God's Call and Cannot Lie

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Question.

Southern Baptist pastor states “God has called me to be a preacher (pastor) and I am here to tell you that you cannot lose your salvation according to God’s word. The Holy Spirit has laid this sermon on my heart.”

General Baptist pastor states “God has called me to be a preacher (pastor) and I am here to tell you that you can lose your salvation according to God’s word. The Holy Spirit has laid this sermon on my heart.”

Methodist pastor states “God has called me to be a preacher (pastor) and I am here to tell you that you can lose your salvation. The Holy Spirit has laid this sermon on my heart.”

Calvinist, Presbyterian, Pentecostal, Anglican, Episcopalian, Church of Christ, Assembly of God pastors state “etc…”

You get my drift.

How do you protestant organizations exist with no authority at all?

If these so-called pastors are ‘called’ by God, how can they tell different things at the same time claiming that GOD called them and laid it on their hearts?

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Sola Scriptura and private interpretation has taken the infallible word of God and turned it into complete chaos. That makes me incredibly sad on occasion. There are many out there who don’t believe in any church but take the bible alone and think that they have the sole ability to interpret it. Sacred Tradition and the Teaching Authority of the Church gave us the canon of the bible. The scriptures belong to the Church and the people but the Church has the absolute right to interpret it. The bible alone theory is anti-scriptural. All because people are too proud to submit to Church authority.
 
dnar said:
If these so-called pastors are ‘called’ by God, how can they tell different things at the same time claiming that GOD called them and laid it on their hearts?

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Because the devil can disguise himself as an angel of light, and that we should test the spirits to discern if the spirit we have is the Holy Spirit, and not some other spirit. These people I believe genuinely believe that they are in contact with the Holy Spirit, but they haven’t discerned well enough to find out they are being deceived. Who they thought is the Holy Spirit really isn’t the Holy Spirit.
 
ConstantineTG said:
Because the devil can disguise himself as an angel of light, and that we should test the spirits to discern if the spirit we have is the Holy Spirit, and not some other spirit. These people I believe genuinely believe that they are in contact with the Holy Spirit, but they haven’t discerned well enough to find out they are being deceived. Who they thought is the Holy Spirit really isn’t the Holy Spirit.
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I’m with ConstantineTG.

The Holy Spirit can never be the author of confusion.
 
Patrocinor said:
Sola Scriptura and private interpretation has taken the infallible word of God and turned it into complete chaos. That makes me incredibly sad on occasion. There are many out there who don’t believe in any church but take the bible alone and think that they have the sole ability to interpret it. Sacred Tradition and the Teaching Authority of the Church gave us the canon of the bible. The scriptures belong to the Church and the people but the Church has the absolute right to interpret it. The bible alone theory is anti-scriptural. All because people are too proud to submit to Church authority.
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You are exactly correct here. Sola Scriptura has to be one of the biggest lies ever known to Christianity.
 
ConstantineTG said:
Because the devil can disguise himself as an angel of light, and that we should test the spirits to discern if the spirit we have is the Holy Spirit, and not some other spirit. These people I believe genuinely believe that they are in contact with the Holy Spirit, but they haven’t discerned well enough to find out they are being deceived. Who they thought is the Holy Spirit really isn’t the Holy Spirit.
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This is a very good answer, in which I am in agreement. How do the Protestant’s gladly get up every Sunday morning and track off to their place of worship knowing this confusion is taking place because they have no authority?

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dnar said:
This is a very good answer, in which I am in agreement. How do the Protestant’s gladly get up every Sunday morning and track off to their place of worship knowing this confusion is taking place because they have no authority?

:confused:
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The thing is, they do not know. They believe that the Holy Spirit is on their side. If they know they are in error, they wouldn’t stay Protestant. It is as simple as that. We should put ourselves in their shoes, we shouldn’t think like a Catholic or Orthodox whilst being Protestant. If we are Protestant, we are accepting all of what they perceive to be the truth, and see all others as in error. So what they do makes sense really if you are within their community and accept what they have as truth. Don’t think that your definition of authority is the same as theirs, even us as Catholic and Orthodox do not agree on that matter.
 
dnar said:
This is a very good answer, in which I am in agreement. How do the Protestant’s gladly get up every Sunday morning and track off to their place of worship knowing this confusion is taking place because they have no authority?

:confused:
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Yes, if they are solely and literally focused on the authority of Sola Scriptura, then, Exodus 20:10 and Deuteronomy 5:12 should lead them to observing Saturday as the Holy Day and not Sunday. :confused: , indeed.
 
dnar said:
Question.

Southern Baptist pastor states “God has called me to be a preacher (pastor) and I am here to tell you that you cannot lose your salvation according to God’s word. The Holy Spirit has laid this sermon on my heart.”

General Baptist pastor states “God has called me to be a preacher (pastor) and I am here to tell you that you can lose your salvation according to God’s word. The Holy Spirit has laid this sermon on my heart.”

Methodist pastor states “God has called me to be a preacher (pastor) and I am here to tell you that you can lose your salvation. The Holy Spirit has laid this sermon on my heart.”

Calvinist, Presbyterian, Pentecostal, Anglican, Episcopalian, Church of Christ, Assembly of God pastors state “etc…”

You get my drift.

How do you protestant organizations exist with no authority at all?

If these so-called pastors are ‘called’ by God, how can they tell different things at the same time claiming that GOD called them and laid it on their hearts?

:confused:
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Pride- inflated sense of one’s personal status or accomplishments.

The first sin of Lucifer
 
dnar said:
Question.

Southern Baptist pastor states “God has called me to be a preacher (pastor) and I am here to tell you that you cannot lose your salvation according to God’s word. The Holy Spirit has laid this sermon on my heart.”

General Baptist pastor states “God has called me to be a preacher (pastor) and I am here to tell you that you can lose your salvation according to God’s word. The Holy Spirit has laid this sermon on my heart.”

Methodist pastor states “God has called me to be a preacher (pastor) and I am here to tell you that you can lose your salvation. The Holy Spirit has laid this sermon on my heart.”

Calvinist, Presbyterian, Pentecostal, Anglican, Episcopalian, Church of Christ, Assembly of God pastors state “etc…”

You get my drift.

How do you protestant organizations exist with no authority at all?

If these so-called pastors are ‘called’ by God, how can they tell different things at the same time claiming that GOD called them and laid it on their hearts?

:confused:
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The western patriarch says he has universal jurisdiction. All the eastern patriarchs say he does not. Seems like division in the Church started long before the practice of sola Scriptura.

Jon
 
Mount_Carmel said:
Yes, if they are solely and literally focused on the authority of Sola Scriptura, then, Exodus 20:10 and Deuteronomy 5:12 should lead them to observing Saturday as the Holy Day and not Sunday. :confused: , indeed.
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No. That would be solo Scriptura. Sola Scriptura doesn’t work like that.

Jon
 
ConstantineTG said:
Because the devil can disguise himself as an angel of light, and that we should test the spirits to discern if the spirit we have is the Holy Spirit, and not some other spirit. These people I believe genuinely believe that they are in contact with the Holy Spirit, but they haven’t discerned well enough to find out they are being deceived. Who they thought is the Holy Spirit really isn’t the Holy Spirit.
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Yes:thumbsup:
 
It is interesting to me, that many sola scriptura folks complain unceasingly about the “man made traditions” of the Catholic Church without ever looking at the man made tradition of Sola Scriptura. Sola Scriptura violates history, common sense and is anti-biblical. It has caused nothing but problems. Yesterday on another forum I was reading the arguments of eschatology from a variety of folks all using sola scriptura and private interpretation, getting angry at each other because none of them agreed on anything. If there was a central authority, this would not be a problem.
 
dnar said:
Question.

Southern Baptist pastor states “God has called me to be a preacher (pastor) and I am here to tell you that you cannot lose your salvation according to God’s word. The Holy Spirit has laid this sermon on my heart.”

General Baptist pastor states “God has called me to be a preacher (pastor) and I am here to tell you that you can lose your salvation according to God’s word. The Holy Spirit has laid this sermon on my heart.”

Methodist pastor states “God has called me to be a preacher (pastor) and I am here to tell you that you can lose your salvation. The Holy Spirit has laid this sermon on my heart.”

Calvinist, Presbyterian, Pentecostal, Anglican, Episcopalian, Church of Christ, Assembly of God pastors state “etc…”

You get my drift.

How do you protestant organizations exist with no authority at all?

If these so-called pastors are ‘called’ by God, how can they tell different things at the same time claiming that GOD called them and laid it on their hearts?

:confused:
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It is sound proof that without any structured authority it becomes total theological chaos.
 
Patrocinor said:
It is interesting to me, that many sola scriptura folks complain unceasingly about the “man made traditions” of the Catholic Church without ever looking at the man made tradition of Sola Scriptura. **Sola Scriptura violates history, common sense and is anti-biblical. It has caused nothing but problems. ** Yesterday on another forum I was reading the arguments of eschatology from a variety of folks all using sola scriptura and private interpretation, getting angry at each other because none of them agreed on anything. If there was a central authority, this would not be a problem.
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On the bolded, please be specific.

Properly understood, if they are using personal interpretation, then they are misusing sola scriptura.

Jon
 
dnar said:
Question.

Southern Baptist pastor states “God has called me to be a preacher (pastor) and I am here to tell you that you cannot lose your salvation according to God’s word. The Holy Spirit has laid this sermon on my heart.”

General Baptist pastor states “God has called me to be a preacher (pastor) and I am here to tell you that you can lose your salvation according to God’s word. The Holy Spirit has laid this sermon on my heart.”

Methodist pastor states “God has called me to be a preacher (pastor) and I am here to tell you that you can lose your salvation. The Holy Spirit has laid this sermon on my heart.”

Calvinist, Presbyterian, Pentecostal, Anglican, Episcopalian, Church of Christ, Assembly of God pastors state “etc…”

You get my drift.

How do you protestant organizations exist with no authority at all?

If these so-called pastors are ‘called’ by God, how can they tell different things at the same time claiming that GOD called them and laid it on their hearts?

:confused:
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Yes, this ultimately started to drive me nutty. I would say that it works for people because if they are Southern Baptist, then they aren’t listening to the American Baptist preacher, or the Methodist, etc. If they are Assemblies of God, they aren’t listening to the Presbyterian minister’s explanation of the faith, but only their own. It works so long as you only look at your one tradition and view everything else from that lens.

I think what is starting to happen more, though, is that many non-denominational churches are not confessional at all, so they would accept all of these different understandings as simply something that you agree to disagree about. There seem to be two streams of evangelicalism emerging, one that is increasingly non-confessional with more emphasis on relationship with God, and another that is relying more upon the historic tradition of Christendom in a broad sense, even if it does not accept any specific authority. The Manhattan Declaration is an example of the latter.

With me, I was always going to different churches and listening to different ministers and had friends across a lot of different Christian backgrounds. And through that I saw that, one, there are many people who are devout followers of Christ (baptized too) who are in total disagreement about theological matters, who might even go so far as to say the other is not saved. This made no sense and while I find it easy to come up with my own opinions about things, I stopped believing that my own take on it mattered.
 
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