God the dictator or god the father?

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Really. Poles in the wrong angles in general (I prefer somewhere around maybe +/- 2/3*pi, giving a sufficient negative real component given the magnitude of the imaginary component but it’s been a while because I don’t keep up so that may not really be the best angle and certainly is something you need an engineer to determine.)

I mean, having the wrong gain in the forward and/or feedback loops, can give you such a right half plane root, and that has been known to cause everything from deafening feedback from the sound system, to exploding satellites.

A classic example of when somebody “follows the formula” but it turns out that whoops! In certain wind conditions, we get poles (roots to the denominator) in the Right Half Plane… The Tacoma Narrows Bridge.

Somebody needed to use a little more “expert” insight and a little less reliance on fatally simplistic applications of mathematical models. Turns out, in just the right wind conditions, the formulas broke down because of the location of the zero, on the complex plane, of the stability system of the bridge.

Here’s what we don’t want to do to sinners, because we missed the angle of one of the system poles:

Tacoma Narrows Bridge Collapse “Gallopin’ Gertie”

Oh wait. You said “computer engineer,” not an “electrical engineer” or “physicist.” Yeah, you sound like a digital guy. I bet you hide under a table if somebody asks you about “VSWR.” 😛

Then yes, for you, just follow the procedures and select the right options, maybe write a little code, and you will have the answer: is this sin mortal? Just apply the sticker “Not Calibrated – For Indication Only” and I’ll be fine. 👍

Computer engineers can digitize, store, recall, and signal process any shade of gray, but the problem is getting a reliable connection to the information source. Tell me whether a person feels guilty 7 v 6 on the scale of 1 to 10, does that fulfill the requirement for being contrite? Can we calibrate the sensor within 0.02% of the measurement value?

I suggest you expand your knowledge with a whole lot of physics and maybe some math, and you will enjoy your computer engineering even more than you do now. I can tell you really like your profession because you try to frame the things other people say into various models of thought. I like your process, just not your result. Why not? I think the result is limited. If you are Adam Smith, then I’m claiming to John Nash, and as he said at the beginning of a Beautiful Mind, “there has to be an equation for how bad your tie is.” 🤓

Hee hee just funning sort of, but honestly trying to give you some suggestions to help open “wineskins” of computer and digital-ish (dualistic) knowledge, and map it into some more touchy-feely zones like morals and guilt. You may end up like me, going back to school to learn psychology to see how others map from the lab world to the human world.

Peace,
MS
 
Sorry to burst your bubble, MS, but engineers use formula all the time. It would be stupid not to.

Now what WOULD be inappropriate is for the non-experts to start claiming that the engineering is wrong simply because they don’t agree with it.

Ohm’s Law to oppressive against electrons?, change it.
I want more power, so I’m going to declare that W=(1,732vPF)

Rather, we DO have the experts on Moral Theology and they too have defined the formulas.

The creation, like the computer, is complex under the covers, but can most certainly be used by small children up to elderly adults.

The same is true for the Catechism
 
Brendan said:
Sorry to burst your bubble, MS, but engineers use formula all the time. It would be stupid not to.

Now what WOULD be inappropriate is for the non-experts to start claiming that the engineering is wrong simply because they don’t agree with it.

Ohm’s Law to oppressive against electrons?, change it.
I want more power, so I’m going to declare that W=(1,732vPF)

Rather, we DO have the experts on Moral Theology and they too have defined the formulas.

The creation, like the computer, is complex under the covers, but can most certainly be used by small children up to elderly adults.

The same is true for the Catechism
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OK. So the Catechism is the cook book and the unambiguous all-cases-covered guide, no expertise needed to understand every single little nuance that may make the difference between eternal life and death. Because it’s so simple. All you have to do is get the books, and you never have to listen to a homily, you never have to read anything from the saints, and you never have to have a discussion with a priest.

Because you know the formula. And you know it for all cases, because you have the knowledge to apply the formulas and determine whether somebody is in a state of mortal sin based on your opinion that you are applying them correctly.

You should notify the Vatican that spiritual directors, canon lawyers, and all the apologists can go get a new job, because we have the formulas spelled out for us so clearly there is never any ambiguity.

Even a child can do it. See? 1 + 1 = 2, always right? My opinion doesn’t matter? Any grade schooler could do it? True, but any grade schooler who is actually paying attention knows, this is not always true even using standard and accepted grade school math. That doesn’t count “common core” which I neither understand nor endorse. I’m talking about “real” math – you know the kind I beat an entire archdiocese in when I was in 7th grade. That kind of math, if we’re going to flag around our credentials.

Which brings me to the question of how many post-graduate degrees in engineering do you have? My guess is, fewer than I do. How many classes in Solid State Physics have you taken, to use the “Einstein equation,” and others to figure out the minority charge carrier density at the p-n junction of any one of the billions of transistors in that computer you program? None you say? You think your stuff would even work if my stuff didn’t give it a platform on which to run? What would you do if you found out you have been buying products that failed due to an imperfect process, resulting in “purple plague”? What would you do if your gold contacts dissolved into the silicon – what sort of action would you take? How do you prevent cosmic rays from randomly changing the bits in high density memory systems, and how would you qualify new devices? Have you ever done a failure analysis on a satellite chip that failed, and traced it back to a worker sneezing on the assembly line and the failure made it through qual testing? What would you do – and by the way where in the chip was it – if you know about computer chips and their possible failure mechanisms, you will know the answer to this? I’ll give you a hint: it was a hermetic package or the question wouldn’t make any sense. Where would a tiny particle that got loose inside the chip end up? There is a right answer, and it’s because physics work in the most non-intuitive ways when they are small. If you can tell me in ten words or fewer, where that impurity is going to end up, I’ll quit trying to prove how uninformed you are and how many things you take for granted in your sterile little simplistic world where every problem has a closed form solution that it obvious because it is given – as you go on blindly using your alleged “engineering prowess” to claim that you now fully understand the process of judging souls.

Simple. Just follow the instructions, right?

You are like the teacher who says that because we don’t know how to do something, it either can’t be done, or at least doesn’t need to be done. No, no, I take that back. If we don’t know how to do something after actually reading the manual, then it can’t be done. No reason for customer support of 1-800-FORGIVE, or anything. If I don’t know something, it isn’t.

Because you know it all. No need for confessors. Just ask you, because your simple approach has favor and 100% alignment with God Himself.

I’m honored to share a thread with such an amazing person as you. I am not worthy to share the same Internet connection as your posts.

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The op makes an interesting case well worth looking into: that legalistic religious types portray God as a dictator, usually for their own means. These people use Scripture as a club with which to beat others into submission.

You can see by example the countless ‘is-breathing-a-sin’ threads, with enough people answering in the affirmative (and backing it up with their Scriptural bludgeons) that you begin to question whether you need to confess breathing as a sin.

Does this run people off religion? You bet.

But by now, this thread has dissolved into pointless bickering, and has strayed far off-topic.
 
LVCIVS DEI,

Blasphemers go to Hell, so please repent of your blasphemy. God is not a dictator, but a loving Father and Maker of every good thing that exists, just as the Scriptures says. God bless you.
 
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LVCIVS DEI,

Blasphemers go to Hell, so please repent of your blasphemy. God is not a dictator, but a loving Father and Maker of every good thing that exists, just as the Scriptures says. God bless you.
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I am not saying he is, i am just believe that proselytizing ppl and threatening them with hell in a angry tone will make him seem like one, and will only serve to drive them away from the faith.

And dont acuse me of anything.
You have NO right to judge me! :mad:
You are talking like an angry evangelical. 🤷
 
Sailor_Kenshin said:
The op makes an interesting case well worth looking into: that legalistic religious types portray God as a dictator, usually for their own means. These people use Scripture as a club with which to beat others into submission.

You can see by example the countless ‘is-breathing-a-sin’ threads, with enough people answering in the affirmative (and backing it up with their Scriptural bludgeons) that you begin to question whether you need to confess breathing as a sin.

Does this run people off religion? You bet.

But by now, this thread has dissolved into pointless bickering, and has strayed far off-topic.
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Well i feel like i am talking to a brick wall here… 🤷
 
Sailor_Kenshin said:
The op makes an interesting case well worth looking into: that legalistic religious types portray God as a dictator, usually for their own means. These people use Scripture as a club with which to beat others into submission.

You can see by example the countless ‘is-breathing-a-sin’ threads, with enough people answering in the affirmative (and backing it up with their Scriptural bludgeons) that you begin to question whether you need to confess breathing as a sin.

Does this run people off religion? You bet.

But by now, this thread has dissolved into pointless bickering, and has strayed far off-topic.
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Exactly!
 
Sailor_Kenshin said:
The op makes an interesting case well worth looking into: that legalistic religious types portray God as a dictator, usually for their own means. These people use Scripture as a club with which to beat others into submission.
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I like the way you worded this.

Another aspect of “God the dictator” I can see, is the idea that God is some sort of angry and intolerant driver of very specific behavior, anything else will be met with harsh consequences.

I think some can get this by, for example, OT accounts of God wiping out cities. Or wiping out almost all of humanity until at least he signed up for the rainbow deal, that no matter how depraved the world gets He won’t do another flood. Which means that for example, I don’t associate a hurricane with the percentage of gay marriages in the town where it hit, and make public satatements about whether the correlation was causal.

That’s why God decided to zap Himself into a format that humans would relate to – another human. Jesus showed the right way to relate to the Father. If you love Jesus, then you automatically love the Father. Don’t try to understand the Father, except through the Son, and you will see a way of seeing God as … welll…

I’ve said enough… I love this thread. I’m going to give it five stars as soon as I post this.

MS
 
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