Gods mercy versus justice at sodom and gomorrah

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My son’s 10th grade theology teacher in Old Testament explained to his class that the story of Sodom and
Gomorrah was strictly a story about hospitality. He dismissed the moral comment on homosexuality or on God being capable of punishment. “God is a forgiving God.” I got into an argument with my 15 year old over how God could be both a God of mercy and of justice. My son doesn’t believe God would execute his justice until after someone dies. What is the best way to approach this subject with my son especially in regards to old testament stories. My son doesn’t believe God destroyed the cities because there had to be innocent children and women. By the way this aging Jesuit teacher also explained the multiplication of the loaves with the old liberal interpretation of Jesus just convincing them to share. This is what I’m dealing with.
saludos, cubalibre
 
My son’s 10th grade theology teacher in Old Testament explained to his class that the story of Sodom and Gomorrah was strictly a story about hospitality. He dismissed the moral comment on homosexuality or on God being capable of punishment. “God is a forgiving God.” I got into an argument with my 15 year old over how God could be both a God of mercy and of justice. My son doesn’t believe God would execute his justice until after someone dies.

What is the best way to approach this subject with my son especially in regards to old testament stories.
The Catholic Library states the following;

***If there’s any misrepresenting going on, it’s being perpetrated by your parish priest. There is nothing in Genesis 18 or 19 which could support his theory that a lack of hospitality was the crime that caused God to annihilate Sodom and Gomorrah. In Genesis 18 God said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great, and their sin [singular] is so grave . . .” (v. 20). What was the sin which “cried out” for punishment?

Genesis 19 recounts the story of how Abraham’s nephew, Lot, entertained two angels at his home in Sodom. Word got around that Lot had some visiting men in his home, and “the townsmen of Sodom, both young and old,” gathered outside his home, clamoring for the two visitors to be turned over so that they could be homosexually raped: “Where are the men who came to your house tonight? Bring them out to us that we might have intimacies with them.”

Notice what’s going on here. The strangers had been shown hospitality by Lot and his family (vv. 1-3). The townsmen didn’t cry out to Lot that they wanted to be “inhospitable” to the visitors, but that they wanted to have intercourse with them, which is something markedly different. Lot attempts to quell the mob by offering them his two virgin daughters*, suspecting that because these men were homosexuals they would refuse. The entire account revolves around a single sin: homosexuality.

While it’s true that later Old Testament prophets pointed out other sins the people of Sodom and Gomorrah were guilty of (Is. 1:9-20, 3:9, Ezek. 16:46-51, Jer. 23:14), it’s clear that the primary sin, the sin which provoked God’s wrath, was homosexuality.

If you examine the Old Testament passages in which God outlines the sins which would merit the death penalty under the Mosaic Law (Lev. 20:27, 24:10-23; Deut. 13:5-10, 21:18-21, 22:21-24), you’ll see that homosexuality was condemned alongside such crimes as murder, idolatry, and blasphemy (Lev. 20:13). Search as you might, you won’t find the Lord meting out the death penalty to persons guilty of inhospitality. **
My son doesn’t believe God destroyed the cities because there had to be innocent children and women. By the way this aging Jesuit teacher also explained the multiplication of the loaves with the old liberal interpretation of Jesus just convincing them to share. This is what I’m dealing with.
saludos, cubalibre
God is indeed a merciful God. He grants mercy to those who seeks it. Jesus said, “Blessed are the merciful for they shall obtain mercy.”

If the innocent lives were killed in Sodom and Gommorah would judge them accordingly by reading their heart. He would rightly so reward them. Death is a new beginning, it is not the end. It is what is often called in the Scripture, the “next life.”

I hope this will help.
 
Perhaps your son could be interested in archeology. The constellation of five cities (Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, Zoar, and Zeboiim) existed. Jerico existed. Stuff like this. Maybe the evidence might help him see that the cities in question were destroyed. I don’t have a son, though.

Must your son attend this class next year? 😦

Just a thought. Perhaps your son would be interested in how David’s affair with Bathsheba came out. They had a son, and God forgave David, but God took the son as a result of the sin. Mercy and punishment in the same incident. 2Samuel12:10-14 is the core where the prophet Nathan tells David the punishment for his adultery/murder. If you read past verse 14, you will see how the child died. Remember, David is a historical figure, not some allegory. There is no reason to suppose that Nathan is an allegory, either.
 
Yeah, but Pug and Manny, you guys just don’t get it. The sharing of the loaves just makes me feel better about mankind. Isn’t it all about how I feel?!?!?

C’mon guys, wise up!!! This is the 21st century!!! Times are changing and you guys need to change with them!!!

The OP’s son’s class is a sad testimony to how the “feel good” generation warped our catechisms
 
Yeah, but Pug and Manny, you guys just don’t get it. The sharing of the loaves just makes me feel better about mankind. Isn’t it all about how I feel?!?!?

C’mon guys, wise up!!! This is the 21st century!!! Times are changing and you guys need to change with them!!!

The OP’s son’s class is a sad testimony to how the “feel good” generation warped our catechisms
He is mislead. He should be taught the original teachings. I already cited the other OT verses concerning the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah.
 
Sodom embaced homosexuality and was destroyed. How long until America has to face God’s justice?
 
I thought I was the only one being fed this ridiculous garbage. I am currently enrolled in a master of theology degree program from a Jesuit university and was fed the same thing. However, my teacher went one step further; his explanation for the crowd that wanted to have sex with the visitors was not a condemnation against homosexuality but rather against alien sex. I can not imagine what the liberals will say when the idea of alien sex becomes a fad. I am sure it will have something to do with those opposed to it being closed minded, insensitive and unenlightened. Fortunately my class mates were not buying the teachers ridiculous explanation and we moved on to another topic.
 
My son’s 10th grade theology teacher in Old Testament explained to his class that the story of Sodom and
Gomorrah was strictly a story about hospitality. He dismissed the moral comment on homosexuality or on God being capable of punishment. “God is a forgiving God.” I got into an argument with my 15 year old over how God could be both a God of mercy and of justice. My son doesn’t believe God would execute his justice until after someone dies. What is the best way to approach this subject with my son especially in regards to old testament stories. My son doesn’t believe God destroyed the cities because there had to be innocent children and women. By the way this aging Jesuit teacher also explained the multiplication of the loaves with the old liberal interpretation of Jesus just convincing them to share. This is what I’m dealing with.
saludos, cubalibre
… new exegesis of Sacred Scripture which claims variously that Scripture has nothing to say on the subject of homosexuality, or that it somehow tacitly approves of it, or that all of its moral injunctions are so culture-bound that they are no longer applicable to contemporary life. These views are gravely erroneous and call for particular attention here.
… The Church’s doctrine regarding this issue is thus based, not on isolated phrases for facile theological argument, but on the solid foundation of a constant Biblical testimony. The community of faith today, in unbroken continuity with the Jewish and Christian communities within which the ancient Scriptures were written, continues to be nourished by those same Scriptures and by the Spirit of Truth whose Word they are. It is likewise essential to recognize that the Scriptures are not properly understood when they are interpreted in a way which contradicts the Church’s living Tradition. To be correct, the interpretation of Scripture must be in substantial accord with that Tradition…
vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19861001_homosexual-persons_en.html
 
Let’s take a look at the recent snowstorms. I believe at least one person died, right?
How about tsunamis?
How about the 5 innocent people killed in Salt Lake City recently by an 18 year old gunman?
How about the genocide in Darfur?

How about the fact that Jesus told us (when hearing the Pharisees speaking of a recent accident where many people were killed–“Do you think that those killed were greater sinners than others? No, it is not so. But unless you repent, you shall likewise perish. . .”)

That poor priest has fallen victim to the Evil One (and it is sad because we know that the corrupted good falls farther in evil than the not-so-good).

Every situation of sudden death involves innocence as much as evil. We are all subject to death. We know from Ezekiel that God tells us that He does not wish death (in the form of course not of physical, but spiritual death) for the wicked; no, rather He wants them to repent. If they do so they shall surely live.

He tells us in the same passage that if those who do evil repent and do good, they shall live and not die.

Those ‘innocents’ killed in the judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah live surely in God’s Kingdom. Death is not a ‘punishment’–those evildoers would have died eventually, they just died suddenly. And God created them (and us) and has the power of that life and death–He certainly does not use that power for evil!

How sad that the Devil attempts to twist us into condemning God (look at Him killing innocent people, boo hiss!), and into elevating our own ‘feelings’ above His eternal truth (oh no, we can’t have homosexuals feel bad, no, we’ll just ‘change’ the sin and then we can not only make them feel ok about themselves, we can condemn instead anybody trying to correct our ‘changed’ sin!! Win-win situation for the Devil!)

Above all, how sad that innocent children are being fed these lies as truths.
 
I thought I was the only one being fed this ridiculous garbage. I am currently enrolled in a master of theology degree program from a Jesuit university…
Ah, yes, the Jesuits. How far the mighty have fallen.

To be fair, however, one must note that forcible sodomy is certainly inhospitable. Heck, let’s just call it what it is. It’s downright rude. What an utter lack of manners! No wonder God destroyed them.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
When I originally posted this question I had two ideas in mind. One was to post the example of how our youth is being poorly catchized even within a Catholic school that is judged by everyone as excellent. The other was to ask the philosophical question of how mercy and justice interact.I did all my education in public schools until I went to college at the University of San Francisco. I went there because it was a Jesuit school. My family had a tradition of being educated at Jesuit schools in Cuba (which Fidel closed.) Although I appreciate the education I received at USF I recall several incidents of priests teaching non-catholic ideas. I recall doing a paper on Liberation Theology in which the teacher vehemently disagreed with my attack of its Marxist underpinning. I remember another incident where another teacher tried to lecture more on buddhism than on the subject matter of christian spirituality. There were multiple instances of apologizing for homosexuality. On the other hand I remember a nun who was in the administration at the time closing our Health booth on birth control devices because it was against church teaching. (None of the Jesuits complained.)Are the Jesuits the only order that seems to be infected with this tendency to be liberal to the point of emasculating the church teachings?
saludos, Cubalibre
 
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