God The Father; God The Spirit

[Bwtby]

I need help.

If Jesus called God a spirit in John 4:24, why would He be part of a Trinity? How is He another nature?

If God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent, and Jesus is telling us that God The Father is a spirit, doesn’t being a spirit imply he’s omnipresent, making him God the Father… Therefore calling him The Holy Spirit is referring to him as a different title and not a different nature.

I hope I’m making enough sense to get my point across.

 

[GEddie]

As I understand it, which I don’t completely; there are 3 “persons” in GOD; 2 are spirit, i.e., bodiless (but still as individual as you and me); while one is our LORD, Jesus, a human being with fully assembled soul and body, and fully divine person.

The fact that the nonhuman parts of the Trinity are “pure spirit” does not make them the same, only united. God the Father sends forth the Spirit, according to scripture.

ICXC NIKA.

 

[Scoobyshme]

I need help.

If Jesus called God a spirit in John 4:24, why would He be part of a Trinity? How is He another nature?

If God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent, and Jesus is telling us that God The Father is a spirit, doesn’t being a spirit imply he’s omnipresent, making him God the Father… Therefore calling him The Holy Spirit is referring to him as a different title and not a different nature.

I hope I’m making enough sense to get my point across.

Are you talking about the Mystery of Unity, whereby, wherever we find One Person of the Holy Trinity, we necessarily, and always, find the other Two?

God is completely united, even though there are three distinct Divine Persons. It is a mystery that we will never fully understand this side of heaven. Not to worry, though. All we’re required to do is give our complete religious assent to all of the Church’s teachings, regardless of whether we fully understand them or not. As St. Anselm said, “We should not seek understanding in order to believe, but believe in order to understand.” Our eyes of faith are enlightened when we give religious assent to Christ’s teachings, which are given us through His Church, the Catholic Church.

 

[GEddie]

I need help.

If Jesus called God a spirit in John 4:24, why would He be part of a Trinity? How is He another nature?

If God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent, and Jesus is telling us that God The Father is a spirit, doesn’t being a spirit imply he’s omnipresent,

Spirit does not imply omnipresence; it just means not having a body.

And Omnipresence doesn’t mean another spiritual “person” can’t be co-omnipresent. AIUI.

ICXC NIKA

 

[Contarini]

I need help.

If Jesus called God a spirit in John 4:24, why would He be part of a Trinity? How is He another nature?

If God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent, and Jesus is telling us that God The Father is a spirit, doesn’t being a spirit imply he’s omnipresent, making him God the Father… Therefore calling him The Holy Spirit is referring to him as a different title and not a different nature.

I hope I’m making enough sense to get my point across.

I’m not sure I get your point. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit have one nature. That nature is a spiritual nature–it does not pertain to the divine nature per se to have a body (though the Second Person of the Trinity of course has a body). That is how orthodox Christians understand the claim that “God is Spirit.” When we speak of one of the Persons as the “Holy Spirit,” we are speaking of God’s non-corporeal “breath,” which many theologians understand as the eternal outpouring of God’s love (first of all for Himself and then extended to creatures in the act of creation (hence perhaps the reference to God’s Spirit brooding over chaos in Genesis 1). This “breath” is personal and is thus itself one of the Persons of the Blessed Trinity.

Aquinas has some good comments on the distinction between calling God a holy Spirit and speaking of the Person of the Holy Spirit.

Edwin

 

[Bwtby]

God the Father sends forth the Spirit, according to scripture.

But see how this doesn’t make sense. How does he send forth the Spirit, when Jesus says to us, He is spirit.

Are you talking about the Mystery of Unity, whereby, wherever we find One Person of the Holy Trinity, we necessarily, and always, find the other Two?

God is completely united, even though there are three distinct Divine Persons. It is a mystery that we will never fully understand this side of heaven. Not to worry, though. All we’re required to do is give our complete religious assent to all of the Church’s teachings, regardless of whether we fully understand them or not. As St. Anselm said, “We should not seek understanding in order to believe, but believe in order to understand.” Our eyes of faith are enlightened when we give religious assent to Christ’s teachings, which are given us through His Church, the Catholic Church.

But then it looks like we are weak minded, blind people.

Thanks to all for the replies though.