God will spew the lukewarm out of his mouth

[livingwordunity]

I interpret the lukewarm as people who claim to be Catholic (or Christian) but who only accept God on their terms. In other words, cafeteria Catholics. This can also apply to some Protestants who, having only the Bible, reject the parts of God’s word that they don’t like.

“If I say to the wicked, `You shall surely die,’ and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, in order to save his life, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at your hand.” - Ezekiel 3:18

“So, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth.” - Revelation 3:16

“Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error…Though they know God’s decree that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do them but approve those who practice them.”

• Romans 1:24-27

“But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of stress. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, inhuman, implacable, slanderers, profligates, fierce, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding the form of religion but denying the power of it. Avoid such people. For among them are those who make their way into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and swayed by various impulses, who will listen to anybody and can never arrive at a knowledge of the truth.” - 2 Timothy 3:1-7

 

[Lancer]

Or we could take Abraham’s approach…lukewarm , yes, but more importantly brothers and sisters in Christ…the Body of Christ…Yes. (a “70 x 7” drill)…we need to fight for them in prayer, fasting and alms giving…penance for their conversion…because in essence we are them…probably worse…but we have received a super abundance of grace due to circumstances beyond our understanding…(name removed by moderator)ut…control. Besides, in a very self-serving way…if they get spewed out…the righteous will suffer greatly also…God always seems to make even the righteous suffer for/with the sinner…no one is truly innocent when some go lukewarm…and God knows that as well as he knows the lukewarm.

Pax Christi

Genesis 18: 16-33 (NIV-1984)

Abraham Pleads for Sodom

20 Then the Lord said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous 21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.”

22 The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the Lord.[e] 23 Then Abraham approached him and said: “Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? 24** What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away and not spare[f] the place for the sake of the fifty righteous people in it?** 25 Far be it from you to do such a thing —to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge[g] of all the earth do right?”

26 The Lord said, “If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake. ”

27 Then Abraham spoke up again: “Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes, 28 what if the number of the righteous is five less than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city because of five people?”

“If I find **forty-five **there,” he said, “I will not destroy it.”

29 Once again he spoke to him, “What if only forty are found there?”

He said, “For the sake of** forty**, I will not do it.”

30 Then he said, “May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak. What if only thirty can be found there?”

He answered, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.”

31 Abraham said, “Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, what if only twenty can be found there?”

He said, “For the sake of twenty, I will not destroy it.”

32 Then he said, “May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?”

He answered, “For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it.”

33** When the Lord had finished speaking with Abraham, he left, and Abraham returned home**.

 

[livingwordunity]

We can pray for others and for ourselves, but according to Sacred Scripture there’s still the lukewarm who God spews out from his mouth on Judgment Day. Another word that can be substituted for lukewarm is relativism. And relativism is the religion of the left.

 

[White_Peony]

Those who are indifferent, yes…

 

[livingwordunity]

“I’m personally opposed but …” - common lukewarm phrase

 

[Non_sum_dignus]

That’s certainly one take on it. I’ve found a dazzling variety of ways of remaining lukewarm without rejecting any moral or doctrinal tenets of the faith in my own life, though.

 

[Pug]

from Catechism 2094

• *lukewarmness *is hesitation or negligence in responding to divine love; it can imply refusal to give oneself over to the prompting of charity.

As Non sum dignus pointed out, there are a staggering number of ways to hesitate in our response to divine love. Say I am prompted to stay a few more minutes in grateful prayer after mass and I notice the impulse and simply prefer to go home and put my feet up. Sigh. I don’t think that is always lukewarm, but if God had been prompting me, then it is.

 

[Nelka]

Divine Mercy Novena - ninth day.

Today bring to Me souls who have become lukewarm, and immerse them in the abyss of My mercy. These souls wound My Heart most painfully. My soul suffered the most dreadful loathing in the Garden of Olives because of lukewarm souls. They were the reason I cried out: ‘Father, take this cup away from Me, if it be Your will.’ For them, the last hope of salvation is to run to My mercy.

St. Fautina Diary.

1717 Today, I was talking with the Lord, and He said to me, There are souls with whom I can do nothing. They are souls that are continuously observing others, but know nothing of what is going on within their own selves. They talk about others continually, even during times of grand silence, which is reserved for speaking only with Me. Poor souls, they do not hear My words; their interior remains empty. They do not look for Me within their own hearts, but in idle talk, where I am never to be found. They sense their emptiness, but they do not recognize their own guilt, while souls in whom I reign completely are a constant source of remorse to them. Instead of correcting themselves, their hearts swell with envy, and if they do not come to their senses, they plunge in even deeper. A heart, which thus far is envious, now begins to be filled with hate. And they are already at the edge of the precipice. They are jealous of my gifts in other souls, but they themselves are unable and unwilling to accept them.

 

[Nelka]

Slumped in church not wanting to be there but feeling like you should be.

 

[livingwordunity]

from Catechism 2094

• *lukewarmness *is hesitation or negligence in responding to divine love; it can imply refusal to give oneself over to the prompting of charity.

As Non sum dignus pointed out, there are a staggering number of ways to hesitate in our response to divine love. Say I am prompted to stay a few more minutes in grateful prayer after mass and I notice the impulse and simply prefer to go home and put my feet up. Sigh. I don’t think that is always lukewarm, but if God had been prompting me, then it is.

Just as there are venial and mortal sins, I think there are different levels of lukewarmness - gray areas such as not praying for as long as we could have prayed vs clearly grave lukewarmness such as obstinate rejection of Church authority and teachings of the Church while still calling oneself “Catholic”.

 

[Nine_Two]

One common interpretation is in light of the nearby geography. Nearby Hieropolis was known for the healing powers of its hotsprings, meanwhile Sardis had delicious cold water. Laodicea, however, had only lukewarm water which was useless by comparison. In effect Christ is saying if you’re useless, he’ll spit you out.

 

[Petersmate]

I interpret the lukewarm as people who claim to be Catholic (or Christian) but who only accept God on their terms. In other words, cafeteria Catholics. This can also apply to some Protestants who, having only the Bible, reject the parts of God’s word that they don’t like.

You didn’t mention Atheists Agnostics Pantheists etc.

they are like a house without a foundation and when the rains come… Luke 6 - 49

I would have to say that all Protestants reject John chapter 6.

 

[Petersmate]

“Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error…Though they know God’s decree that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do them but approve those who practice them.”

• Romans 1:24-27

I have children that are gay it saddens me deeply only prayer can save them.

 

[livingwordunity]

I have children that are gay it saddens me deeply only prayer can save them.

We all struggle with sin, and we all need to be saved from the bondage of sin. There’s a saying that goes “God loves us as we are, but he loves us too much to want us to stay that way.” Sin kills our relationship with God. It’s a rejection of his love. We can’t overcome sin on our own. We need God’s saving grace which he gave to us through Jesus’ death on the cross and the sacraments of the Church. But God also wants us to be involved with him in helping with the spiritual health of others, so we pray for each other. If we die in a state of grace we will never be tempted by sin again. Sex in our culture is way over emphasized since there’s no sex in Heaven, and this life is very short compared to the eternal state of our soul.

 

[mytruepower2]

I interpret the lukewarm as people who claim to be Catholic (or Christian) but who only accept God on their terms. In other words, cafeteria Catholics. This can also apply to some Protestants who, having only the Bible, reject the parts of God’s word that they don’t like.

“If I say to the wicked, `You shall surely die,’ and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, in order to save his life, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at your hand.” - Ezekiel 3:18

“So, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth.” - Revelation 3:16

“Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error…Though they know God’s decree that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do them but approve those who practice them.”

• Romans 1:24-27

“But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of stress. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, inhuman, implacable, slanderers, profligates, fierce, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding the form of religion but denying the power of it. Avoid such people. For among them are those who make their way into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and swayed by various impulses, who will listen to anybody and can never arrive at a knowledge of the truth.” - 2 Timothy 3:1-7

I agree. That’s exactly what lukewarm means. It means accepting some things (like “for God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son,”) while rejecting others (like “unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you have no life within you.”)

By this definition, I would divide Catholics into three camps; those who know the truth, but refuse to follow all of it (apostates,) those who don’t know the full truth, so they can’t follow all of it (the ignorant,) and those who know the truth and follow it to the best of their ability (faithful sinners.)

Protestants, I would argue, exist in both of the first two categories, although if they existed in the third, they’d be Catholics.

 

[teeboy]

Ii’d say lukewarm is venial sin and not doing God’s will

 

[Pug]

Just as there are venial and mortal sins, I think there are different levels of lukewarmness - gray areas such as not praying for as long as we could have prayed vs clearly grave lukewarmness such as obstinate rejection of Church authority and teachings of the Church while still calling oneself “Catholic”.

I agree that unchecked spiritual lukewarmness can slowly eat it all away, even down to our faith, and could lead to denial of truths of the faith. That is very grave.

I tend to view the sin of lukewarmness as more against the virtue of charity than against faith, but that is a classification scheme, and not so important. Our spiritual welfare is what matters. Lukewarmness must be contended with and defeated. Incredulity must be defeated as well.

 

[livingwordunity]

I agree that unchecked spiritual lukewarmness can slowly eat it all away, even down to our faith, and could lead to denial of truths of the faith. That is very grave.

I tend to view the sin of lukewarmness as more against the virtue of charity than against faith, but that is a classification scheme, and not so important. Our spiritual welfare is what matters. Lukewarmness must be contended with and defeated. Incredulity must be defeated as well.

There are two aspects of charity, spiritual and corporal works of mercy. Because liberal cafeteria Catholic’s view of the Church is a lot more secular than spiritual they neglect the spiritual aspects of charity by their rejection of the spiritual truths of the faith which is still a kind of lukewarmness against the virtue of charity. Since they are in serious spiritual error with regard to the faith they can’t share the truth of the gospel since they can’t give what they don’t have. It’s like when Satan told Jesus to use his power to turn stones into bread while he was fasting. Jesus’ response to Satan was, “It is written, `Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’” (Matt. 4:4)

 

[Pug]

There are two aspects of charity, spiritual and corporal works of mercy. Because liberal cafeteria Catholic’s view of the Church is a lot more secular than spiritual they neglect the spiritual aspects of charity by their rejection of the spiritual truths of the faith which is still a kind of lukewarmness against the virtue of charity. Since they are in serious spiritual error with regard to the faith they can’t share the truth of the gospel since they can’t give what they don’t have. It’s like when Satan told Jesus to use his power to turn stones into bread while he was fasting. Jesus’ response to Satan was, “It is written, `Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’” (Matt. 4:4)

Ah. You are thinking of “instruct the ignorant and admonish the sinner” etc. Yes, some of us truly fall down on those, perhaps to the point of no longer even recognizing that they are acts of love. I certainly would have thought those were wrong to do back when my mind was more thoroughly secular. (the secular imprint is perniciously difficult to eradicate, sort of like kudzu or creeping charlie).

Also, I think a person who only rarely attends mass is is a bad position to encourage and support others in attending mass and the like. If we want to be of more help to our brothers, we need to be faithful in these basic actions. I mention that because I would be inclined to call “lukewarm” the failure to attend mass.

But I can also see how if one has lost sight of what Jesus did, taken their eyes off all that love, then it can be hard to care enough to obey in difficult matters. We need to help each other know nothing but “Jesus Christ and him crucified”. Have I done anything today to show the Lord my love?

:knight2: TORPOR:knight2:

 

[fred_conty]

If prayer moves mountains then prayer can also move a lukewarm heart.

If Mary gave birth to Jesus in cold stable, she can also give birth to him again in a cold heart.

Mary appeared and spoke with Sister Justine Bisqueyburu, a
Daughter of Charity of St. Vincent de Paul, in 1840, about a green scapular.

Mary herself made certain promises to those who would keep the scapular on them,
wear or carry it, and would say a certain prayer everyday, and believe that
Mary would obtain those favors from her Son. Here are the favors she promised:

1. Conversion of those who do not have the faith
2. Reconciliation to the Church for those who have lost/strayed from the faith
3. Assurance of a happy death
4. Strengthening of the faith for those already in the Church
5. Protection from Satan for those who wear or promote the scapular

This is the very answer to helping the lukewarm.

Here are the very words of Mary to Sister Justine:
“The GREATEST graces come from using the scapular but these graces come
in direct proportion to the degree of CONFIDENCE IN ME which the user has.”
This user is the one who gave the scapular.

What does confidence mean? Mary showed this herself at the annunciation of Gabriel.
“Yes, blessed is she who BELIEVED that the PROMISE made her by the Lord would be FULFILLED.”
(Lk. 1;45) St. Elizabeth extolling the absolute trust of Mary in God’s promise. Mary believed without doubt that it would happen as the angel said it would.

Mary didn’t say when the change would happen, just that she promised it would happen.

1. Wear or carry the scapular
2. To help another, place it in their vicinity (i.e. their room, wallet, purse, or the house,car).
3. Pray, at least daily: “Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us now and at the hour of our death.”
4. The prayer should be said for oneself and separately for each person to whom it has been given (unless they pray it themselves - risky with the lukewarm)
5. No enrollment of any kind is necessary, but each scapular should be blessed by a priest
   (general blessing of sacramentals)
6. Have the strongest possible trust in Mary’s promise. Just believe she will keep what she promised.

You may get a free one by googling “Green Scapular”. Get one for yourself as well.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=620449
(From an atheist)
How did you come to embrace Catholicism?
Strangely enough, it was the Blessed Virgin Mary. That friend of mine had sneakily
snuck in a scapular under my mattress. I didn’t know until about 1 year into my
conversion. I imagine that she had something to do with it. I think it was the
green scapular.