy and unfortunately some of us have a much heavier cross to carry than others.

We can’t know everyone’s story or the deep hurts they carry around with them. I understand you are angry with God as is this woman who lost a daughter. I pray that in time, you feel valued and loved by God and through your trials come to realize that your life has worth and meaning even when you feel surrounded by darkness.

You are in my prayers,
Aussiegal
 
God offers us comfort in another place and time for all those we love in goodness.

What exactly are you offering?

Just a thought.​

“There will be no more sadness, only joy and light…” (hymn)
God is like a billionaire giving away pennies, and you’re marvelling at his generosity. God is offering us the shabby “suffer now, live it up later if you’re good”, he couldn’t care less if you spend your whole existence in agony, in torment, in despair, cursing your own birth. If a man is married and intends to have a child, if God stops being who he usually is and grants that potential father a clear foreview of what his potential child’s life will be like, except that whatever will be will be, and nothing can prevent what is supernaturally known in advance from occurring. Let’s imagine three possible scenarios: 1-the child will be savagely molested as a young boy, to the extent where an artificial anus will be required 2- the child will be burned on 90% of his body (3rd degree burns) before he reaches grade one 3-the boy will, as a teenager, find himself struggling with his identity as a boy and will decide later on in his early teen to undergo surgery and hormone replacement therapy to become a “woman”. No matter what the scenario, the end result will be maladapted individuals, nervous wrecks, anxious people who will explode in rage at the mere mention of the word “God”. What do you think of the father if, knowing what he knew was going to happen, went ahead and had that child? No sane man would go ahead and bring a creature destined for misery into this world. Now God is supposed to be far and away better than mere earthly fathers, yet here I am, a miserable creature, acquainted with sorrow, despair, torment, frustration and stagnation, too fragile and too pathetic to prosper in this world. What is even more irritating is that this God who brought me into misery demands worship. I just wish God hadn’t existed or that there was a way to terminate his existence. Going thru life very poorly and inadequately equipped to face it leads to unecessary suffering, our smart God was wrong, heartless and dumb (in no particular order) to let me see the light of day. That is my sole complain. Fred, realize everyone is self-giving, Aleister Crowley was, Jeffrey Dahmer was, Mother Theresa was, Kenneth Anger is etc. I can’t give joy, serenity, peace, when way down inside I’m tormented, frustrated and desperate. People around me suffer the wrath that is due to God alone, no one on earth could ever hurt me or be any meaner to me than God, he’ s my all-time champion in that category. No matter how you cut it, a plan where potentially half of creation goes to hell is the plan of an idiot, anyone with half a brain would do better than that. “Idiot” and “tyrant” is a pretty bad combination. I’ve said it ad nauseam, we could have had a better God, he’s bottom-of-the-line deity. What a God to be stuck with…
 
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