God's Not Pro-Life: PLEASE READ

[iamrefreshed]

Do not mock my intelligence, please, just for posting the truth.

Mock, mock.

Do you get many sprains with the gyrations you make to justify sin?

 

[FAB]

Now I’ve met so many decent Catholics who in their hearts, for instance, aren’t really homophobic. Thank God Catholics do not degrade women liek Protestants [except the ridiculous fact that women can’t be priests; MARY MAGDALENE WAS THE FIRST PREACHER, which you all know very well . And I’m only going to elaborate on the gay issue ONCE because those who don’t want to listen just won’t: **96 percent of Americans have pre-marital sex, according to the Orlando Sentinel, and yet in the SAME LINE in Corinthians that condemns Christianity, fornication too is condoned.

I am gay, and I’m also a very compassionate individual who does his best to better the world and his family. I WOULD NEVER wish my any of my family harm, even the people who have mistreated and slandered me. And if God is loving, neither will he for loving “abstractly.”

Catholics are taught to love the sinner and hate the sin. You thread makes some sense in trying to find some kind of hyprocacy with Christians who will defend the unborn and yet condemn you.
You bible interpetation is the worse kind of eisegesis, giving you own meaning to the word outside of proper interpetation. That aside, you seem to have anger because your life style isn’t accepted. As for the fornicating Christians, the same for them is true as for you, love the sinner, hate the sin. Just because it happens doesn’t mean that it is condoned.
You though have a heavier burden. Your gay and you know you are a good person, but there are those who want to tell you that God condems you. God’s love is unconditional, like the supreme father that he is, even though his children may fail.
In a society that is so over sexed, that is constantly giving images of the “beautiful people” and of free love, the difficulty for you, whom I assume would say you were born gay feels persecute.
I could tell you that the Church says sex is a gift from God between a man and woman in within the sacrament of marriage. That statement particular leaves you out. If you follow God’s command as a single person, then you are to lead a celibate life, but as a gay person you feel then that in that case you would never have human contact, at least sexally.
I have no real answers for you except that God loves you. Will you be condemend in the end for you acts? That is a question that we must all face no matter what our lifestyle. Trying though to prove your point by misusing His words though is not the answer.

Even though this may sound tright, but I have a couple of friends that are gay and they are Catholic. They struggle with the questions I expressed. At least one does lead a celibate life. He has friends that care about him and love him for who he is. He also belongs to an organization of Catholic gays and lesbians, thats helps him find common ground with others.Perhaps this type of organization can help you find peace.

FAB

 

[juliamajor]

Your ignroance of my posts is unacceptable. The abortions, and the rest were GOD-INDUCED my friend, which is the point of all this. Read, check, and accept the scriptures. I have nothing to hide.

As for the person above you, come on, Catholics know better than to think God is the “author” of the Bible. You guys express greater intelligence than ridiculous Fundamentalists [such as that your church ACCEPTS evolution *finally

]; moreover,would you like to read my essay on Paul/Moses, how they were both mass murders and how the latter was a SERIAL RAPIST? Do you really want to challenge your opinion without due process? If your God is loving, then you need to reconsider and appreciate the historical reality behind the Bible. It has been used to condone sexism, racism/slavery, homophobia [fornicating hypocrites, I may add], rape, intolerance and mass murder [Hitler was a ROMAN CATHOLIC who was never excommunicated, unlike Madonna].
Now I’ve met so many decent Catholics who in their hearts, for instance, aren’t really homophobic. Thank God Catholics do not degrade women liek Protestants [except the ridiculous fact that women can’t be priests; MARY MAGDALENE WAS THE FIRST PREACHER, which you all know very well . And I’m only going to elaborate on the gay issue ONCE because those who don’t want to listen just won’t: **96 percent of Americans have pre-marital sex, according to the Orlando Sentinel, and yet in the SAME LINE in Corinthians that condemns Christianity, fornication too is condoned. I am gay, and I’m also a very compassionate individual who does his best to better the world and his family. I WOULD NEVER wish my any of my family harm, even the people who have mistreated and slandered me. And if God is loving, neither will he for loving “abstractly.”

Biological PROOF homosexuality is natural:
utexas.edu/courses/bio301d/Topics/Gay/Text.html

guardian.co.uk/science/2008/jun/16/neuroscience.psychologyYour lack of understanding is incredible. you’re just as bad as any fundamentalist who takes things literally.When you quote from the prophetic books you are quoting METAPHORS. Metaphors are used throughout the the Bible Like hyperbole.If you read literature you would know this.Symbolism, metaphor, hyperbole are all a part of literature- any literature.The same with the Bible

 

[Palm_Tree]

I believe that every Christian in the world deserves to know the truth. Please understand that I seek NEVER to mislead, only to inform.

Do not mock my intelligence, please, just for posting the truth. It’s an inevitable conclusion that I have come to. Live with it, live with the reality of your religion my friends.

I am Pro-Truth

I am an intelligent, knowledgeable person who deserves each and every one of your respect.

Your ignroance of my posts is unacceptable.

Humans sure can be interesting in the things they believe.

 

[Tietjen]

I am an intelligent, knowledgeable person who deserves each and every one of your respect.

First, you have done nothing to gain my respect. You have quoted verses out of context in an attempt to prove that your opinion on this subject is correct and that all of Christendom is and has been in error. You hold your own intellect higher than the millions upon millions of people who have come before you and you are so desperate to gain respect, you even come here to a Catholic website, where you must know people will scoff at this silliness, all in a vain attempt to seek some sort of validation. You will receive none here.

 

[dbaseII]

Wow. Just wow.
When people abort their babies you guys scorn them as evil, even though they’re sending the fetuses right back to God; yet when God aborts mass amount of fetuses throughout an entire civilization, then he himself is a huge heroe. I respect the poster above, however, who at least says God can do whatever he wants because he is God. At least he acknowledges that I have provided factual, not disrregardable evidence. I am an intelligent, knowledgeable person who deserves each and every one of your respect.

And sometimes intelligence can be a real stumbling block to sanctity even if one is TRYING to seek (which I am not convinced you are doing).

First of all, God IS the creator. Therefore, it is His Right to destroy anything He created. If is NOT our right. Because we CANNOT create even a grain of sand. PROcreation isn’t the same as creation. If we procreate, GOD must STILL do the creating or it doesn’t happen.

Secondly, the “out of context” comments ARE relevant and if you are so “intelligent” as you say you are - you will easily see that.

For example, let’s look at another “out of context” quote.

'Out out, d-mned spot!"

What is this talking about? If I say it’s from Shakespeare, and you are not familiar with the particular play, that STILL doesn’t tell you what it’s talking about.

It could be talking about someone putting out a dog named “Spot”. Or perhaps they spilled wine on their wedding dress and are trying to get it out quickly in the washroom.

You see, you DON’T know what it is talking about unless you know not only the play (which is Macbeth) AND the context. And I betcha those who are not familiar with the line from Macbeth won’t EVER guess what is being talked about there.

Here IS the context… a woman has murdered someone and she goes to the washroom and tries without success to get the blood off her hands.

Would you have guessed THAT context?

Shakespeare was only written a few hundred years ago but the Bible was written (as in the Old Testament) FIVE THOUSAND YEARS AGO.

And yet, you think you can just go into the Bible, take verses here and there and figure out the meaning without really STUDYING IT? Hello?

And third, the passages you give are from the accounts of historical events. Since the writers of the Bible felt EVERYTHING was caused by God (very religious people), they felt deaths from plagues etc were caused by God directly or if not, they would be disrespectful if they did not write it down that way. You see, again, you did not know the context so you guessed and you guessed wrong.

Fourth, God makes it clear that He IS pro life. We are told in the Ten Commandments to NOT MURDER (the word used in “thou shalt not kill” means murder rather than killing as in killing an animal). We are also told that God has planned each one of us from the beginning of the world - so it’s just logic to figure out that if He planned us, he does NOT want us wantonly destroyed.



To remind, it IS the “Ten Commandments” and not the “Ten Suggestions”.

Well, we haven’t much touched on logic except my fourth point.

But if we talked about logical assumptions here, we could write a tome just on that one.

Of course God is pro life. like duh.

 

[dbaseII]

[Hitler was a ROMAN CATHOLIC who was never excommunicated, unlike Madonna].

Hitler was born Catholic and attended Catholic school until in the grammar school, he was thrown out for bad behavior. He made it very clear in his book, “MEIN KAMPF” that he was very strongly atheist. For more information and cites, see:

net-abbey.org/hitlerchristiannot.htm

Biological PROOF homosexuality is natural:
utexas.edu/courses/bio301d/Topics/Gay/Text.html
guardian.co.uk/science/2008/jun/16/neuroscience.psychology

Ok the texts you gave were more sentient than the usual thing I hear about “animals rubbing each other” however, no study cites were given in those texts so without the cites, they are not worth much. Also, I’m not sure what you mean by “natural”. Associated with nature i.e. some people have SS attractions… ok… but as an excuse for promiscuity – I don’t buy it. The best theories for the whys and wherefores of SS attraction were perpetuated by Eric Erikson et al… mostly environmental in the 1st 5 years of life. So when in fact, a person may not have a choice in a SS attraction, they DO have a choice in whether to be promiscuous or not.

According to the teachings of the Catholic church, only about 25 percent of Catholics can have se/x without commiting sin. Here are the rules:

• must be validly married in a Sacramental marriage
• must NOT be using artificial birth control (Natural Family Planning is permitted however - that does not pose a risk and is a decision of both spouses which is as it should be and is not destructive or abortifactive like so many forms of b/c are and also is a way of telling God that the couple is open to life but just at the time does not feel it is appropriate however, will accept God’s Will.)
• must be a man and woman
• must be physically able to have s/ex

And that’s only about 25 percent of Catholics. The rest of Catholics are expected to keep chastity and we feel there is great blessing in chastity as well. It is a calling just like marriage etc.

Sheen described chastity or celibacy, as God picking some flowers to keep in His Own Special Garden.

People who do not agree with this do not have to be Catholic but this is what the church teaches.

My husband and I are NOT in the 25 percent as he is unable due to diabetes and complications from a vasectomy (53 percent of people who have vasectomies sustain a complication of lessened libido or worse - there is also a high risk of prostate cancer among vasectomy patients - 95 percent greater risk in some studies)

He has given me permission to talk about this because people should know what are the repercussions of vasectomy and also because people should know that chastity can be a great blessing which can bring them closer to God and even enhance their relationship in a marriage. We have been married for 42 years and love being with each other and doing things together and in the years since we have been “unable” we have not only drawn closer to God but also have drawn closer to each other.

You did not give a cite for your 96 percent of people committing fornication but even if that were true that would NOT make it right. It can hurt in many ways. For example 50 percent of marriages break up. And statistically, those who co-habit before marriage have a high rate of breakup. Why? No brainer… as Bishop Sheen pointed out “as soon as s/ex enters, it’s so seductive that people do not bother nurturing the relationship”. That’s not even considering the problem of unplanned pregnancies etc. Even the pro choice side agrees that we should work to prevent unplanned pregnancies but the only way that works for that is abstinence before marriage.

But your rationale that since so many do it why be against it is like saying “eat manure - 50 million flies can’t be wrong”

“The sins of man offend God. The virtues of man offend man” (anon)