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[Kev]

Steven Merten:

Hello Kevin,

Thanks for visiting I Love You, God!

I think it would be unlikely that God destroyed the world with the flood in order to prove to Noah that He was God. Noah already believed in God and the rest of the people were dead and could not appreciate what God had done if God had destroyed everyone to prove something.

God desires that the world produce the fruit of love for God through obedience to God. God sometimes plows under and replants like the flood and sometimes God simply hoes the garden by the sword so it will produce the fruit of the Kingdom of God.

So do you think that Jesus would never kill because he did not kill during His 33 years in the flesh? Does not the Father go for centuries or even milleniums without killing someone? Is it really fair to separate Jesus from all the wrath and destruction Jesus dishes out in Revelations?

NAB REV 19:14The armies of heaven were behind him riding white hroses and dressed in fine linen, pure and white. Out of his mouth came a sharp sword for striking down the nations. He will shepherd them with and iron rod; it is he who will tread out the winepress the blazing wrath of God the Almighty.

Steven,

I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said “Who Would Jesus Bomb?” and I thought, why nobody, of course. Jesus is love incarnate.

You’ve reminded me that Jesus would “bomb”, will “bomb” Satan and all of the evil that ever was on that victorious last day!

Thanks.

Kevin

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[Jim_Baur]

Hear and you will see.

In other words, if one believes, then one will know.

That knowledge will grow into understanding.

Knowledge will grow into wisdom.

Believing will cause seeing (believing is seeing…!).

One cannot know and then get faith.

However, faith does make our knowledge grow.

They have eyes, but do not see. They have ears, but do not hear.

In other words, believe that God’s providence is in the O. T., and then you will begin to know and understand His providence.

 

[Steven_Merten]

Kev ><>:

Steven,

I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said “Who Would Jesus Bomb?” and I thought, why nobody, of course. Jesus is love incarnate.

You’ve reminded me that Jesus would “bomb”, will “bomb” Satan and all of the evil that ever was on that victorious last day!

Thanks.

Kevin

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Hello Kevin,

I would think that Church anathema (papal use of the Christ given Keys to the Kingdom to bind sin) is like Jesus droping the bomb on someone. The Pope calls in the coordinates and infinte death, spiritual death, falls upon the targeted individual from heaven. Lest the target repents and has the Church absolve the anathema (papal use of the Christ given Keys to the Kingdom to loost sin).

What do you think?

AnathemaIn passing this sentence, the pontiff is vested in amice, stole, and a violet cope, wearing his mitre, and assisted by twelve priests clad in their surplices and holding lighted candles. He takes his seat in front of the altar or in some other suitable place, amid pronounces the formula of anathema which ends with these words: “Wherefore in the name of God the All-powerful, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, of the Blessed Peter, Prince of the Apostles, and of all the saints, in virtue of the power which has been given us of binding and loosing in Heaven and on earth, we deprive N-- himself and all his accomplices and all his abettors of the Communion of the Body and Blood of Our Lord, we separate him from the society of all Christians, we exclude him from the bosom of our Holy Mother the Church in Heaven and on earth, we declare him excommunicated and anathematized and we judge him condemned to eternal fire with Satan and his angels and all the reprobate, so long as he will not burst the fetters of the demon, do penance and satisfy the Church; we deliver him to Satan to mortify his body, that his soul may be saved on the day of judgment.”

He who dares to despise our decision, let him be stricken with anathema maranatha, i.e. may he be damned at the coming of the Lord, may he have his place with Judas Iscariot, he and his companions.

Quoted from New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia. newadvent.org/cathen/01455e.htm

NAB MAT 16:13Jesus replied, “Blest are you, Simon son of John! No mere man has revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. I for my part declare to you, you are ‘Rock,’ and on this rock I will build my church, and the jaws of death shall not prevail against it. I will entrust to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you declare bound on earth shall be bound in heaven; whatever you declare loosed on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” Then he strictly ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.**NAB REV 1:16 **A sharp, two-edged sword came out of his mouth, and his face shone like the sun at its brightest. When I caught sight of him I fell down at his feet as though dead, he touched me with his right hand and said: “There is nothing to fear. I am the First and the Last and the One who lives. Once I was dead but now I live-- forever and ever. I hold the keys of death and the nether world.”

**NAB ISA 11:4 The Rule of Immanuel **

He shall strike the ruthless with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips he shall slay the wicked.

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[Mystophilus]

Kev ><>:

I’ve got a lot of studying to do, too. One thing I’ve learned in this class is that I don’t know very much!

By learning that, you have achieved a critical level of self-knowledge which too few people ever reach.

 

[mspencer]

The only thing that I can do for my part is simply to see what the Bible says what God and Jesus are like without reading into the Old and New Testaments what I think instead they should be like. Both the Old and New Testmants emphasize God’s love and mercy, but at the same time both of them speak pointedly about God’s anger against sin and evil. One picture that comes into my mind is Jesus standing on a hill looking at Jerusalem and mourning that it will be destroyed because it rejected himself, the Messiah. Lately I have been thinking that some of the hate people felt for him came from what he said. One time to their face he called pharisees whitened sepulchres. That is, he told them that their souls were like tombs, which look all-right on the outside, but are corrupt within, the corruption like that of a decaying corpse. He said other such things to men right to their face, though of course this is not the only side of Jesus. Yet while there are things that are far stronger, such as the entire book of Revelatilon, God’s mercy and love is the important message, just as it is in the Old Testament.
Generally, I don’t think that the Old Testaments and the New Testament actually do provide a different picture of God. Still to my own mind there is still something to be explained, and that I haven’t entirely answereed the difficulty raised by the first post. God commending the Israellites to go and wipe out the population of a city? Nothing like this has happened under the new dispensation brought about by Christ. I think though that one or two of these posts can help me understand this better. I can’t accept however, that the Old Testament has wrong ideas about God, and I am willing to live with mystery. I think that there are some things about the Bible that no one will understand well, so I am in no hurry to fully understand such a matter.