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I know I typed this morning on a another thread that I was finished with the catholic church, however… I don’t know what got into me, I guess I must have got caught up in the whole holy ritual and pomp and circumstance of holy week. Our priest, who seems like a really nice guy has been touting a penitential service that was to be held this afternoon at 5 pm. He has been telling of this at every Mass during lent this year and really urging all of us to come. He touted the whole “year of mercy” and all that… Frankly, his actions were quite moving to me and so even though I typed what I type this morning, I put on my Sunday clothes and off to Palm Sunday Mass I went, with every intent to return to the 5pm penitential service. And that is exactly what I did.

I know I’ve been bitter, resentful and cynical of late, but that has not deterred me from regular Mass attendance and from frequenting the confessional. I had the mindset that if I was to get out of my funk and depression I really needed to roll up my shirt sleeves, lace up my boots and put in the work. And it is with this attitude that I went to the penitential service this afternoon.

What I encountered was about 120 people and about 10 priests. We sang a song, our home priest read a reading and then private confessions were heard. I was in absolutely no hurry and so I sat in the pew and listened to the beautiful music on the speakers and watched as people went to confession. We have a large church and many of the 10 priests were within sight of anyone inside the body of the church building. It was frankly a moving experience! I remember thinking maybe I’ll have to rethink this whole “writing off the catholic church” thing after all. I sat and watched (but could not hear) people confessing sins and the priests in true pastoral fashion offering absolution, filled with seemingly mercy and compassion. I was truly touched. It was a beautiful hour wait for me until the lines dwindled down and an open priest slot availed itself to me.

This is where my story takes a turn.

A middle aged priest sat by himself in the alcove of the Blessed Mother, the same alcove in which I light a candle every Sunday. What a perfect situation for a confused, bewildered, slightly angry, much hurt, lifelong catholic man, I thought. I strode confidently to the vacant makeshift confessional and knelt down. I waited for the (seemingly) obligatory sign of the cross. Nothing came. I looked at the priest and he looked back at me with a sort of half bewildered, half perturbed look on his face. It was as if he was silently asking “what the heck are you doing here???” I brushed it off as maybe I just don’t know the personality and mannerisms of this particular priest… But no sign of the cross to start the confession?? I remember thinking to myself, well maybe he does things different in his parish- no big deal, and so I made the sign of the cross, said the bless me father, blah blah blah… and confessed my sins. He said to meditate on one commandment that I broke to help avoid that sin in the future and to pray for strength to avoid all my other sins. He said: “your penance is 1 Our Father, now you may say your Act of Contrition” which I did.

As soon as I was done with the Act of Contrition he said (and this is verbatim) “your sins are forgiven, go in peace.” No God the Father of Mercy prayer, no “I absolve you of your sins” no laying of his hand on me nor a sign of the cross. Nothing… I simply got “your sins are forgiven, go in peace.” No handshake, no thank you for coming in, no have a nice day, enjoy your Easter, no have a wonderful Holy week experience, no kiss my rear end, go jump in a lake. nothing. I got “your sins are forgiven go in peace.”

The whole confession couldn’t have lasted more than a minute to a minute and a half… And this after watching some very moving and beautiful confessions that lasted 10 minutes or more…I knelt there for a couple of seconds, until my confusion started turning to hurt and anger. And much more hurt than anger. I got up and quickly thought I could go kneel in a pew and say my Our Father, but I thought why??? I said to myself, “self, just say it on your way to your car!” As I walked out of the church I passed 2 other priests who had vacant “confessionals” and for a brief moment I thought about kneeling down and confessing again, kind of a “do over” of sorts. But at that point in time I simply could not get out of that building fast enough. I felt shamed. I felt abandoned. I felt ridiculed. And I felt unforgiven. The last place I wanted to be was inside that church.

And so I left. Quickly. I said my Our Father on my way to the car (why I did, who the hell knows?) and I drove home.

God works in mysterious ways. He sends signs. Sometimes they are quite clear. Sometimes they are crystal clear. Sometimes they are undeniable.

This afternoon was one of those times.

I was always taught the “absolution prayer” along with the sign of the cross that is normally said and performed by the priest is an integral part of the confession. Maybe it is maybe it isn’t. I’ve always believed it is. If I’m wrong I’m probably making a mountain out of a mole hill. At any rate, I’m sure priests are encouraged to show some level of compassion in the confessional. It was as cold of an experience as I could’ve received.
I’ve never experienced anything like this afternoon. Ever.

And it came at the worst possible time that it could come.

Goodbye holy church of Rome. You are not a church of the lost and wayward sheep. You are a church of the “in” crowd. And I get it. I don’t belong.
 
I know I typed this morning on a another thread that I was finished with the catholic church, however… I don’t know what got into me, I guess I must have got caught up in the whole holy ritual and pomp and circumstance of holy week. Our priest, who seems like a really nice guy has been touting a penitential service that was to be held this afternoon at 5 pm. He has been telling of this at every Mass during lent this year and really urging all of us to come. He touted the whole “year of mercy” and all that… Frankly, his actions were quite moving to me and so even though I typed what I type this morning, I put on my Sunday clothes and off to Palm Sunday Mass I went, with every intent to return to the 5pm penitential service. And that is exactly what I did.

I know I’ve been bitter, resentful and cynical of late, but that has not deterred me from regular Mass attendance and from frequenting the confessional. I had the mindset that if I was to get out of my funk and depression I really needed to roll up my shirt sleeves, lace up my boots and put in the work. And it is with this attitude that I went to the penitential service this afternoon.

What I encountered was about 120 people and about 10 priests. We sang a song, our home priest read a reading and then private confessions were heard. I was in absolutely no hurry and so I sat in the pew and listened to the beautiful music on the speakers and watched as people went to confession. We have a large church and many of the 10 priests were within sight of anyone inside the body of the church building. It was frankly a moving experience! I remember thinking maybe I’ll have to rethink this whole “writing off the catholic church” thing after all. I sat and watched (but could not hear) people confessing sins and the priests in true pastoral fashion offering absolution, filled with seemingly mercy and compassion. I was truly touched. It was a beautiful hour wait for me until the lines dwindled down and an open priest slot availed itself to me.

This is where my story takes a turn.

A middle aged priest sat by himself in the alcove of the Blessed Mother, the same alcove in which I light a candle every Sunday. What a perfect situation for a confused, bewildered, slightly angry, much hurt, lifelong catholic man, I thought. I strode confidently to the vacant makeshift confessional and knelt down. I waited for the (seemingly) obligatory sign of the cross. Nothing came. I looked at the priest and he looked back at me with a sort of half bewildered, half perturbed look on his face. It was as if he was silently asking “what the heck are you doing here???” I brushed it off as maybe I just don’t know the personality and mannerisms of this particular priest… But no sign of the cross to start the confession?? I remember thinking to myself, well maybe he does things different in his parish- no big deal, and so I made the sign of the cross, said the bless me father, blah blah blah… and confessed my sins. He said to meditate on one commandment that I broke to help avoid that sin in the future and to pray for strength to avoid all my other sins. He said: “your penance is 1 Our Father, now you may say your Act of Contrition” which I did.

As soon as I was done with the Act of Contrition he said (and this is verbatim) “your sins are forgiven, go in peace.” No God the Father of Mercy prayer, no “I absolve you of your sins” no laying of his hand on me nor a sign of the cross. Nothing… I simply got “your sins are forgiven, go in peace.” No handshake, no thank you for coming in, no have a nice day, enjoy your Easter, no have a wonderful Holy week experience, no kiss my rear end, go jump in a lake. nothing. I got “your sins are forgiven go in peace.”

The whole confession couldn’t have lasted more than a minute to a minute and a half… And this after watching some very moving and beautiful confessions that lasted 10 minutes or more…I knelt there for a couple of seconds, until my confusion started turning to hurt and anger. And much more hurt than anger. I got up and quickly thought I could go kneel in a pew and say my Our Father, but I thought why??? I said to myself, “self, just say it on your way to your car!” As I walked out of the church I passed 2 other priests who had vacant “confessionals” and for a brief moment I thought about kneeling down and confessing again, kind of a “do over” of sorts. But at that point in time I simply could not get out of that building fast enough. I felt shamed. I felt abandoned. I felt ridiculed. And I felt unforgiven. The last place I wanted to be was inside that church.

And so I left. Quickly. I said my Our Father on my way to the car (why I did, who the hell knows?) and I drove home.

God works in mysterious ways. He sends signs. Sometimes they are quite clear. Sometimes they are crystal clear. Sometimes they are undeniable.

This afternoon was one of those times.

I was always taught the “absolution prayer” along with the sign of the cross that is normally said and performed by the priest is an integral part of the confession. Maybe it is maybe it isn’t. I’ve always believed it is. If I’m wrong I’m probably making a mountain out of a mole hill. At any rate, I’m sure priests are encouraged to show some level of compassion in the confessional. It was as cold of an experience as I could’ve received.
I’ve never experienced anything like this afternoon. Ever.

And it came at the worst possible time that it could come.

Goodbye holy church of Rome. You are not a church of the lost and wayward sheep. You are a church of the “in” crowd. And I get it. I don’t belong.
 
Please don’t feel that way. The priests are human, and maybe he was wrong, maybe he wasn’t. I’ve had cold confessors like that, and they do make you feel like that. In 2002 I returned to the Church after getting a strong urge from the Holy Spirit. Only problem it was Holy Week (and I was working) and I called and called, couldn’t make an appointment. Finally on Holy Saturday afternoon went to our parish rectory and the pastor said no confessions that day as the bishop was coming and they were busy. I had been away for 20 years, and I couldn’t stop crying. Went home and called another nearby parish and the priest said to come and did hear my confession. He did tell me to forgive this priest and I did but still remember how hurt I was. I could have just stayed away but I knew I was in mortal sin and my soul was in danger. So please, think again about leaving. You might ask your parish priest privately though if those words should be said or if the priest has an alternate way. Yes, it’s a year of mercy, but all priests aren’t the same. Next time maybe you can confess to another priest you feel more comfortable with.
 
I know I typed this morning on a another thread that I was finished with the catholic church, however… I don’t know what got into me, I guess I must have got caught up in the whole holy ritual and pomp and circumstance of holy week. Our priest, who seems like a really nice guy has been touting a penitential service that was to be held this afternoon at 5 pm. He has been telling of this at every Mass during lent this year and really urging all of us to come. He touted the whole “year of mercy” and all that… Frankly, his actions were quite moving to me and so even though I typed what I type this morning, I put on my Sunday clothes and off to Palm Sunday Mass I went, with every intent to return to the 5pm penitential service. And that is exactly what I did.

I know I’ve been bitter, resentful and cynical of late, but that has not deterred me from regular Mass attendance and from frequenting the confessional. I had the mindset that if I was to get out of my funk and depression I really needed to roll up my shirt sleeves, lace up my boots and put in the work. And it is with this attitude that I went to the penitential service this afternoon.

What I encountered was about 120 people and about 10 priests. We sang a song, our home priest read a reading and then private confessions were heard. I was in absolutely no hurry and so I sat in the pew and listened to the beautiful music on the speakers and watched as people went to confession. We have a large church and many of the 10 priests were within sight of anyone inside the body of the church building. It was frankly a moving experience! I remember thinking maybe I’ll have to rethink this whole “writing off the catholic church” thing after all. I sat and watched (but could not hear) people confessing sins and the priests in true pastoral fashion offering absolution, filled with seemingly mercy and compassion. I was truly touched. It was a beautiful hour wait for me until the lines dwindled down and an open priest slot availed itself to me.

This is where my story takes a turn.

A middle aged priest sat by himself in the alcove of the Blessed Mother, the same alcove in which I light a candle every Sunday. What a perfect situation for a confused, bewildered, slightly angry, much hurt, lifelong catholic man, I thought. I strode confidently to the vacant makeshift confessional and knelt down. I waited for the (seemingly) obligatory sign of the cross. Nothing came. I looked at the priest and he looked back at me with a sort of half bewildered, half perturbed look on his face. It was as if he was silently asking “what the heck are you doing here???” I brushed it off as maybe I just don’t know the personality and mannerisms of this particular priest… But no sign of the cross to start the confession?? I remember thinking to myself, well maybe he does things different in his parish- no big deal, and so I made the sign of the cross, said the bless me father, blah blah blah… and confessed my sins. He said to meditate on one commandment that I broke to help avoid that sin in the future and to pray for strength to avoid all my other sins. He said: “your penance is 1 Our Father, now you may say your Act of Contrition” which I did.

As soon as I was done with the Act of Contrition he said (and this is verbatim) “your sins are forgiven, go in peace.” No God the Father of Mercy prayer, no “I absolve you of your sins” no laying of his hand on me nor a sign of the cross. Nothing… I simply got “your sins are forgiven, go in peace.” No handshake, no thank you for coming in, no have a nice day, enjoy your Easter, no have a wonderful Holy week experience, no kiss my rear end, go jump in a lake. nothing. I got “your sins are forgiven go in peace.”

The whole confession couldn’t have lasted more than a minute to a minute and a half… And this after watching some very moving and beautiful confessions that lasted 10 minutes or more…I knelt there for a couple of seconds, until my confusion started turning to hurt and anger. And much more hurt than anger. I got up and quickly thought I could go kneel in a pew and say my Our Father, but I thought why??? I said to myself, “self, just say it on your way to your car!” As I walked out of the church I passed 2 other priests who had vacant “confessionals” and for a brief moment I thought about kneeling down and confessing again, kind of a “do over” of sorts. But at that point in time I simply could not get out of that building fast enough. I felt shamed. I felt abandoned. I felt ridiculed. And I felt unforgiven. The last place I wanted to be was inside that church.

And so I left. Quickly. I said my Our Father on my way to the car (why I did, who the hell knows?) and I drove home.

God works in mysterious ways. He sends signs. Sometimes they are quite clear. Sometimes they are crystal clear. Sometimes they are undeniable.

This afternoon was one of those times.

I was always taught the “absolution prayer” along with the sign of the cross that is normally said and performed by the priest is an integral part of the confession. Maybe it is maybe it isn’t. I’ve always believed it is. If I’m wrong I’m probably making a mountain out of a mole hill. At any rate, I’m sure priests are encouraged to show some level of compassion in the confessional. It was as cold of an experience as I could’ve received.
I’ve never experienced anything like this afternoon. Ever.

And it came at the worst possible time that it could come.

Goodbye holy church of Rome. You are not a church of the lost and wayward sheep. You are a church of the “in” crowd. And I get it. I don’t belong.
A faith based on emotions and not logic Is the house built on sand.
 
I looked at your earlier post and this one, and I think your understanding of the rules is wrong. The rules are like those light grey practice lines in handwriting books: they guide you until you are competent enough to write on your own; they are not some sort of crazy challenge to see how close you can get to the edge without going over.

Take the rules on fasting. The Church used to have a lot more required fasting than it does now, did you know that? So are they there to drive us crazy and take joy out of our lives? No!!! They are there the way a football coach’s rules are there: you show up to practice, you exercise so much every day, etc. Why? To get good at football. Why the fasting rules? To gain control over your body, and to learn self-control basics to be used in other areas of your life.

Some people need to learn to say no to their bodies and their bodies’ desires. If I see a chocolate cookie in the kitchen, I want to eat it. When I just pick it up mindlessly and eat it, I am giving in. If I do not eat it, then I am increasing my self-control.

And the really wonderful thing is that the Church tells us when to fast, but also when we do not have to fast! I myself need more fasting, because I need more practice, so I do more, but voluntarily, just as a football player might hang around after practice and practice running through those tires some more.

The point of our following the rules is so that we will get so good at them that we will increase in the holy way we live our lives; we will live as if the rules were *tighter *than they are. Instead of fasting the little time required by the Church, we may say we’ll fast *every *Friday.

And we do not simply grit our teeth and fast come what may. We offer this small sacrifice up to God, so it becomes a holy thing we do, not just masochism. We offer it up in gratitude for Christ’s sacrifice; we offer it up to keep Christ company in His suffering the way the classmates of a cancer patient might all save their heads; we offer it up so we won’t be living the “high life” like a freeloader would because Christ dos the heavy work for our salvation.

The monks where you used to live may have given a wrong impression or may have been on the wrong track, but the reality is that eating all you can eat seafood on Friday is like dieting by replacing your good food with vitamin pills while continuing to eat the junk food.
 
The priest you approached for confession was in a different part of the church, an put-of-the-way place? Perhaps he was taking a break from hearing confessions? When you approached him, altho he didn’t respond as if he were going to hear your confession, you didn’t ask if he would hear your confession, just went into it?

Where do you think those 10 priests came from? Where I used to live, there would be a group of parishes that would coordinate their schedules and all the priests would show up first at one parish, then another, then another,… and hear lots of confessions, sometimes for two or three hours at a time. And some of them had to drive pretty long distances to get to some of the parishes. And, all this at the busiest time of year for a priest.

A lot of priests say that hearing confessions is one of the hardest tasks they have. I imagine they have to do a lot of praying so they can stay spiritually rejuvenated because hearing confession sounds draining. Taking breaks during a long session seems reasonable, and then to have someone just walk up when there are 9 other priests in plain sight in the main part of the church–maybe he thought you were in a hurry and wouldn’t want to spend extra time?

I don’t know all that for sure; for all I know, maybe he was just a grouchy priest, but given what you described, I’d say there were even odds that he was not hearing confessions when you found him.

For what it’s worth, it is the understanding of this random stranger on the internet that what he said was all that was required to absolve your sins.

As to your bitterness and anger, make Ann appointment with your regular priest or a priest you like to discuss how to handle those problems. It can be hard for us to lift ourselves, right? And all too often, we lack the knowledge of how to handle issues differently. But there are answers in the Church, altho they are sometimes not to our immediate liking 😉 BTDT, so I can suggest from experience that the Chirch’s ways do work!
 
Jesus then said to the Twelve, “Do you also want to leave?”

Simon Peter answered him, “Master, to whom shall we go?”

If you are going, I hope you don’t go far, and wherever that may be, I pray that the Holy Spirit may bring peace to you, and guide you always toward faith, hope, and love.
 
Wherever you go, God bless, and remember the grass is **not **always greener outside the fence.

ICXC NIKA
 
OP, I’m sorry that maybe this isn’t what you want to hear, but I think you’re way, way overdoing this: you’re leaving the Catholic Church because a priest you went to for confession wasn’t all warm and fuzzy? Really?!?

Seriously, ask yourself if you aren’t way overdoing this (you are).
 
I don’t think Jesus will hate you for giving him the cold shoulder.
 
I know I typed this morning on a another thread that I was finished with the catholic church, however… You are not a church of the lost and wayward sheep. You are a church of the “in” crowd. And I get it. I don’t belong.
I don’t know much about your situation, but stress and depression makes us do rash things. To be honest, I think you are make a rash decision without reflection. You even admitted you did yesterday in your very post here.

Priests sin. This priest sinned (he at bare minimum should have said “I absolve you,” but failed even to do that). I think you would do well to find a strong, holy regular confessor and spiritual adviser. You sound lost and confused 😦 and the purpose of other members of the Church is to build each other up.

I think your emotions are having too much control over your actions. It sounds to me that if you feel better in a week, you will return to the Church. Being whisked around by strong emotions has a tendency to ruin our lives in every part of it, not just concerning the Church.

I think you need to find someone to help you deal with your depression…

Christi pax,

Lucretius
 
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