God's Intimate Engagement with those in Purgatory

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Given that God is actively and intimately engaged with each of us here and is both the cause and aim of our salvation…what of His role with those in Purgatory? It would seem they MUST have His active involvement in order to “progress” and finally obtain Heaven.Left alone with only their own hope of being with God in perfect love and peace …how can they even understand their needs/lacks/challenges to being with Him? Do they too not need His care and healing?
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This world is already a valley of tears where we can experience the contrast between good and evil and hopefully choose the good. I think the “heat” is just turned up a bit in purgatory. By then we’ve proven our faith and love for God sufficiently to merit eternal life but we’re still not wholly sold out and are in need of some “brushing up”. So I’d guess that Gods’ presence would in some way be more immediate and/or frequent in purgatory so that our love and thirst for Him becomes greater and the impetus/motivation for holiness -and the understanding of the necessity for it in order to be in full communion with Him- becomes intensified.
 
Hi Happy to read your reply to this post! Have some questions/remarks in response…
I guess my first would be whether or not it is OUR thirst/drive/merit that will be increased in purgatory…it would seem to me more that God’s KNOWN presence and His “sensible” actions in our spirit would be the sole cause of our reaching Heaven. In Purgatory we will have the benefit of KNOWING God is “I AM WHO AM”. Unlike here. But! so many sins seem to me to be the result of our mental and spiritual health …think of people who we usually assume to be truly “evil”…Jeff Dahmer/Hitler etc. God is the only One who can actually be “inside” the head/soul of these/us and know the root causes/decisions etc of us all. If these people are “evil” due to physical results of bad chemical imbalances etc…in purgatory will He then be able to address the resulting mental illnesses of these root causes? Somewhere I read that mental health therapy is actaully acutely painful… Curious business! Also, I have long wondered if earlier writers on purgatory who supposedly had visions of the joint were so limited in their knowledge of such that they used “fire” to discribe the sensation of such healing?
I also am troubled by “valley of tears”…God saw that it was GOOD…and it is…there is great joy and beauty in this world…one discription of a saintly attitude is their joy…may the Lord bless your heart with joy and peace! Good to hear from you! Peggy 99
 
The “valley of tears” notion, from some Catholic prayers and concepts, is that while there’s much beauty and good in this world, there is also much suffering due to the fall and subsequent corruption, death, and separation from God, which wasn’t mans’ original condition. So here we can witness and experience both good and evil, seeing the handiwork and evidence of God simultaneous to what it’s like to live apart from Him. As good as this life can be, it has also been hell for many and in any case is nothing in comparison to that which we believe God wants for us-the best aspects of this world are only a dim foretaste of the beauty of eternity. So for me, this life is sort of a school or testing ground where we come to understand what Adam & Eve didn’t yet know-that nothing in creation can make us happy-only God, Himself, has that capacity, and the things of this world should become less and less important as we learn that lesson. It’s about *our *choice just as it was about Adam & Eves’ choice. And if we’re not so sold out as to choose only God as worthy of our love before all else, then He has mercifully allowed for an intermediate state where a final purgation will finally show and convince us of this fact. God’s purpose with us, I believe, is to mold people of character, without forcing the issue, into creatures who are truly capable of seeing and acknowledging for themselves His awesome majesty and worthiness of the fullness of our love.

He who created us without our help will not save us without our consent. – Saint Augustine

I haven’t thought so much about the mental health issue-other than that it can mitigate culpability, naturally. Perhaps in purgatory we are healed of these things and thus freed from their influences which hinder us from knowing the truth.
 
Given that God is actively and intimately engaged with each of us here and is both the cause and aim of our salvation…what of His role with those in Purgatory? It would seem they MUST have His active involvement in order to “progress” and finally obtain Heaven.Left alone with only their own hope of being with God in perfect love and peace …how can they even understand their needs/lacks/challenges to being with Him? Do they too not need His care and healing?
Yes? No? Fun!
Peggy99
The Father is intimately involved with those in a purgatorial state. They are given instructions as to what they need to accomplish to progress. They follow His plans and await further instructions on the next challenge they must face. Sometimes it is one task or area of healing, but sometimes there are more. This is a non-Catholic viewpoint and is from my own experiences. There is no definitive Catholic viewpoint that I know of.

Peace…

MW
 
Hi Happy to read your reply to this post! Have some questions/remarks in response…
I guess my first would be whether or not it is OUR thirst/drive/merit that will be increased in purgatory…it would seem to me more that God’s KNOWN presence and His “sensible” actions in our spirit would be the sole cause of our reaching Heaven. In Purgatory we will have the benefit of KNOWING God is “I AM WHO AM”. Unlike here. But! so many sins seem to me to be the result of our mental and spiritual health …think of people who we usually assume to be truly “evil”…Jeff Dahmer/Hitler etc. God is the only One who can actually be “inside” the head/soul of these/us and know the root causes/decisions etc of us all. If these people are “evil” due to physical results of bad chemical imbalances etc…in purgatory will He then be able to address the resulting mental illnesses of these root causes? Somewhere I read that mental health therapy is actaully acutely painful… Curious business! Also, I have long wondered if earlier writers on purgatory who supposedly had visions of the joint were so limited in their knowledge of such that they used “fire” to discribe the sensation of such healing?
I also am troubled by “valley of tears”…God saw that it was GOOD…and it is…there is great joy and beauty in this world…one discription of a saintly attitude is their joy…may the Lord bless your heart with joy and peace! Good to hear from you! Peggy 99
If there are areas we have to work on to progress, the Father shows us what those are. Purgatory is for those who will eventually reach heaven, not for those who refuse to submit to the Father.

Only God knows who is going and who is not. He is perfectly just. We are responsible for those things we know are wrong and do anyway, not for “chemical imbalances” or mental health issues. Fire is a symbol used in Scripture to show how are works will be judged, whether they are made of straw or stone.

Peace…

MW
 
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