Gods view in homosexuality

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I have a question regarding the bible verse from Leviticus. It says that a man should not lie with another man otherwise it’s an abomination. Firstly, what about women and women? Also, if God created everything, then why did he create something he is against? It seemed God was very stern in the OT and in the NT he seems so kind, always sending angels saying don’t be afraid.

I feel God loves me, despite me being gay.
 
Petergray said:
I have a question regarding the bible verse from Leviticus. It says that a man should not lie with another man otherwise it’s an abomination. Firstly, what about women and women? Also, if God created everything, then why did he create something he is against? It seemed God was very stern in the OT and in the NT he seems so kind, always sending angels saying don’t be afraid.

I feel God loves me, despite me being gay.
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The issue is the act, not the orientation. Being gay is not a sin, having the sexual relationship is.

Of course God loves you.
 
God is an equal-opportunity kind of guy. The same law logically applies to women as well.
He didn’t create homosexuality. He created reproduction, not a misuse of it.
Of course He still loves you. Nothing wrong with being gay, just don’t act on it, same as straight people.
 
Of course God loves all people, even if they are gay. He isn’t against gay people, he is against immoral sexual acts. It doesn’t matter what inclinations the person has, he is called to restrain himself for the glory of God. Sex is only meant to be a procreative and unitive act within a marriage. This is the teaching that has been revealed to the Church. It doesn’t matter if you are a man or a woman or what sexual desires come to you.
 
when he is talking about man i think he means both wo[man]
as for the creation he didn’t create people to be gay. he created woman for man.
i would think that it is the devils creation to oppress that.
 
As said above, it’s the act that is an abomination, not the orientation. It goes for straight people as well. Sex outside of the marriage bed is considered adultery.
 
CatholicZ09 said:
As said above, it’s the act that is an abomination, not the orientation.
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If someone classifies themselves as a homosexual then they are sinning by caving to temptation. Simply being tempted is not sinning, but they cannot act on these temptations nor classify themselves by them.
 
PaulinePresbytr said:
If someone classifies themselves as a homosexual then they are sinning by caving to temptation. Simply being tempted is not sinning, but they cannot act on these temptations nor classify themselves by them.
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How so? They’re recognizing a temptation. By your logic, it’s caving to lustful temptation to call yourself straight or heterosexual and the same with any other form of sin or simply calling ourselves sinners.
 
Petergray said:
I have a question regarding the bible verse from Leviticus. It says that a man should not lie with another man otherwise it’s an abomination. Firstly, what about women and women? Also, if God created everything, then why did he create something he is against? It seemed God was very stern in the OT and in the NT he seems so kind, always sending angels saying don’t be afraid.

I feel God loves me, despite me being gay.
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The difficulty with the Bible is that you will get a lot of different views of what different passages mean to different people. It’s all in the interpretation.

So some read it ‘literally’, some in terms of what it symbolises. Some read it in context with other passages, some without. Some read it in a ‘list sense’ so man includes woman, some don’t - so unless it mentions something specifically, it is not included - so man does not infer women too.

Some people read ambiguities and suggest they can be interpreted by referencing other verses. Some say it’s the word of God others that it is a scholarly work

The point I am trying to make is that, if you feel God is real to you, and by that I mean in the sense of a Catholic God, then you should read Catholic doctrine on the subject and make a decision to follow that religious perspective.

My own opinion is that the idea that being Gay is not against the teachings of the church but certain sexual acts are, does not hold water in the real world. I can see how that position would assuage gay clergy. If God exists and created the universe, I can’t imagine why He would be so interested in the sex lives of one particular animal on one particular planet, to the extent the catholic church espouses.
 
PaulinePresbytr said:
If someone classifies themselves as a homosexual then they are sinning by caving to temptation. Simply being tempted is not sinning, but they cannot act on these temptations nor classify themselves by them.
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Not so.

A person who only ever experiences same-sex attraction may quite reasonably define themselves as a homosexual person. They are NOT sinning by defining themselves so, and that’s not my opinion, it’s the Church’s.
 
Romans 1:26 clearly states that it is wrong for women to engage in homosexual activities
 
Aeden said:
How so? They’re recognizing a temptation. By your logic, it’s caving to lustful temptation to call yourself straight or heterosexual and the same with any other form of sin or simply calling ourselves sinners.
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Someone who suffers from same sex inclinations is not gay. Someone is only homosexual if they are engaging in the gay lifestyle. No one is gay until they act on it. So it’s sinful to say I’m gay if all you are is suffering from a disordered attraction. It can be scandalous. Would you call yourself an adulterer if you thought a married man’s wife looked attractive? Would you call yourself a thief if you thought about stealing something one time?
 
It mentions both men and women in Leviticus I don’t know why you didn’t see that in the scriptures. I wish people would stop using the word Gay as a Catholic. When you call someone gay it means that your accepting the lifestyle or in it. The church actually uses the word homosexual, but if you go to the Courage site, they use the word SSA Same sex attraction so as not to confuse people who are living a homosexual life verses just having the attraction. The word Gay was also used to make homosexuality more palatable to the population as to deceive the public about the activist real intentions.

God loves all people, but does not love sin. If someone has an homosexual inclination it is not sinful and it talks about it in the Catechism so before giving advice please check with this it tells all about our Catholic teachings and is not someones opnion.
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SaintPatrick333 said:
Someone who suffers from same sex inclinations is not gay. Someone is only homosexual if they are engaging in the gay lifestyle. No one is gay until they act on it. So it’s sinful to say I’m gay if all you are is suffering from a disordered attraction. It can be scandalous. Would you call yourself an adulterer if you thought a married man’s wife looked attractive? Would you call yourself a thief if you thought about stealing something one time?
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Saying that you are homosexual indicates no such thing. It only indicates that you are of that orientation. For example: I don’t go around having casual sex, but I call myself straight. This does not indicate in any way that I go around and engage in any such lifestyle, just that I am aware of this orientation.
 
aprilfloyd said:
one particular animal
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We are not animals. We are people. This is a fundamental part of your difficulty in understanding God, as espoused in numerous other posts. You think of yourself as an animal that God would not, could not, or should not deign to even bother with.

In reality, we are infinitely important to God. We were created to know him. Indeed, we are the only members of material creation created so. God loves us each infinitely, and knows each of us completely. He knows each of us, personally, and has made us to be united with him in personal union, Heaven.
 
speakttruth said:
I wish people would stop using the word Gay as a Catholic. When you call someone gay it means that your accepting the lifestyle or in it.
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It is imperative that we, as Catholics, get beyond “wishing” homosexual people would call themselves this or that and realize that many people use the term gay or homosexual even when they are not sexually active. This is a FACT. You are free to wish they would call themselves SSA or anything else. Until all gay people do that, however, we should never make assumptions as to their private behaviors. I think our best bet is to give the benefit of the doubt until we know otherwise.
PaulinePresbytr said:
If someone classifies themselves as a homosexual then they are sinning by caving to temptation.
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What temptation are they caving to? The temptation to be honest about their sexuality?
Simply being tempted is not sinning, but they cannot act on these temptations nor classify themselves by them.
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Saying I am a homosexual person is not classifying myself by some sinful act. Rather, it is a description of my sexual orientation. Nothing more. And, it’s true. I prefer not to lie about it, and I don’t think we should expect anyone else to lie about it either.
 
I wish people would stop using the word Gay as a Catholic.
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I agree with you.,The terms gay and straight are loaded political terms. They are not words the Vatican ever uses to describe people.
 
fix said:
I agree with you.,The terms gay and straight are loaded political terms. They are not words the Vatican ever uses to describe people.
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They are, however, words used by the world. And how are we to make the Church’s message understood (in all contexts, not just this one) if we do not speak the language of the world? The Holy Spirit descended upon the Apostles and they began to speak many languages after all, in order that they should be understood.

Language moves on. I don’t perceive the words ‘gay’ or ‘straight’ to mean anything other than the orientation of the persons to whom the words refer, and I don’t think it’s helpful to anyone to refuse to talk in the language that the majority of people will understand.

In fact, if we continue to load the term ‘gay’ with a political overtone and use it in such a way when we object to ‘gay’ agendas… it pushes away anyone who is sympathetic to gay people in a pastoral sense but uses the term ‘gay’ in the same neutral sense the world does, because all they hear is the Church objecting to all homosexuals regardless of ‘agenda’ or the lack thereof. It therefore continues to perpetuate an image of the Church being ultra-reactionary and intolerant of all homosexuals… and then we object when we say we’re not, but we’re told that we are, and the whole thing spirals into entrenchment and polarisation.

We need to use the language that ordinary people understand in an ordinary way.
 
Kolbe300 said:
It is imperative that we, as Catholics, get beyond “wishing” homosexual people would call themselves this or that and realize that many people use the term gay or homosexual even when they are not sexually active. This is a FACT. You are free to wish they would call themselves SSA or anything else. Until all gay people do that, however, we should never make assumptions as to their private behaviors. I think our best bet is to give the benefit of the doubt until we know otherwise.

What temptation are they caving to? The temptation to be honest about their sexuality?

Saying I am a homosexual person is not classifying myself by some sinful act. Rather, it is a description of my sexual orientation. Nothing more. And, it’s true. I prefer not to lie about it, and I don’t think we should expect anyone else to lie about it either.
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ITA. If I am in a position where I need to define my sexual orientation, I define myself as gay. I’ve been living according to Church teaching for nearly 10 years now, but that doesn’t make me any less gay. I didn’t suddenly become attracted to the opposite sex when I chose to follow Church teaching.

Straight people who are not in relationships do not call themselves “OSA” do they??

The term “SSA” is always tied with “affliction” or “being affected by”…which is the same language people use when someone has cancer or a disability. Being gay is NOT a disease or disability, it is an orientation. The ONLY thing it means is that my attractions are to people of the same gender as myself. It doesn’t mean anything else.

When people use the terms “SSA” and the made-up terms I see here (Homosexualist and Homoheresy), it simply sounds horrible to me and like they either fear or hate gay people no matter how they choose to live. I don’t think that is true of everyone who uses those words, but that is my feeling and my kind of knee-jerk reaction when I read them.

We all know that people wander into this site from all over-and to paraphrase DexUK’s signature, this may be the only Catholic information they ever see. Would we not want a gay person who comes here to think that we would want them to stay and learn that God loves them and wants more for them? If those words hit me wrong after living in the Church all this time, how do you think a gay person who doesn’t have any knowledge or understanding of the Catholic Church would feel seeing them?

Language matters, and if the goal is to lead others to God, I think we need to be conscious of the words we use.
 
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