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:clapping:Well, the Reformed ones did.
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From the first century? Not likely. He would’ve been satisfied with the 10th century.
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SyroMalankara
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Luther:
michaelspotts.com/post/11374008340/martin-luthers-supernatural-vision-of-christ
That’s not the case from the few leaders I’ve discussed the issue with, they keep citing the “love” commands and interpret the Sodom story different that the historic church.
Isn’t this the same thing Zwingli, Calvin, etc did when reinterpreting the Bible according to their theology?
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This is not a new idea. Julian of Norwich spike if toys, as referenced on the Vatican website:
a/spirit/documents/spirit_20010807_giuliana-norwich_en.html
She also discussed suckling from Christ (metaphorically, I’m sure, from her vision).
a/spirit/documents/spirit_20010807_giuliana-norwich_en.html
She also discussed suckling from Christ (metaphorically, I’m sure, from her vision).
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Primary sources.
Even if accurate, it’s not in the same category, as no wacky new dogma or theological movement came from it.
Nope. That they choose to ignore portions of Scripture in favor of others has zilch to do with the authority of Scripture or what it teaches. A bad interpretation of God’s word does not invalidate God’s word anymore than a bad interpretation of church teaching (i.e., sedevacantism; liberal interpreters of Vatican II) invalidates church teaching. The fact of the matter, though, is those denominations as a whole have long ago jettisoned biblical authority and inerrancy.
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Right…he wanted to restore something…according to what he himself wanted,either 1st or 10th century…so it is not very dissimilar to the claims of the Restorationists.
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Yes, restore the church to a period of time when it wasn’t corrupted by the theological errors of his time. How horrid.
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From what I have found, her college is Baptist. She is probably a femenist if she is refering to God as mother.
Though yes, God does not have a gender because he is spirit, he has revealed himself as a male. You can, I suppose, call God, “mother.” But I would rather refer to him as Father, because that is how he revealed himself to us. God also incarnated as a man, Jesus. God prefers to be acknowledge in male terms.
God bless.
Though yes, God does not have a gender because he is spirit, he has revealed himself as a male. You can, I suppose, call God, “mother.” But I would rather refer to him as Father, because that is how he revealed himself to us. God also incarnated as a man, Jesus. God prefers to be acknowledge in male terms.
God bless.
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I was visited the other day by a young husband and wife who wanted to do the same thing. They were from the World Mission Society Church of God, a religion that originated from South Korea.
This religion believes that there is a “God the Mother,” and they use texts such as Genesis 1:26-27 where God says he will make man in “our image,” and then proceeds to make them “male and female.” They reason that the word “our” along with the fact that a man and woman were made “proves” that there is a God the Mother since the creation of a woman means God possesses the “image” of female anatomy.
This religion believes that God the Mother is the source of salvation today and are going door to door sharing their message. They run a college-like center known as Elohim Training Institute.
While this may not be the same people you encountered, I don’t know of any “Elohim Bible College” of Baptist origin going door to door and talking to people about “God the Mother” except for this group. Along with other strange ideas, the group believes that a man named Ahn Sahng-hong was the Second Coming of Jesus, even though he died in 1985. They also claim that the Nazi Holocaust was God’s punishment on the Jewish people.
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She may have said Elohim Training Center although I think she said something about it being a Bible College.
What you have written about this group is what I have researched so far. They believe that salvation is now given to us by “God the Mother”.
This is the second time that I was visited by this group. The first time was about 9 months ago and the man at my door seemed very upset that I didn’t want to hear him out. He said that, “next time someone comes to tell you about God the Mother you need to listen because this message is VERY important!!!”
Needless to say I was very freaked out by his mannerism and content so I tried to get him to leave quickly.
The young lady yesterday seemed calm and nice and she mentioned the Bible (which the other guy never said anything about) so I wanted to know more about what she would have told me.
From what has been shared here and what I’ve found on the net about this group it seems like I would need to have some good questions to ask them for them to even start to look at where they are getting their “truth” from.
What you have written about this group is what I have researched so far. They believe that salvation is now given to us by “God the Mother”.
This is the second time that I was visited by this group. The first time was about 9 months ago and the man at my door seemed very upset that I didn’t want to hear him out. He said that, “next time someone comes to tell you about God the Mother you need to listen because this message is VERY important!!!”
Needless to say I was very freaked out by his mannerism and content so I tried to get him to leave quickly.
The young lady yesterday seemed calm and nice and she mentioned the Bible (which the other guy never said anything about) so I wanted to know more about what she would have told me.
From what has been shared here and what I’ve found on the net about this group it seems like I would need to have some good questions to ask them for them to even start to look at where they are getting their “truth” from.
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Yep, it sounds like you are dealing with the World Mission Society Church of God. The ones I talked with acted the same way, and were even insulting when they found out I was of Jewish ancestry and could read Hebrew (I pointed out that they way they were using Genesis was incorrect due to how it reads in Hebrew).
That is how I found out about their views about the Jews. They were very rude to me from that point on, even though I am a Catholic, and talked to me as a “Christ killer” because of my Jewish heritage who deserved the horrors of the Holocaust to be visited upon me and my family who died during that period. They even seemed happy to be mean to me and didn’t care when I said I found them insulting.
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What a delightful bunch… 
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These people sound odd, to put it kindly, but “God the Mother” as a concept is actually not as wacky as you’d think. (St. ?) Julian of Norwich, a medieval mystic, wrote extensively about the maternity of God.
In “Revelations of Divine Love,” she writes: “Jesus Christ therefore, who himself overcame evil with good, is our true Mother. We received our ‘Being’ from Him * and this is where His Maternity starts * And with it comes the gentle Protection and Guard of Love which will never ceases to surround us.”
It’s actually a very beautiful idea and one that deserve better than whatever this group was advocating.
In “Revelations of Divine Love,” she writes: “Jesus Christ therefore, who himself overcame evil with good, is our true Mother. We received our ‘Being’ from Him * and this is where His Maternity starts * And with it comes the gentle Protection and Guard of Love which will never ceases to surround us.”
It’s actually a very beautiful idea and one that deserve better than whatever this group was advocating.
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With a bit of the Shakers thrown in for good measure; they believed that their founder, “Mother” Ann Lee was the female equivalent of Jesus with her being the cause of salvation for women.Per wikipedia:
“Ahn and his mother lived in Japan over a nine year period. He returned to Korea in 1946, after the war, and began attending the local congregation of the Seventh-day Adventist Church in Incheon in 1947. Sources from the World Mission Society Church of God claim that it is during this time period that Ahn was baptized in 1948.[10] Ahn reported getting revelations in 1953,”
Oh boy!!!
Apparently the roots are SDA restorationist. Restorationist+Visions
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Sola Fide is not a new dogma? the pope as Anti christ? This was not heard of prior to Luther, or he just came up with his own definition…
Yep…and the church has acknowledge them and reformed itself. The difference i see is no Lutheran, as far as I can tell, has ever acknowledged their own faults in the split at the Reformation.
So the reformers, including Luther, infallible in their interpretations then?
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