Going a little overboard with Feminism?

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I ask this in kindness, not in anger. Doesn’t it seem like people in the Church are going a little overboard with focusing on women? Even some shows on EWTN have gone overboard (in my opinon) with it. Before I give examples, my understanding is that The Catholic Church is what led the way for women to be more"equal" in life as it is, therefore, why mess with something that works??

I do feel that the 60’s and 70’s told women all the wrong things and now we’re suffering from it. But now it would appear that it’s somehow becoming the political statement to make at Mass and Catholic media. My examples:

1.) My entire diocese has been scandalized by priests going overboard with involving women. Letting them stand with their arms open over the consecration (it was stopped via direct vatican intervention), giving homilies every sunday or nearly every sunday (happens til this day and the bishop unofficially endorses it), stupid things like saying “my sisters and brothers” instead of “brothers and sisters”. The last one may seem fickle, but here’s my point on it. The normal way of saying it in the english language is brothers and sisters, it has no meaning as said that way. Said with sisters first, it becomes a politcal statement, which should NOT be made at Mass. Mass is for worship, not political statements. Women will sit next to the priest on the altar as if they are concelebrating (frequently).

2.) EWTN shows with Johnnette Benkovic. She always addresses “her sisters” etc. A week ago on her show she went on a very militant rant about how much more special women are then men. She gave horrible reasoning for it, like saying women’s biology is more complicated then men, therefore it is more beautiful and better. If by her reasoning, more complicated is more beautiful, than God must be very ugly as He is pure simplicity (Fr. Corapi quoting Church teaching).

I know the teaching about woman being God’s highest form of creation, but isn’t that teaching specifically about the sinless virgin Mary?

Lastly, I feel that focusing this much on anything is a very bad idea. You place over emphasis on something, which again, I feel is uncessary to begin with, there is always a snap back in the other direction. They hyper focus on this issue (and all the wrong things) and now you have less men involved in the faith.

I welcome differences of opinion and criticisms, thanks for reading. God bless.
 
Hmm, are you presenting an idea such as affirmative action?
 
IsaacSheen said:
Not sure what you mean, could you please explain?
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Too much? To sum it up.

I mean, do you think they have gone overboard to a point where the act of including women is discriminatory in itself?
 
I tend to not think in terms of discrimination. My general point is, it would appear to me people in the US Catholic Church have bought into the secular stupidity on this particular thing. I think it’s unhealthy for men, women and children to see our faith and humanity trampled over for the sake of a current fad/opinion. I’m wondering if people are starting to feel the same way, like I said “overboard”.
 
IsaacSheen said:
I tend to not think in terms of discrimination. My general point is, it would appear to me people in the US Catholic Church have bought into the secular stupidity on this particular thing. I think it’s unhealthy for men, women and children to see our faith and humanity trampled over for the sake of a current fad/opinion. I’m wondering if people are starting to feel the same way, like I said “overboard”.
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So, you don’t feel this is discrimination. What do you feel it is?

You mention it is a current fad/opinion. Fad/opinion of what?
 
I don’t get why everyone has to see discrimination everywhere. I’ve stated what I think it is several times. It’s an excess, it’s overboard, it’s an abuse at Mass, it’s bad policy.

The fad/opinion is that there is some secret to feminity and that it’s been locked up until 1960 (and now) and that the real stuggle of our day is helping women find it. It’s a fad now a days for women to work instead of stay home and any woman who wants to stay home is to be ridiculed for being controlled by her husband. I guess the perfect way to some up the feminist fad of today is this:

At best, it’s going overboard to the point where you make Truth not a Truth anymore (like Jonette on EWTN). It’s not necessarily completely incorrect, it’s just so overboard that it’s falsely represented.

At worst it’s an extreme lack of obedience. I know that word is scandalous to some people, but if you’re Catholic you better get used to it, as you are called to obedience. It’s extreme disobedience by the men and women who will break not only discipline but doctrine in their pursuit of the current fad.

It’s brought mindless rants on EWTN, serious scandal and abuse at Mass (which dishonors the Lord), and abortion (as well as the pill). SO if you want me to say it is discrimination, I’ll say it has brought discrimination of the unborn. Those who have let it in within the Church, especially priests at the pulpit, have taught us that the pill is ok and that women can be priests.

The funny thing with all this is, as people have claimed to be winning battles for women (like the bad idea of letting girls be “altar servers”) we talk less and less about the woman who can teach us the most about true feminism…Mary.
 
“…we talk less and less about the woman who can teach us the most about true feminism…Mary.”

I completely agree with this part of your post; well said 👍
 
I think you’re fairly on point in your examples for what it’s worth. 😃
 
IsaacSheen said:
I don’t get why everyone has to see discrimination everywhere. I’ve stated what I think it is several times. It’s an excess, it’s overboard, it’s an abuse at Mass, it’s bad policy.

The fad/opinion is that there is some secret to feminity and that it’s been locked up until 1960 (and now) and that the real stuggle of our day is helping women find it. It’s a fad now a days for women to work instead of stay home and any woman who wants to stay home is to be ridiculed for being controlled by her husband. I guess the perfect way to some up the feminist fad of today is this:

At best, it’s going overboard to the point where you make Truth not a Truth anymore (like Jonette on EWTN). It’s not necessarily completely incorrect, it’s just so overboard that it’s falsely represented.

At worst it’s an extreme lack of obedience. I know that word is scandalous to some people, but if you’re Catholic you better get used to it, as you are called to obedience. It’s extreme disobedience by the men and women who will break not only discipline but doctrine in their pursuit of the current fad.

It’s brought mindless rants on EWTN, serious scandal and abuse at Mass (which dishonors the Lord), and abortion (as well as the pill). SO if you want me to say it is discrimination, I’ll say it has brought discrimination of the unborn. Those who have let it in within the Church, especially priests at the pulpit, have taught us that the pill is ok and that women can be priests.

The funny thing with all this is, as people have claimed to be winning battles for women (like the bad idea of letting girls be “altar servers”) we talk less and less about the woman who can teach us the most about true feminism…Mary.
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I don’t want you to be forced into using a term you disagree is the appropriate one.

I am seeking understanding of your post. My interests normally lie in focused areas, based upon my talents and base knowledge. For example, I feel knowledgeable in areas such as abortion, contraception and reproductive illnesses.

So, you appear to be alluding to a problem in your original post, but I am making sure I have a good grasp of the problem.

I was thinking you were referring to discrimination against men due to the large focus on women because abuses are rampant in the church. No one said Catholics are perfect, and every church has at one time or another probably done something incorrect.

Yet, this is obviously not the point of your post, as you specifically mention the issue of focusing on women and Church participation.

So, I am honestly wondering, if you do not see this as a form of discrimination against men participating in the Church, and if you see it as a specifically more abhorrent abuse than other typical abuses, what exactly is the post about.
 
calling Johnette Benkovic a ranting feminist is so over the top and ludicrous I hardly care to respond. Especially comparing her very reasoned and sound remarks on the program we both saw, to the abuses perpretrated in some churches which do NOT represent church teaching, is simply absurd.

why take examples of something that is NOT authorized church practice or doctrine and use it to criticise the Church? what can be your motivation for so doing?
 
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calling Johnette Benkovic a ranting feminist is so over the top and ludicrous I hardly care to respond. Especially comparing her very reasoned and sound remarks on the program we both saw, to the abuses perpretrated in some churches which do NOT represent church teaching, is simply absurd.

why take examples of something that is NOT authorized church practice or doctrine and use it to criticise the Church? what can be your motivation for so doing?
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I never called her a ranting feminist, I said she went on a militant feminist rant and she did. I think she is a great Catholic, and I respect her very much. I think she got caught up in the moment and went overboard. I was using her as an example at that point.

As for me using Fr.Corapi’s sermons in relation to those things, I think you’d be hard pressed to find anything coming out of that man’s mouth that isn’t Catholic teaching. If you can, let me know…honestly, I would immediately acknowledge it.

Sounds like you are a fan of Johnette’s. Please re-read my post and notice that I respect her and was commenting on a specific even that happened, not on Johnette’s Catholicism. Also, make the observation that I was listening to her show to begin with…that should be enough for you to know I wasn’t attacking her.
 
Isaac, this so-called “inclusiveness” fad is not only in the church. Its eveywhere in our society. Its part of the ubiqitous culture of political correctness. Some of the examples you use, such as the use of “sisters and brothers”, just make whoever is doing it look stupid. Roanoker
 
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