God's gift of sexuality - a curse to those who cannot use it?

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I’m trying to justify to a friend why God can give us intense sexual desires, but we cannot fufill them outside of marriage. To those who never get married, isn’t it unfair for them to have to endure the temptations and never get to “use them’”?
 
I’m trying to justify to a friend why God can give us intense sexual desires, but we cannot fufill them outside of marriage. To those who never get married, isn’t it unfair for them to have to endure the temptations and never get to “use them’”?
God gave us “healthy” sexual desire (to both unite spouses and procreate) while I believe that original sin is responsible for distorting it into something less than holy.

Why do alcoholics crave alcohol? Or people with allergies crave that which can cause them harm?

It’s not just sex, it’s life. We all have temptations and struggles to face. It is our choice who we want to be in control…us, or Satan. He uses our weaknesses to get us to turn away from God. Sex is one of his favorites if you look at today’s culture.

Is your friend Catholic?

Malia
 
I’m trying to justify to a friend why God can give us intense sexual desires, but we cannot fufill them outside of marriage. To those who never get married, isn’t it unfair for them to have to endure the temptations and never get to “use them’”?
I’m not sure if God DID give us “intense sexual desires”. Yes, he gave us the ability to reproduce, and he made the sexual act one that has the potential to be pleasurable, but “blaming God” as it were for the intensity of desire is kind of like blaming God for making me crave chocolate cake. Yes, he created food, and it has the potential to be delicious (as in the case of aforementioned chocolate cake, particularly if it has a lot of frosting on it 😃 ), and both of these are good. But it is the failings of my own flesh, and the temptations of the Enemy that make for intensity of desire.

We also know that God will test us, to purify us in order to bring us closer to him.

So, in answer to your friend, I guess you could say that God gave us lots of things that He didn’t intend us glutting ourselves on. Just check out that whole Garden of Eden thing- Eve had the same question your friend did, only about a fruit, and look at the trouble that got all of us into. :rolleyes:

Cheers,
Cari

p.s. These arguements work only if your friend is religious. If s/he is secularly-minded, a different set of rationalles would be needed.
 
I’m trying to justify to a friend why God can give us intense sexual desires, but we cannot fufill them outside of marriage. To those who never get married, isn’t it unfair for them to have to endure the temptations and never get to “use them’”?
I’m not sure if God DID give us “intense sexual desires”. Yes, he gave us the ability to reproduce, and he made the sexual act one that has the potential to be pleasurable, but “blaming God” as it were for the intensity of desire is kind of like blaming God for making me crave chocolate cake. Yes, he created food, and it has the potential to be delicious (as in the case of aforementioned chocolate cake, particularly if it has a lot of frosting on it 😃 ), and both of these are good. But it is the failings of my own flesh, and the temptations of the Enemy that make for intensity of desire.

We also know that God will test us, to purify us in order to bring us closer to him.

So, in answer to your friend, I guess you could say that God gave us lots of things that He didn’t intend us glutting ourselves on. Just check out that whole Garden of Eden thing- Eve had the same question your friend did, only about a fruit, and look at the trouble that got all of us into. :rolleyes:

Cheers,
Cari

p.s. These arguements work only if your friend is religious. If s/he is secularly-minded, a different set of rationalles would be needed.
 
God gave us “healthy” sexual desire (to both unite spouses and procreate) while I believe that original sin is responsible for distorting it into something less than holy.

Why do alcoholics crave alcohol? Or people with allergies crave that which can cause them harm?

It’s not just sex, it’s life. We all have temptations and struggles to face. It is our choice who we want to be in control…us, or Satan. He uses our weaknesses to get us to turn away from God. Sex is one of his favorites if you look at today’s culture.

Is your friend Catholic?

Malia
Sort of. Theres a good chance he will convert later. I think you guys may have answered my question, although I’ll take any other posts that come my way :D.
 
I’m trying to justify to a friend why God can give us intense sexual desires, but we cannot fufill them outside of marriage. To those who never get married, isn’t it unfair for them to have to endure the temptations and never get to “use them’”?
Hi Fuzzybunny116,

Jesus placed a very high regard on celibacy for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven:
Matthew 19:10 His disciples say unto him: If the case of a man with his wife be so, it is not expedient to marry.11 Who said to them: All men take not this word, but they to whom it is given. 12 For there are eunuchs, who were born so from their mother’s womb: and there are eunuchs, who were made so by men: and there are eunuchs, who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven. He that can take, let him take it.
This verse is used normally for the rule of celibacy for the priesthood, but it also pertains to our lives as laity also. When we suffer the temptations of the flesh for the sake of our souls we’re doing a wonderful thing.

Paul also mentions frequently the necessity to endure these specific trials:
1Cor. 7:25 Now concerning virgins, I have no commandment of the Lord; but I give counsel, as having obtained mercy of the Lord, to be faithful.26 I think therefore that this is good for the present necessity, that it is good for a man so to be.
There are a ton of verses (appx. 80) regarding the sin of fornication, so I won’t flood you with them, but I will give this one verse:
Hebrews 13:4 Marriage honourable in all, and the bed undefiled. For fornicators and adulterers God will judge.
Hope this helps a little.

With love,
George
 
I’m trying to justify to a friend why God can give us intense sexual desires, but we cannot fufill them outside of marriage. To those who never get married, isn’t it unfair for them to have to endure the temptations and never get to “use them’”?
Well, while there are some exceptions, the vast majority of people who want to get married will find someone who will marry them at some point in their life. As a result, most who remain celebate for life do so because they have chosen to remain unmarried. This really only becomes a question to that segment of the population who wish to be married but cannot, for whatever reason, find a partner in life.

That being said, regardless of the reason, I think natural urges serve to remind us that our lives are not really under our control. By turning to God and resisting the urges (outside their proper context) we can use the urges to grow in holiness.


Bill
 
How great the suffering is in premarital chastity is probably how great the joy will be in conjugal chastity.

It may seem like a curse. But the thing is, if you know that God is good, then if your reasoning concludes that your sexuality is a curse - then your reasoning is flawed. It took me a long time to realize this. I went back and changed my reasoning. I began a different course of action. The suffering has now become much more bearable - although I can’t say that it’s gone.

It’s like instead of the weight getting lighter, you get stronger.

God is good.
He made your sexuality.
Therefore your sexuality is good.
God commands us to be chaste.

So now what? You’ve got this longing inside you. You can’t legitimately satisfy that longing. You know that longing is good. So what do you *do *with it?
 
Everyone has temptations that have to be kept in check.

No one is w/o a cross of some sort. —KCT
 
Some have ‘intense sexual desires’ in marriage for people to whom they are not married.

In both cases, one is called to live a chaste life: Inside and outside marriage.

Being married does not give one the authority to lust even to lust after your spouse. All desires are to be rightly ordered (virtuous).
 
To the OP:

In my experience: Sometimes, even *in *marriage, sexuality is a curse.

I know that God intended for it to be beautiful and good, and it is, so maybe “curse” is a bit strong, in my wording, but there it is.

There are so many variables to this, that even in marraige, there is no guarantee that you will have a healthy, fulfilled and satisfied sex life.
And I have seen that from so many people here and on other boards.

Not to sound pessimistic, rather a realist, no matter where you are or what your status in life, as a guy, prepared to be sexually frustrated.

For me, it’s big cross to carry, so I know.

PM
 
God is good.
He made your sexuality.
Therefore your sexuality is good.
God commands us to be chaste.

So now what? You’ve got this longing inside you. You can’t legitimately satisfy that longing. You know that longing is good. So what do you *do *with it?
That’s actually a very good question. For those of us who don’t feeled called to lifelong celibacy, but have to embrace it anyway because marriage has never happened, and is highly unlikely to happen, what do we do with those longings?
 
Find a healthy way to channel that energy elsewhere. Rather than wishing those urges would go away you put them to use in a less direct manner.

Excersize. Prayer. Fasting (or any form of self-mortification).

Use that energy to learn about Catholic sexual ethics. Become an expert on Theology of the Body.

Fight. I don’t know bout you guys. . . but for me, I get fiesty. If I can’t “love” I feel like fighting. I’m not saying go to the nearest bar and spit beer in someone’s face. But there’s a war going on out there. A war against evil. Join it. Pick a cause. Pro-life, pro-marriage, Pro-children, pro-fatherhood, pro-motherhood, pro-priesthood. Catholics are by no means pacifists, we are just extremely prudential about when to use physical force. For the most part there are a number of other weapons that work better.
 
Find a healthy way to channel that energy elsewhere. Rather than wishing those urges would go away you put them to use in a less direct manner.

Excersize. Prayer. Fasting (or any form of self-mortification).

Use that energy to learn about Catholic sexual ethics. Become an expert on Theology of the Body.

Fight. I don’t know bout you guys. . . but for me, I get fiesty. If I can’t “love” I feel like fighting. I’m not saying go to the nearest bar and spit beer in someone’s face. But there’s a war going on out there. A war against evil. Join it. Pick a cause. Pro-life, pro-marriage, Pro-children, pro-fatherhood, pro-motherhood, pro-priesthood. Catholics are by no means pacifists, we are just extremely prudential about when to use physical force. For the most part there are a number of other weapons that work better.
Well said Brother!!!👍 👍
 
That’s actually a very good question. For those of us who don’t feeled called to lifelong celibacy, but have to embrace it anyway because marriage has never happened, and is highly unlikely to happen, what do we do with those longings?
I hear you. I try running. The Rosary helps a lot. Also, trying to marshall my will as soon as temptations starts. The sooner I marshall my will to reject, the better. I find it isn’t so much outside images as my own brain and my own past that are difficult.

Finally, I need to rercognize the longer I indulge such thoughts the more I am simply hurting myself. They may feel good, but they lead to grave matter, and also are laced with loneliness and weakness and selfishness. Remembering old girlfriends or fantasies in general are a net negative that just injures myself. I’m happier when I am tryinbg to give and these temptations are “take”

Still, I stumble along, but there’s merit in a quick no too. 🙂

Hope I helped.
 
I’m trying to justify to a friend why God can give us intense sexual desires, but we cannot fufill them outside of marriage. To those who never get married, isn’t it unfair for them to have to endure the temptations and never get to “use them’”?
Try downloading this biblechristiansociety.com/download/mp3/marriage_and_the_eucharist.mp3
Your friend may be able to benefit from this awesome talk. It puts “sex” in the correct context. It’s called Marriage and the Eucharist, the two become one.
 
I’m trying to justify to a friend why God can give us intense sexual desires, but we cannot fufill them outside of marriage. To those who never get married, isn’t it unfair for them to have to endure the temptations and never get to “use them’”?
Who says celibacy isn’t a gift? This side of eternity, there will always be a desire for something we cannot have- because of our desire for God which will not be totally fulfilled until we get to heaven.

When you have a gift, sometimes that requires you to give something else up in order to make the best of that gift.
 
Reading this again now, I’d say it’s a sacrifice. Sacrifices are tough.
Marraige or celebacy, both are a sacrafice, in their own way.

Don’t think for a second that when you are married, you’ll be happy sexually…
It’s a sacrafice either way.

I’ll post a new thread with a question stemming from this…
PM
 
I find it weird how after half a lifetime of supposedly not having have any sexual thoughts at all (or romantic, or affectionate, or anything to do with desire), that after the ring goes on the finger suddenly you can switch it all on for the wedding night. Then there’s the whole grey area of whether you can actually be attracted to your spouse if you aren’t just about to have sex… I feel sorry for you people, from this point of view you can’t even enjoy pleasant thougts about your own husband or wife, and its all for the sake of some overbearing religiose paranoia.
 
I find it weird how after half a lifetime of supposedly not having have any sexual thoughts at all (or romantic, or affectionate, or anything to do with desire), that after the ring goes on the finger suddenly you can switch it all on for the wedding night. Then there’s the whole grey area of whether you can actually be attracted to your spouse if you aren’t just about to have sex… I feel sorry for you people, from this point of view you can’t even enjoy pleasant thougts about your own husband or wife, and its all for the sake of some overbearing religiose paranoia.
Whoa … wait a minute here. At least let’s keep this in proper perspective!
No one said anything, nor does the church/Christ tell us that we cannot have “any sexual thoughts at all - romantic, affectionate or anything to do with desire”!
Of course we experience all those things!
It is keeping them in proper order as God designed (for our good and the good of children who logicially follow).
It’s called “self-control” - the world shuns it and created “birth control” (or more accurately “conception control” really).

We “feel” many things in life. Sometimes we “feel” like smacking someone who has insulted us or made us angry.
Sometimes we “feel” like cheating on something or someone.
Sometimes we “feel” like gorging ourselves with tasty food.
Sometimes we “feel” like giving in to any number of temptations there are in life.
That does not mean we OUGHT simply because that is how we are “feeling.”

All of those emotions and desires you mentioned are right and good.
They were designed by God for man and woman to be EXPRESSED within a sacramental bond called marriage.
And within that bond of marriage is where “authentic” love and intimacy is exchanged and grows.

Look around and see the fallout of “non-authentic” true self-giving love.
*Pregnancies out of wed-lock leaving children to grow up in unstable and usually low-income/poverty stricken homes without a father (typically).
*Sexually transmitted diseases (which are rampant)
*Abortion
*Broken spirits of those who gave themselves so casually to something that was NEVER intended to be “casual” In fact, it is the MOST intimate thing on the face of the earth. How profane so many have made it.

So keeping those emotions and desires in check and in proper order is really a PROTECTION for each of us.

(*Note: Sometimes incorrect information regarding this subject of sex and intimacy is posted. When you have a specific question to be answered I would recommend you post it in “Ask An Apologist” to get the correct and thorough answer. Also, I would highly recommend you read a book by Christopher West called, “Good News About Sex & Marriage”
If you want to argue against something, you will sound much more credible if you are able to back it up factually and know what you are talking about. These two sources will help as it is obvious your information is rather skewed in regards to the truth and the whole picture.)
God Bless! 👍
 
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