Going Crazy!!!

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I just got back from Mass and our priest made sure the congregation knew he would like to see priests have the option to marry. He did this during the Homily. One time before this, it was his desire to see women as priests. This is making me crazy. I do not like coming home upset from Mass. Any practical things I can do to mitigate this? The next nearest parish is a 2 hour drive away and I am seriously considering this as an option.
 
It sounds to me like this is your cross to bear. Just let him spout. I’m sure the Vatican will be able to get along without his wisdom. :rolleyes:

And pray for him. Maybe you’ll get a big surprise some Sunday when he announces he had it all wrong. 😃

And yes, for the next person who is going to cite that celibacy for the priesthood is only a discipline and the Holy Father could change it anytime he wants, but considering who we have for pope and his commitment to the celibate priesthood, it ain’t gonna happen on his watch (and please God never).

And, as to women in the ministerial priesthood, the Church has already spoken on this matter and it is settled. So, for those who don’t like it, get over it! 😛
 
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Lizbert:
I just got back from Mass and our priest made sure the congregation knew he would like to see priests have the option to marry. He did this during the Homily. One time before this, it was his desire to see women as priests. This is making me crazy. I do not like coming home upset from Mass. Any practical things I can do to mitigate this? The next nearest parish is a 2 hour drive away and I am seriously considering this as an option.
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Talk to your Bishop calmly and seriously. That guy’s just nuts. I’d really go see the Bishop about that.
 
Both ideas are good. Not sure if I am up to complaining to the Bishop. I will whip out my rosary and start praying next Sunday during the Homily if he starts spouting off. At least I will be doing something to calm my soul and maybe even change his point of view. Thank-you
 
And Lizbert, feel free to stretch your legs or visit the powder room as well. Sorry you are going through this kind of “homily harassment.”
 
A priest told me that when they are expressing a personal opinion, rather than Church teaching, they are supposed to remove their Roman collar. I don’t know if this is true or just what that one priest did. Your priest may be one of those who don’t wear a Roman collar anyway.

BTW there can’t be women ‘priests’ the term would be ‘priestess’. I always use that term when the subject comes up.
 
I think it’s kind of rare for a priest to voice their personal opinion in a homily especially one that goes counter to current Church teaching or policy.

I’ve never really heard any of our priests give a personal opinion contrary, like that.

I suppose priests being human are entitled to have their own opinions BUT if they are not in line with Church policy, they should not be voiced from the pulpit. The Church is NOT a democratic organization, so it is pointless to try to change the opinion of its members in order to change Church policy.

IF such a priest wants to influence policy or voice an opinion then he should be addressing his views to the bishops or Church hierarchy. Even IF someone were to convince the vast majority of the laity to side for married priests or women priests, it is not the laity who is in charge of changing Church policy.

It is still the Pope and the bishops who run and guide the Church. An appeal to parishioners is totally misplaced and a waste of time. All priests should already be aware of this, why one would try to make such statements in a homily is questionable at best.
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Why do you have to go crazy over this??
The practice of Priestly celibacy came in to force only after
more than a thousand years of Priests being allowed to marry
with in Catholic Church
The main reason was the wealth of the church why they
did nt want married priests because there was a chance that
the money of the chuch might end up as priests property
There are oriental rites well with in Catholic Church
WHO STILL HAVE MARRIED PRIESTS!!
One should not be surprised if it goes away
But in general the faithful like to have celibate priests
because that is better for the ministry.

About women’s marriage, the same applies
from a practical stand point, it may not be desirable
to have women priests
But how is a women a lesser human being
It might take a longer while to change than
Priestly celibacy
But i will not be surprised if Catholic Churches allow Women priests

I have met some guys who think that women should not
be distributing communion or serving at the altar

The church is being open one step at a time to these issues

I would wait to see what the next Pope would do as far as these
issues are concerned
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Lizbert:
I just got back from Mass and our priest made sure the congregation knew he would like to see priests have the option to marry. He did this during the Homily. One time before this, it was his desire to see women as priests. This is making me crazy. I do not like coming home upset from Mass. Any practical things I can do to mitigate this? The next nearest parish is a 2 hour drive away and I am seriously considering this as an option.
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Boy did you ever miss the point. The celebration of the Catholic Mass is the one place where both conservative and liberal Catholics alike should be able to expect complete consistency. To do otherwise is to take away the reason for being there. All these other issues should be addressed somewhere else and that is why I was upset.
 
Alright!
You seem to be knowing better than the priest
Ok Pray for him
Relax!
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Lizbert:
Boy did you ever miss the point. The celebration of the Catholic Mass is the one place where both conservative and liberal Catholics alike should be able to expect complete consistency. To do otherwise is to take away the reason for being there. All these other issues should be addressed somewhere else and that is why I was upset.
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For the sake of interest, what diocese is this taking place in? If it were in California or New England, I would be surprised if contacting the bishop would do any good (personal experience- diocese in SF bay area). Otherwise, I strongly agree that the diocese should be contacted over this matter.

Now, more importantly: The churches stance on female priests is based off of the fact that Christ himself appointed no female priests. If any woman in HISTORY was worthy of such an honor, it would have been the Virgin Mary, but she was not offered that distinction and we continue in the tradition Christ initiated. As for priestly marriage, priests are “married to the chruch” and as such are expected to put their proffesion above all else. How can a priest care about a family and his vocation at the same time? Man cannot serve two masters.
 
Another graying and thinning hair headed 1960’s or 70’s progeny priest grabbing straws and vexed over his frustration that his liberal agenda has seen bygone days. Write your Bishop a calm letter expressing your concerns and start counting days until this priest’s retirement. :rolleyes:
 
I have an “American Catholic” sister who always wants to engage in all the same arguments (married priests, women priests, certain abortion rights). Instead of “going crazy”, I drive her ever-so-slightly in that direction by simply proposing she should join any one of a hundred protestant congregations. Then she can have all she wants, be at peace, stop bashing the Pope, and leave the rest of us 999 million Roman Catholics alone.

Of course, she doesn’t want to be a protestant. She wants the Catholic Church to change to suit her and much less than 1% of the rest of the Church. So I do make her grind her teeth a bit, but she knows I love her just the same. 🙂
 
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cmgeo:
Why do you have to go crazy over this??
The practice of Priestly celibacy came in to force only after
more than a thousand years of Priests being allowed to marry
with in Catholic Church
The main reason was the wealth of the church why they
did nt want married priests because there was a chance that
the money of the chuch might end up as priests property
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** Clerical celibacy was a medieval invention. **

Wrong. In the Western Catholic Church, celibacy became universally practiced in the 4th century, beginning with St. Augustine’s adoption of the monastic discipline for all of his priests. In addition to the many practical reasons for this discipline — it was supposed to discourage nepotism — the celibate lifestyle allowed priests to be more independent and available. This ideal also called diocesan priests to live out the same witness as their brothers in monastic life. The Church hasn’t changed her directives for celibacy, because over the centuries she has realized the practical and spiritual value of the practice (Pope Paul VI, On the Celibacy of the Priesthood;, Encyclical letter, 1967). Indeed, even in the Eastern Catholic Church — which includes a married clergy — the bishops are chosen only from unmarried priests.

Christ revealed the true value and meaning of celibacy. Catholic priests from St. Paul to the present have imitated Him in their total gift of self to God and others as celibates. Although Christ raised marriage to the level of a sacrament that reveals the love and life of the Trinity, He was also a living witness to the life of the world to come. The celibate priesthood is for us a living witness to this life in which the unity and joy of marriage between a man and a woman is surpassed in the perfect, loving communion with God. Celibacy properly understood and lived frees a person to love and serve others as Christ did.

Over the past forty years, celibacy has been an even more powerful witness to the loving sacrifice of men and women who offer themselves in service their communities. catholiceducation.org/articles/facts/fm0011.html
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cmgeo:
About women’s marriage, the same applies
from a practical stand point, it may not be desirable
to have women priests
But how is a women a lesser human being
It might take a longer while to change than
Priestly celibacy
But i will not be surprised if Catholic Churches allow Women priests
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I just heard Fr. Corapi teach about this on EWTN. He said that it is an infallible teaching of the Church that women can’t become priests. He said (paraphrasing here) that even if you disgree, or don’t like it, you must accept it if you want to call yourself
Catholic.

And it has nothing to do with women being less of a human being than men. That is just silly. Fr. Corapi said that the most perfectly created creature was a woman. Her name is Mary.

The gates of Hell shall not prevail. We have Jesus’ word on that.
 
If this was my situation, I’d find a different Catholic Church to go to. Iam not saying you have to or should, but if it was me, indeed.
 
Is there an early Sunday Mass without a homily? :hmmm:

They should have such Masses. for this very reason. Priests off the track. :clapping:
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Lizbert:
I just got back from Mass and our priest made sure the congregation knew he would like to see priests have the option to marry. He did this during the Homily. One time before this, it was his desire to see women as priests. This is making me crazy. I do not like coming home upset from Mass. Any practical things I can do to mitigate this? The next nearest parish is a 2 hour drive away and I am seriously considering this as an option.
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We must go to the same church. No wait, you live in a different part of the country than I do. I suppose this is happening all over the place these days. It’s very discouraging, isn’t it? i, too, am at my wits end with the Church.
 
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AMJ:
I have an “American Catholic” sister who always wants to engage in all the same arguments (married priests, women priests, certain abortion rights). Instead of “going crazy”, I drive her ever-so-slightly in that direction by simply proposing she should join any one of a hundred protestant congregations. Then she can have all she wants, be at peace, stop bashing the Pope, and leave the rest of us 999 million Roman Catholics alone.

Of course, she doesn’t want to be a protestant. She wants the Catholic Church to change to suit her and much less than 1% of the rest of the Church. So I do make her grind her teeth a bit, but she knows I love her just the same. 🙂
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Yet by remaining such people are driving people like me to the protestants. If enough of us leave, she’ll have her way in due time.
 
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