"God's Not Dead" Catholic Perspective (Spoilers)

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As I was watching the movie “God’s Not Dead” I was generally inspired by the faith of the Christians in it, but appalled by the protestantized theology (not surprise but appalled). My citation being the Professor dying at the end and the speech from the Reverend about only needing to let Jesus into his heart; no baptism, confession or Eucharist. Am I being overly critical? Is this movie suitable for a Catholic audience? I want to know your opinions.
 
As I was watching the movie “God’s Not Dead” I was generally inspired by the faith of the Christians in it, but appalled by the protestantized theology (not surprise but appalled). My citation being the Professor dying at the end and the speech from the Reverend about only needing to let Jesus into his heart; no baptism, confession or Eucharist. Am I being overly critical? Is this movie suitable for a Catholic audience? I want to know your opinions.
I haven’t watched the movie; but judging from the reviews and from people who have watched it, I wouldn’t recommend it. The philosophy is watered down and the sources of the arguments for the existence of God are only limited in the Bible and not adding to that arguments from past philosophers or natural observance - yes it is Protestanized. The characters are flat and stereotypical, and portrays non-Christians as people who have unfortunate things happen to them.

Again I’m basing my judgments from second-hand sources, so apologize if I get some things wrong.
 
Seems about right to me when I watched it. Really the end scene where the atheist gets hit by a car (I said spoilers) and then miraculous converts and “lets Jesus into his heart” was enough to make me walk away (I think I already said this, it bothered me enough to say it twice :))
 
Never saw it, but when I was in a Protestant school lunch youth group they played a preview.

It seemed that the characters were bland (unfortunately that’s how many Christian movies are). I’m surprised that Josh Wheaton got into Philosophy 150 skipping ethics and political philosophy. (Could be why the arguments he used weren’t all that compelling in my opinion)
The non Christians were way to stereotypical. It seemed that the NewsBoyz concert was not necessary at all.

This is my opinion.
 
I thought the movie was pretty good. You see you can let atheistic “movie critics” bias your view of a movie, or you can just go watch it and see what YOU think. All the plots were woven together quite well, and there were some touching moments.

Also, this idea that the atheist philosophy professor was “overblown” is rather mistaken. I’ve seen and heard similar kinds of megolomaniacal professors in my college career. Just go on the internet some time and see the vitriol internet atheists routinely spew. This character is very realistic.
 
I thought the movie was pretty good. You see you can let atheistic “movie critics” bias your view of a movie, or you can just go watch it and see what YOU think. All the plots were woven together quite well, and there were some touching moments.

Also, this idea that the atheist philosophy professor was “overblown” is rather mistaken. I’ve seen and heard similar kinds of megolomaniacal professors in my college career. Just go on the internet some time and see the vitriol internet atheists routinely spew. This character is very realistic.
Good review.

Also, per the first post, Fundamentalist Evangelicals namely seem to have this idea about a “personal relationship with God”, if one gets through the age-old antagonisms between Protestants and Catholics, not easily done, this is just their way. I don’t accept it as being the true way but I do admire their fervor and think most of them are probably indeed good people. They might see us the same way.

I’d hope Catholics can enjoy this movie, just the way I hope Fundamentalists can enjoy that movie that was written by a Jew called “Song of Bernadette”.
 
As I was watching the movie “God’s Not Dead” I was generally inspired by the faith of the Christians in it, but appalled by the protestantized theology (not surprise but appalled). My citation being the Professor dying at the end and the speech from the Reverend about only needing to let Jesus into his heart; no baptism, confession or Eucharist. Am I being overly critical? Is this movie suitable for a Catholic audience? I want to know your opinions.
I really didn’t like it either. It was…painful. I had to walk out. For the same reason you gave, but also for the way it portrayed non-Christians. Way too shallow. The atheist was just a plain jerk. Why couldn’t he have been a good, decent guy who just didn’t see any evidence for the divine like most atheists I know? That might have actually made it an interesting story.

But…that wouldn’t have gone over well with the intended audience, I guess. So instead we got the petty, angry, selfish philosophy professor who hates God because his mom died or something. (I forget now exactly what the reason was) I can’t fault atheist reviewers for not liking it. If I was an atheist, I would have been offended. The way to engage people and attract them to the faith isn’t to stereotype them like this.

And that’s what all the characters in the movie felt like to me. Stereotypes.

Honestly, I can’t stand faith-based movies anymore. I used to watch them because I felt I had to support “Good Christian media”. But my issue is they don’t even seem like they really are trying to tell a good story, or even care a smidgen about the story they’re telling. They are just using the film to sell a message. Nothing challenging or thought-provoking about them. They end up only reaching people who already agree with the filmmakers. What good does that do anyone?

Art, including film, shouldn’t be used as propaganda. It should be about sharing with others something good or true or beautiful that you care about. That’s why I like Tolkien. He was Catholic, and his stories have Catholic themes, but it’s subtle. He really cared about the world and characters he invented. When you do stories like that, people listen, and that’s more effective than banging people on the head with a bible like this movie did.

Anyways, there’s my opinion. I feel pretty strongly about this as you can tell. 😛
 
I really didn’t like it either. It was…painful. I had to walk out. For the same reason you gave, but also for the way it portrayed non-Christians. Way too shallow. The atheist was just a plain jerk. Why couldn’t he have been a good, decent guy who just didn’t see any evidence for the divine like most atheists I know? That might have actually made it an interesting story.

But…that wouldn’t have gone over well with the intended audience, I guess. So instead we got the petty, angry, selfish philosophy professor who hates God because his mom died or something. (I forget now exactly what the reason was) I can’t fault atheist reviewers for not liking it. If I was an atheist, I would have been offended. The way to engage people and attract them to the faith isn’t to stereotype them like this.

And that’s what all the characters in the movie felt like to me. Stereotypes.

Honestly, I can’t stand faith-based movies anymore. I used to watch them because I felt I had to support “Good Christian media”. But my issue is they don’t even seem like they really are trying to tell a good story, or even care a smidgen about the story they’re telling. They are just using the film to sell a message. Nothing challenging or thought-provoking about them. They end up only reaching people who already agree with the filmmakers. What good does that do anyone?

Art, including film, shouldn’t be used as propaganda. It should be about sharing with others something good or true or beautiful that you care about. That’s why I like Tolkien. He was Catholic, and his stories have Catholic themes, but it’s subtle. He really cared about the world and characters he invented. When you do stories like that, people listen, and that’s more effective than banging people on the head with a bible like this movie did.

Anyways, there’s my opinion. I feel pretty strongly about this as you can tell. 😛
Maybe good college professors who are atheists exist but from the ones that appear in the news every so often or other professors that could be similar, anti-religion, anti-conservative, pro-choicers (as one pro-choice professor was arrested for assaulting a peaceful protester), a number of them do seem to be arrogant self-centered egg-headed jerks I suppose. And as for my own experience, I couldn’t name a professor who struck me the wrong way, they were all good but none of them were controversial in this way.
 
I thought the movie was pretty good. You see you can let atheistic “movie critics” bias your view of a movie, or you can just go watch it and see what YOU think. All the plots were woven together quite well, and there were some touching moments.
Most of the reviews I based my judgment on are from Christian authors

catholicnews.com/data/movies/14mv038.htm
washingtonpost.com/opinions/michael-gerson-noah-gods-not-dead-are-movies-lacking-grace/2014/03/31/6a57b63e-b8ec-11e3-899e-bb708e3539dd_story.html

There’s also a video movie review of the film from a Catholic movie review website but I can’t find it in my browser history.
 
Maybe good college professors who are atheists exist but from the ones that appear in the news every so often or other professors that could be similar, anti-religion, anti-conservative, pro-choicers (as one pro-choice professor was arrested for assaulting a peaceful protester), a number of them do seem to be arrogant self-centered egg-headed jerks I suppose. And as for my own experience, I couldn’t name a professor who struck me the wrong way, they were all good but none of them were controversial in this way.
Yes, there are atheists like that in real life. But let’s be honest, there are Christians like that too. And that’s my problem with the movie. It’s one sided. It confirms our biases. It feeds on the story we all love to hear about the big mean atheist who picks on believers and the brave Christian who puts him in his place. It doesn’t take atheists or atheism’s claims seriously. It makes them the enemy.

What does that gain us? Will it make Christians more willing to engage atheists with love? Will it make atheists more willing to listen to our claims? I can’t see how. All it does is tell us what we want to hear.

If we don’t like it when movies portray Christians as ignorant, hypocritical, bigots, we shouldn’t be falling into the same trap ourselves.
 
As I was watching the movie “God’s Not Dead” I was generally inspired by the faith of the Christians in it, but appalled by the protestantized theology (not surprise but appalled). My citation being the Professor dying at the end and the speech from the Reverend about only needing to let Jesus into his heart; no baptism, confession or Eucharist. Am I being overly critical? Is this movie suitable for a Catholic audience? I want to know your opinions.
From what I heard it was a movie with an Evangelical (not necessarily protestant) point of view. So I would not expect for it to have Catholic themes.
 
I am Catholic and did see the movie. I walked out of it very happy that no matter the base of ones faith, Catholic, Baptist, whatever, the general idea is to take a stand for our CHRISTIAN beliefs and not cower to relativist & atheist points of view. After all we are ALL Gods children and as long as we profess Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior and live our life according to Gods will we will have eternal life in Gods Kingdom. Yes we as Catholics do believe that the eucharist and wine becomes the Body and Blood of Christ, but our dear Lord said “Do this in memory of me”, so who are we to judge? There are many Catholic movies to be seen on EWTN and as of late some have been on the big screen. I think the most important thing is that Christian movies are out there and we should be happy about that. We live in an age where the Pope tells us to embrace peoples of all faiths, and try to evangelize at the same time. So please brothers and sister try not to judge Christians who are not Catholic. Love thy neighbor. :hug1:
 
So please brothers and sister try not to judge Christians who are not Catholic. Love thy neighbor. :hug1:
We’re not judging non-Catholic Christians. We’re judging their movies. Action and the person doing it are two different things. We can judge the actions of persons, but not the persons themselves.
 
I actually enjoyed the movie, despite some of the shortcomings. It was certainly better than the average Christian movie, especially from PureFlix. It seems like the presence of just one bigger name star can get the stock players to up their game a bit, leading to a better movie overall.

I did joke with one Protestant friend that the main message of the movie was that atheists deserve to get hit by cars. He wasn’t happy with my interpretation of the film’s message.
 
I have wanted to watch this movie but I am also turned off by the fact that it seems to be aimed towards Protestants and Evangelicals and Fundamentalists in particular. If it was more aimed towards Catholics with a more philosophical approach then I might be interested in it. Keep in mind though that I am not much on philosophy. Nevertheless, I love the way that Catholic theology is so philosophical. I am thinking in particular of Saint Thomas Aquinas and Saint Augustine.
 
Yes, there are atheists like that in real life. But let’s be honest, there are Christians like that too. And that’s my problem with the movie. It’s one sided. It confirms our biases. It feeds on the story we all love to hear about the big mean atheist who picks on believers and the brave Christian who puts him in his place. It doesn’t take atheists or atheism’s claims seriously. It makes them the enemy.

What does that gain us? Will it make Christians more willing to engage atheists with love? Will it make atheists more willing to listen to our claims? I can’t see how. All it does is tell us what we want to hear.

If we don’t like it when movies portray Christians as ignorant, hypocritical, bigots, we shouldn’t be falling into the same trap ourselves.
It seems tailored somewhat after a specific incident at a University in Florida.
** Professor Makes Students “Stomp on Jesus”**
A Florida Atlantic University student said he was punished after he refused a professor’s directive to stomp on a piece of paper with the word “Jesus” written on it. The university, meanwhile, is defending the assignment as a lesson in debate.
So, in this case, I’d find it hard to believe the Professor was still a “good guy”. The movie is addressing some very radical ideas and persons at Universities who truly exist. Depicting such acts OR actors as less than sinister might be misrepresenting reality as well.
 
I saw it several months ago and thought it was pretty good, except for being heavy handed and turning into almost an infomercial for The Newsboys. It was not a Catholic movie, but it was a Christian movie, with a strong Evangelical Protestant bent. And I’ve had professors who were nearly that obnoxious, although this movie was based on a number of incidents/lawsuits, all of which were listed in the credits at the end of the movie.

As I recall, the professor was hit by a car at the end and died. In the few seconds between accident and death, he’d have had a difficult time finding someone to baptize him and offer him the Eucharist. As a Catholic, if you wanted to enjoy the movie more, you’d probably have to give him the benefit of the doubt that he intended to be baptized and take the Eucharist. His conversion would have to be more like the thief on the cross next to Jesus in Luke who, as far as I know, also didn’t have time to be baptized or take communion before his death either. It would be baptism of intent, I think.
 
also didn’t have time to be baptized or take communion before his death either. It would be baptism of intent, I think.
In an emergency baptism anybody around could’ve done it. And baptism would suffice for the removal of all sins.
 
I thought that this movie (which,please forgive for any offense), I consider to be Duck Dynasty Christianity. It did absolutely nothing to promote intelligent, persuasive dialogue between Christians and atheist, agnostics and people of other Faiths.

The reason I referenced Duck Dynasty is that a former co-worker on realizing that I was a Christian allowed that she thought that show was still pretty good. :rolleyes:
 
I am Catholic and did see the movie. I walked out of it very happy that no matter the base of ones faith, Catholic, Baptist, whatever, the general idea is to take a stand for our CHRISTIAN beliefs and not cower to relativist & atheist points of view. After all we are ALL Gods children and as long as we profess Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior and live our life according to Gods will we will have eternal life in Gods Kingdom. Yes we as Catholics do believe that the eucharist and wine becomes the Body and Blood of Christ, but our dear Lord said “Do this in memory of me”, so who are we to judge? There are many Catholic movies to be seen on EWTN and as of late some have been on the big screen. I think the most important thing is that Christian movies are out there and we should be happy about that. We live in an age where the Pope tells us to embrace peoples of all faiths, and try to evangelize at the same time. So please brothers and sister try not to judge Christians who are not Catholic. Love thy neighbor. :hug1:
First of all, thank you for acknowledging that Catholics ARE indeed Christians! People have told me that I have misrepresented myself by referring to myself as a “Christian,” saying, you’re Catholic! Catholics are the world’s original Christians, and I’m not sure how it has become passe for Catholics to refer to themselves as Christians, as if it is something lesser.

Also, those who think having The Newsboys in the movie makes it contrary to Catholic teachings, that is taking things too far. Sure, members of the band are Evangelical Protestants, not Catholics. But I’m going to post the chorus of the song they sing in the film, and I dare any Catholic to say how these words in any way are contrary to what we Catholics believe.

We believe in God the Father
We believe in Jesus Christ
We believe in the Holy Spirit
And He’s given us new life
We believe in the crucifixion
We believe that He conquered death
We believe in the resurrection
And He’s comin’ back again, we believe

They don’t sing about “sola scriptura” or “sola fide” or “there is no Purgatory” or “the Eucharist isn’t really Jesus” or other things where our beliefs don’t match theirs.

Probably the biggest difference between the Catholic and Protestant views on display in the movie is that the dying professor went straight to Heaven according to the Protestants, because he said the Sinner’s Prayer which of course is the requirement for salvation. As a Catholic, I would just pray that his deathbed conversion saved him from Hell and resulted in his ending up in Purgatory instead, because that soul sure needs some purification before entering the Glory of God. But since we don’t see him walking around in Heaven, there is no heresy being portrayed in the film; we are left to our own assumptions as to his eternal fate. The Catholic and Protestant will disagree about where he went, but since they also have the same disagreement about real-life people who die, that isn’t the film’s fault!
 
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