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BenjaminD
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Would it be wrong for a Roman Catholic to go to a Coptic Church every once in awhile?
What exactly is the difference between the two sects?
What exactly is the difference between the two sects?
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ConstantineTG
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Coptic Catholic or Orthodox?
Either way, its not wrong. Only difference is you cannot receive the Eucharist in the Orthodox one and it does not fulfill your Sunday Obligation.
Either way, its not wrong. Only difference is you cannot receive the Eucharist in the Orthodox one and it does not fulfill your Sunday Obligation.
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ciero
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can we PLEASE not get into the Sunday obligation thing again.
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ConstantineTG
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The OP is Roman Catholiccan we PLEASE not get into the Sunday obligation thing again.
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ConstantineTG
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Going back about the difference, There is difference in tradition between the Roman and Coptic Churches. Here is a YouTube video of an entire Coptic Liturgy (1.5 hours)
youtube.com/watch?v=aVFgnHHOWHc
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angelic06
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Praised be to Jesus Christ!
Very beautiful chanting!
(I just started to watch this as soon as I saw this link.) Since this is an Orthodox one, I hope the Catholic ones are just as beautiful.
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ciero
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Unfortunately the 2 Coptic Catholic Churches in the US are very heavily Latinized. No traditional Coptic chanting, priest facing the people and lots of modern Latin Rite music, along with guitars and synthesizers.Praised be to Jesus Christ!
Very beautiful chanting!
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Aramis
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Yep. Especially since, if the person is in the US, the USCCB’s Ecumenical Directory allows attending an Orthodox DL for ecumenical or educational reasons to fulfill the obligation.So?
And this point is widely disputed.
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ConstantineTG
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- Since the celebration of the Eucharist on the Lord’s Day is the foundation and centre of the whole liturgical year, Catholics—but those of Eastern Churches according to their own Law—are obliged to attend Mass on that day and on days of precept. It is not advisable therefore to organize ecumenical services on Sundays, and it must be remembered that even when Catholics participate in ecumenical services or in services of other Churches and ecclesial Communities, the obligation of participating at Mass on these days remains.
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Aramis
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Irrelevant, since the Ecumenical Directory is approved by Rome, as well. The US has an indult.
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ConstantineTG
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link?
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5Loaves
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I’m unfamiliar with the Coptic Catholic Churches. According to this article from the Catholic Near East Welfare Association site it seems that not only the Coptic Catholics in the US who have been greatly influenced by the Latin Church. It lists
Those don’t sound like names any orthodox Oriental or Eastern Catholic monastics would use.
Of the four churches in the US and Canada it seems only St. Mary Coptic Catholic Church has a website. They are on the liturgical calendar of the Latin Church, currently in “Ordinary time”.
To OP BenjaminD-- Welcome to the CAF Eastern Catholicism section!
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OrdinaryMelkite
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Slightly OT, but the Floors in our Melkite Church are being renovated Shortly (close to Three Weeks), so the Orthodox Coptic Church here in Augusta has Graciously allowed Us ECers to Hold Liturgy at Their Church for the next 2-3 Weeks or so.
They don’t have a Permanent Priest with them (The One they do Have comes from Atlanta) and their services they do have are Held on Saturday, so it works for us Melkites here in Augusta.
I’m looking forward to it, personally. Never been inside an OC Church before. And it is VERY Charitable of the OC to lend Us their Church for Meantime, given that Orthodox supposedly don’t “cater” to ECs and RCs.
They don’t have a Permanent Priest with them (The One they do Have comes from Atlanta) and their services they do have are Held on Saturday, so it works for us Melkites here in Augusta.
I’m looking forward to it, personally. Never been inside an OC Church before. And it is VERY Charitable of the OC to lend Us their Church for Meantime, given that Orthodox supposedly don’t “cater” to ECs and RCs.
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OrdinaryMelkite
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That’s not so Bad. If You REALLY want to see Romanized/Latinized Liturgy, try the Maronites. In fact, they (surprisingly) have no Orthodox Equivalent.I’m unfamiliar with the Coptic Catholic Churches. According to this article from the Catholic Near East Welfare Association site it seems that not only the Coptic Catholics in the US who have been greatly influenced by the Latin Church. It lists
Those don’t sound like names any orthodox Oriental or Eastern Catholic monastics would use.
Of the four churches in the US and Canada it seems only St. Mary Coptic Catholic Church has a website. They are on the liturgical calendar of the Latin Church, currently in “Ordinary time”.
To OP BenjaminD-- Welcome to the CAF Eastern Catholicism section!
As a matter of fact, Maronite Leaders actually are trying to incorporate EC and Orthodox Services and Practices to the Maronite Mass/Liturgy so they don’t feel they are Totally “Roman.”
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malphono
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I’ve heard this. While I’ve no personal experience, I have seen several telecasts of Coptic CC liturgies (not from the US) and was left with mixed impressions. One that I saw about a year ago was lovely: ad orientem, all Coptic chant (some actually in Coptic), etc. The two I saw this month, however, were otherwise: both used the “table” and one was recited and had no Coptic chant at all, (a few modern hymns from the congregation). The other was better but the chant was mixed (and I don’t mean just language). Both had several concelebrants, none of whom were Copts, and parts of the liturgy were taken straight from the non-Coptic books, I suppose for the convenience of the concelebrants. In short, the recent two were quite disappointing. Looks like more Novus Ordo-inspired neo-latinizations. And here I thought the Copts were free of that. Guess I was wrong.
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malphono
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True, but it’s not only the Maronites. Try a Syro-Malabar Mass. They are equally, if not more so, tainted by Novus Ordo-inspired neo-latinization.
Where did you get that idea?As a matter of fact, Maronite Leaders actually are trying to incorporate EC and Orthodox Services and Practices to the Maronite Mass/Liturgy so they don’t feel they are Totally “Roman.”
I’ve never seen or heard anything of the sort, at least not from other than a handful of Maronite priests (in the US) who are hot to “Melkitize” things. What those guys do makes another stew which is just as tasteless to those of us who actually care as the latinized one.
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angelic06
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Some of us don’t even like the above in our own Latin Church. And I can assure you, for us Latins who are looking for a genuine experience at least, when we go to Eastern churches we don’t want a Latin Mass, even with the best of Latin traditions, a la a priest under a different hierarchy.
I can assume that when Easterners do vice versa, they will want a true Roman Mass as well, not a hodgepodge of rituals.
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OrdinaryMelkite
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I should have specified—sorry. Got this from a Fellow Melkite (and High Up in MY Church) who is in contact with Maronite folk, and he told me that SOME Maronite Churches in the US are trying to incorporate some Eastern material in their Liturgies/Masses. Or at least Conider this. As far as I know, this is with the approval of some Local Maronite Eparch/Dioceses (I’m unsure fo the Correct term for those, sorry).True, but it’s not only the Maronites. Try a Syro-Malabar Mass. They are equally, if not more so, tainted by Novus Ordo-inspired neo-latinization.
Where did you get that idea?
Should have specified that there is NO “Mandate” for more “Eastern Orthodoxiation” in the Maronite Church. But there are People “Sympathetic” to more Eastern Influence, I can assure you of that. I agree that I suppose MOST Maronites oppose that.
DID not know about the Syro-Balabar Latin Mass. Interesting.
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OrdinaryMelkite
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I don’t like it either. I prefer the Beautiful Chanting/Singing Of Our Melkite Traditions. If I want to hear that, I will Go Roman.
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