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What heresy are we fighting when we say God suffered? And explain why he had to suffer please
It’s in the creed as a statement against *Patripassianism and Modalism. *While Jesus is one of the three in the trinity of God, God The father, and God the Holy Spirit did not suffer physically, only Jesus did.And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord; who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead, and buried; …
Why do you think it is a heresy?What heresy are we fighting when we say God suffered? And explain why he had to suffer please
I thought the Church teaches this in response to those heresy that taught Jesus did not have a divine natureWhy do you think it is a heresy?![]()
Oh… well in that case, the heresy that denies His divine personhood is Arianism. The problem with it is, if a mere human suffered for us, then we are still in our sins, for many other mere people did the same.I thought the Church teaches this in response to those heresy that taught Jesus did not have a divine nature
It would contradict any heresy that denies that Jesus is God, such as Arianism. It could also contradict Nestorianism, which states that Jesus’ divine and human natures were completely separate and it was possible to do something to His human nature, but not his Divine nature. For instance, Nestorians would claim that the Virgin Mary was not the mother of God, but of the human nature of Jesus. So a Nestorian could claim that God did not suffer, but only the human person Christ suffered.What heresy are we fighting when we say God suffered? And explain why he had to suffer please
This is the traditional ‘communication of idioms.’ This means that anything we can say about the human or divine nature of Jesus, we can attribute to His person. For instance, Jesus, in the flesh, was crucified. Hence we may say that Jesus was crucified. Now, ‘Jesus’ refers to the divine person, or the subject, and hence we can interchange this for any other term which picks out Jesus. For instance, we may say that “the Second Person of the Trinity” was crucified on the cross. This is a valid application of the communication of idioms.Check out what I found from the Catechism 468
After the Council of Chalcedon, some made of Christ’s human nature a kind of personal subject. Against them, the fifth ecumenical council, at Constantinople in 553, confessed that "there is but one hypostasis [or person], which is our Lord Jesus Christ, one of the Trinity."93 Thus everything in Christ’s human nature is to be attributed to his divine person as its proper subject, not only his miracles but also his sufferings and even his death: "He who was crucified in the flesh, our Lord Jesus Christ, is true God, Lord of glory, and one of the Holy Trinity."94