Godparents, You're Fired!

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Can you ‘fire’ your child’s Godparents? If you determine your child’s Godparents have become unfit to perform that role, can you replace them? Along the same vein, if they are now separated by great distances, can they also be replaced?

We’re fortunate to have GREAT Godparents for our child, but what about those who don’t?
 
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cargopilot:
Can you ‘fire’ your child’s Godparents? If you determine your child’s Godparent’s have become unfit to perform that role, can you replace them? Along the same vein, if they are now separated by great distances, can they also be replaced?

We’re fortunate to have GREAT Godparents for our child, but what about those who don’t?
Forgive me but I’m never sure what the point of ‘firing’ Godparents is. If they are not good Catholic witnesses then have the kids hang out with people who are. There’s no need to fire the originals since it seems they have already made the implicit choice to quit.

As I understand the Church provides no means to replace Godparents officially.

And obviously parents can designate anyone they want to care for their children if they die. That’s not the point of Godparents anyway.
 
Since Godparents are witnesses to a child’s baptism, they canot be replaced…as someone cannot be a witness to something that has already passes. That being said, if they are unfit there is nothing that says that they must be a part of a child’s life. Suitable other influences can certainly be found.
 
Oh wouldn’t I like to! We enlisted my hubby’s sister as a godparent to our baby, only to find out 8 mos. later that she has been fallen away from the church since even before then. Now, she is doing openly anti-Catholic things and it really infuriates me. When we asked (she knows how devoted we are to the Church) why didn’t she let us know that she wasn’t a practicing Catholic anymore? :mad:

Well, the good part is that the baby’s godfather is a very devout Catholic, so hopefully he can make up the difference! :rolleyes:
 
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Since Godparents are witnesses to a child’s baptism, they canot be replaced…as someone cannot be a witness to something that has already passes. That being said, if they are unfit there is nothing that says that they must be a part of a child’s life. Suitable other influences can certainly be found.
I see. It is to witness the child’s baptism, so of course they couldn’t be replaced. I always thought they were more to help ensure the Catholic formation of the child, if the parents died. Is this not true?
 
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cargopilot:
I see. It is to witness the child’s baptism, so of course they couldn’t be replaced. I always thought they were more to help ensure the Catholic formation of the child, if the parents died. Is this not true?
Yes. The formation part is true. But it’s not only if the parents were to die. They ideally help in the formation of a child who’s parents are still living.
 
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cargopilot:
I see. It is to witness the child’s baptism, so of course they couldn’t be replaced. I always thought they were more to help ensure the Catholic formation of the child, if the parents died. Is this not true?
Well, I am not so sure about the witness part, because you can have “proxy godparents” stand in and “witness” the baptism for the official godparents you have chosen, in case the official one(s) cannot be present. This is what I did for my daughter. You don’t need witnesses to a baptism like you do for a wedding. Godparents are to be a faithful witness to faith for the child, as you said, to help ensure the Catholic formation.
 
My daughter’s original godfather not only left his lovely wife, my very best friend in the whole wide world (and my daughter’s godmother). He had the audacity to become a Mormon!

When my friend got her anullment and married somebody who appreciated her much, much more, and I saw that he was a man who would make a good godfather, I asked him to be my daughter’s godfather. I then wrote the military ordinariate (archdiocese for the military) and requested that this excellent example of Catholic manhood be substituted as her godfather. I was sent a corrected certificate, which read “Great Guy for Big Jerk” (made up names obviously), and also changed my friend’s last name from “Jerk” to “Guy”.
 
They serve as witnesses to a baptism, but they are also chosen based on their ability to help form the child’s faith. So they cannot be literally replaced, but they can definitely be “taken out of the game”.

EDIT I’m not choosing my words very well tonight. It’s been a trying day, my best friend had her identity stolen today, so I have been running around doing damage control with her. Perhaps someone can explain it better. I know what I’m trying to say, but I seem to be having an awefully hard time expressing what I’m thinking right now. Apologies.
 
On another note, as a godparent what do you do if the child’s parents are no longer practicing Catholics? I feel like there is nothing for me to support. Any thoughts? :confused:
 
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Hope75:
On another note, as a godparent what do you do if the child’s parents are no longer practicing Catholics? I feel like there is nothing for me to support. Any thoughts? :confused:
Good question. I would be interested in the answer as well.

I would assume that you would have to cooperate with the child’s parents. If the parents don’t want you to continue helping the child learn and live the faith then should you respect that?

Or are there little things you can and should still do?

Malia
 
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Hope75:
On another note, as a godparent what do you do if the child’s parents are no longer practicing Catholics? I feel like there is nothing for me to support. Any thoughts? :confused:
Well, your options are limited…

If you live close by and the parents don’t mind, you could take the child to Mass and arrange for religious education classes. But if you don’t live nearby, if the child won’t cooperate and/or if the parents don’t care you may need to take a more indirect approach.

You can always be good example. Send religious cards and gifts on birthdays, sacrament days, and holidays. You may not see the fruits until the child is grown but at least you will have planted the seeds.

And of course, pray, pray, pray…
 
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My daughter’s original godfather not only left his lovely wife, my very best friend in the whole wide world (and my daughter’s godmother). He had the audacity to become a Mormon!

When my friend got her anullment and married somebody who appreciated her much, much more, and I saw that he was a man who would make a good godfather, I asked him to be my daughter’s godfather. I then wrote the military ordinariate (archdiocese for the military) and requested that this excellent example of Catholic manhood be substituted as her godfather. I was sent a corrected certificate, which read “Great Guy for Big Jerk” (made up names obviously), and also changed my friend’s last name from “Jerk” to “Guy”.
Really! So, it was just that easy? I have more than a few friends who would be happy, no THRILLED, to hear that.

Did you have to do anything else, or was it all just paperwork to redesignate “Great Guy” as the new Godparent? Was there a ceremony? Did “Big Jerk” have to know anything?

Dear burbs, I’m sorry to barrage you with questions, but you’ve actually done it, and I really want to know more. Thank you for your help.
 
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As I understand the Church provides no means to replace Godparents officially. . . .
And obviously parents can designate anyone they want to care for their children if they die. That’s not the point of Godparents anyway.
True, the sponsors at the time of baptism become part of the official record as established fact. They have already discharged the duty of presenting, with the parents, the child for baptism, and that fact has been recorded(c. 872§1).

After baptism, sponsors are to help the baptized person lead a Christian life in keeping with it and being faithful to its obligations (c. 872§2). They are not seen as having any role beyond that, though, civilly, the parents might be able to designate them as guardians of the child(ren) if they should die or become incapacitated. But that point is for a civil lawyer to address.

Exercising the office of parents, which is a true state in the Church, parents can certainly designate others for the duty of canon 872§2. But that would not recorded in the baptismal registry. Only things that affect the legal status of a person in the Church are, such as the completion of initiation by confirmation and “first” Communion, admission to the clerical state, marriage and nullity of marriage, entrance into consecrated life. Changes and notations apart from those would usually only be made upon the direction of the diocesan chancellor according to diocesan law.

(There are, by the way, special norms regarding adoptions that are most illustrative of that. They can be seen at the USCCB website by viewing usccb.org/norms/877-3.htm.)

In the case of the new certificate issued by the Archdiocese for the Military, there might be a practice approved by its archbishop to enter the names of the “new godparents” as notations in the registry with the instruction to issue certificates for souvenir (rather than canonical) purposes under those names rather than those who served as sponsors at the baptism. One would have to check on diocesan practice or law through the parish priest.

In light of the situation, perhaps a priest or deacon after listening to parents in this kind of situation, might assist in planning a celebration within the family and an adaptation of one of the blessings for families in the Book of Blessings, to provide an informal means of ritualizing and acknowledging that these special people will be assisting the child(ren) in their walk of Christian discipleship. However, the parents could create some kind of prayerful celebration for that purpose without the presence of a priest or deacon as well. There could be scripture, prayer, and a statement of promise by the “new godparents” which is accepted by the parents, e.g.

First though, I would recommend discussing and evaluating the suitability of these possibilities with the parish priest. This could also be the course of action in the case in which the original sponsors are separated by distance. Clearly there, it would more a case of adding to the community that supports the journey of faith than of making a substitution, since the original sponsors would continue their assistance by prayer.
 
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Really! So, it was just that easy? I have more than a few friends who would be happy, no THRILLED, to hear that.

Did you have to do anything else, or was it all just paperwork to redesignate “Great Guy” as the new Godparent? Was there a ceremony? Did “Big Jerk” have to know anything?

Dear burbs, I’m sorry to barrage you with questions, but you’ve actually done it, and I really want to know more. Thank you for your help.
It was really that simple. After Great agreed, I just wrote a letter and explained that Big Jerk was a practicing Mormon who left his wife, and Great Guy was sacramentally married to Superba Guy on this date at this parish, who received a decree of nullity from Big Jerk in This Diocese. I also enclosed an “offering” of ten bucks to process the ammended baptismal certificate- certainly not bribe money in anybody’s book. Now it said “Great Guy for Big Jerk”.

There was no “godparent” ceremony. He just took over the job. And he has done it admirably, so admirably that my daughter asked him to be *her *daughter’s godfather.

Big Jerk knew nothing until years later, when he called Superba on some sort of excuse, to tell her he’d remarried and they named their daughter the baby name Big and Superba had picked. (Big worked in the same government institution as Superba’s aunt.) So, Superba, who by now had three kids, engaged Big in limited conversation, dropped in the fact that he’d been substituted on the baptismal certificate, and oh yes, Burbs was getting married to a great guy (Big Jerk was my ex’s childhood friend- complicated, no?).

And when my husband adopted my kids, his name was placed on their baptismal certificates AFTER the decree was final and the birth certificates were changed- with no listing of my ex whatsoever. Again, I enclosed $10 per certificate to cover the costs of processing them. Just the way the USCCB said.

I just noticed- the deacon’s link is dated 2000. This happened in 1985 and 1989.
 
And just to clarify in case, no ceremony is required, but should you want to “ritualize” and pray, that should be ok.

Even before the promulgation of the USCCB norms, a number of dioceses had been following the practice of amending in the case of legal adoption Eventually the national norms caught up with the practice…
 
Forgive me but I’m never sure what the point of ‘firing’ Godparents is. If they are not good Catholic witnesses then have the kids hang out with people who are. There’s no need to fire the originals since it seems they have already made the implicit choice to quit.

As I understand the Church provides no means to replace Godparents officially.

And obviously parents can designate anyone they want to care for their children if they die. That’s not the point of Godparents anyway.
:mad: SO what you are actually saying is that Godparents are just titles and mean NOTHING? Because my son has two godparents who almost immediately after church stopped seeing him! I guess I will have to take him to a different church and change his religion then… 🤷
 
:mad: SO what you are actually saying is that Godparents are just titles and mean NOTHING? Because my son has two godparents who almost immediately after church stopped seeing him! I guess I will have to take him to a different church and change his religion then… 🤷
Should note that this thread is 6 years old. That said, it’s very important when choosing godparents that you ensure to make clear what you, and the Church, expect from them. S

Some view being asked to be godparents as strictly an honor that doesn’t carry any responsibilities. Some parents view it that way too. It would have been laughable to my cousin, 12 years my senior, if I, as her daughter’s 16 year old godmother, had presumed to advise her on how she should raise her daughter in the Faith. She only asked me to be godmother because I was HER goddaughter and she expected nothing from me beyond my presence at the ceremony.
 
Can you ‘fire’ your child’s Godparents? If you determine your child’s Godparents have become unfit to perform that role, can you replace them? Along the same vein, if they are now separated by great distances, can they also be replaced?

We’re fortunate to have GREAT Godparents for our child, but what about those who don’t?
And when you find out, let me know. I’d like to fire my Godchild! She turned her back on the Church. 😦
 
And when you find out, let me know. I’d like to fire my Godchild! She turned her back on the Church. 😦
Pray A LOT for her! God has not turned His back on her! It took me over 20 years and having my first son to bring me back, there is always hope! Looking back I can see many points in my life where the Holy Spirit intervened, where my guardian angel stopped me or turned me in another direction, or God stepped in. Many, many points that told me God had never left my side, and never will. Keep in touch with her, and pretend she is still Catholic (of course she is!), treat her no differently and let her know that you pray for her. And light candles!

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