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Let me give this a try, I pray that I explain my thoughts in a clearer manner.
Hebrews 8, 5 They worship in a copy and shadow of the heavenly sanctuary, as Moses was warned when he was about to erect the tabernacle. For he says, “See that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.”
Exodus 25, 40 See that you make them according to the pattern shown you on the mountain (cf. II Cor. 4, 8; Acts 7, 44).
God’s promises are silver, Ps 12, 7. This passage clearly states that God’s promises are silver. No comparison is being made in the text. We sometimes think that a comparison has occurred, but this is a simple statement.
We know of physical silver. In this passage God’s promises are silver. There is no mention of the physical silver. There is no explicit comparison. (Sorry about repeating)
I believe that the physical silver is named after God’s promises; silver is second in value or worth, not second in time. God’s promises are so valuable that we gain a little understanding of them when we compare silver to them. But His promises are silver. His promises are the true silver. The silver in my ring is real silver, but only understood when compared to God’s promises. We do understand His promises better when we compare them to silver.
Let me try one from the New Testament. Jesus clearly teaches that He is the Vine. He is the true Vine. He is not a physical plant that grows in the ground. He teaches that He is the true Vine. This is a simple statement; it is not a comparison. Our minds might think it is a comparison, but it is not. Jesus clearly teaches: I am the Vine. We gain some understanding of the statement when we compare it to a physical vine.
In the United States there is a city called New York, New York. It is named after the York, England. This city received its name second in time and second in value. This second in time is simple to understand. The second in value is from the British point of view, and based on the time of New York’s naming. Perhaps I should use Rome, Georgia and Rome, Italy. Then the time and value issues are clearer.
Not to be confusing, I am not saying that silver was named second in time. I am saying that when humans compare God’s promises and physical silver, God’s promises are first in the comparison. The physical silver is second in the comparison—it has little real value. Perhaps I should have used Word and our inner word or written word. (If we consider Adam naming things, then physical things could be second it time and value.)
“The thing we want to demonstrate about these things is that the Divine Scriptures make use of homonyms; that is to say, they use identical terms for describing different things. And they even go so far as to call the members of the outer man by same names as the parts and dispositions of the inner man; and not only are the same terms employed, but the things themselves are compared with one another,” (Origen’s book on the Song of Songs pp. 25-26).
I believe that Origen’s idea can be applied to God’s promises and the True Vine and Good Shepherd.
I am sorry. This does not seem any clearer, but it is the best that I can do at this time.
Let me give this a try, I pray that I explain my thoughts in a clearer manner.
Hebrews 8, 5 They worship in a copy and shadow of the heavenly sanctuary, as Moses was warned when he was about to erect the tabernacle. For he says, “See that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.”
Exodus 25, 40 See that you make them according to the pattern shown you on the mountain (cf. II Cor. 4, 8; Acts 7, 44).
God’s promises are silver, Ps 12, 7. This passage clearly states that God’s promises are silver. No comparison is being made in the text. We sometimes think that a comparison has occurred, but this is a simple statement.
We know of physical silver. In this passage God’s promises are silver. There is no mention of the physical silver. There is no explicit comparison. (Sorry about repeating)
I believe that the physical silver is named after God’s promises; silver is second in value or worth, not second in time. God’s promises are so valuable that we gain a little understanding of them when we compare silver to them. But His promises are silver. His promises are the true silver. The silver in my ring is real silver, but only understood when compared to God’s promises. We do understand His promises better when we compare them to silver.
Let me try one from the New Testament. Jesus clearly teaches that He is the Vine. He is the true Vine. He is not a physical plant that grows in the ground. He teaches that He is the true Vine. This is a simple statement; it is not a comparison. Our minds might think it is a comparison, but it is not. Jesus clearly teaches: I am the Vine. We gain some understanding of the statement when we compare it to a physical vine.
In the United States there is a city called New York, New York. It is named after the York, England. This city received its name second in time and second in value. This second in time is simple to understand. The second in value is from the British point of view, and based on the time of New York’s naming. Perhaps I should use Rome, Georgia and Rome, Italy. Then the time and value issues are clearer.
Not to be confusing, I am not saying that silver was named second in time. I am saying that when humans compare God’s promises and physical silver, God’s promises are first in the comparison. The physical silver is second in the comparison—it has little real value. Perhaps I should have used Word and our inner word or written word. (If we consider Adam naming things, then physical things could be second it time and value.)
“The thing we want to demonstrate about these things is that the Divine Scriptures make use of homonyms; that is to say, they use identical terms for describing different things. And they even go so far as to call the members of the outer man by same names as the parts and dispositions of the inner man; and not only are the same terms employed, but the things themselves are compared with one another,” (Origen’s book on the Song of Songs pp. 25-26).
I believe that Origen’s idea can be applied to God’s promises and the True Vine and Good Shepherd.
I am sorry. This does not seem any clearer, but it is the best that I can do at this time.
but everyone has their interpretation