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tyson
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A while back I had heard a teaching on catholic radio where the Father was saying that once someone has come to know the truth and accepts to reject it that he/she would go to hell. If so is this true?
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Church_Militant
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Only if they persist in that until death. There have been any number of people who initially rejected the truth. (St. Augustine comes to mind…) and later converted.
Pax tecum,
Pax tecum,
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I_Leatherman
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If you decide not to travel there, where else is left for you to go?
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tyson
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Can someone tell me where this is wether the Bible or Catechism?? thanks
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I_Leatherman
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St. John: 68 Then Jesus said to the twelve: Will you also go away? 69 And Simon Peter answered him: Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.Can someone tell me where this is wether the Bible or Catechism?? thanks
Eternal death being the converse?
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Church_Militant
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.St. John: 68 Then Jesus said to the twelve: Will you also go away? 69 And Simon Peter answered him: Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life
Eternal death being the converse?Good answer I L!
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scylla
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It is simply a logical conclusion.
Lets say you are aware of truth, here is a simple part of truth.
God exists and loves you.
You reject that, you essentially have rejected Heaven which when you get to your judgment you would be standing in front of God stating I reject your authority and that you love me.
Then you would not want to be in heaven as you are essentially rejecting it.
You are happier in hell then, where unfortunately you are miserable.
God Bless
Scylla
Lets say you are aware of truth, here is a simple part of truth.
God exists and loves you.
You reject that, you essentially have rejected Heaven which when you get to your judgment you would be standing in front of God stating I reject your authority and that you love me.
Then you would not want to be in heaven as you are essentially rejecting it.
You are happier in hell then, where unfortunately you are miserable.
God Bless
Scylla
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roblrich
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You cannot ‘truly’ believe unless you obey. To believe and not obey is to disobey God!
John 3:36 “He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God rests upon him.”
John 3:36 “He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God rests upon him.”
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trogiah
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The gospels are very clear about the road to condemnation. Those who condemn are the ones who risk condemnation. Those who practice forgiveness are the ones who will be forgiven. If this idea is the “truth” that the priest on the radio was talking about then in a sense it is true. If not then perhaps the priest was distorted, more or less, in his understanding of the path to hell.A while back I had heard a teaching on catholic radio where the Father was saying that once someone has come to know the truth and accepts to reject it that he/she would go to hell. If so is this true?
Jim
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CNCIBC9
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I believe that it is a priest’s job to warn people about Hell and how one would end up there.The gospels are very clear about the road to condemnation. Those who condemn are the ones who risk condemnation. Those who practice forgiveness are the ones who will be forgiven. If this idea is the “truth” that the priest on the radio was talking about then in a sense it is true. If not then perhaps the priest was distorted, more or less, in his understanding of the path to hell.
Jim
The trouble lies with people that say “you are definitely going to hell!” As this would be judging a person’s soul which only the Lord can do.
In fact i think that many priest’s today don’t talk enough about Hell. People just don’t fear hell as much as they used to.
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Mintaka
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It is important to point out that there’s knowing about something and really knowing it. For example, if someone taught you the Nicene Creed in another language, simply as a sequence of unexplained sounds, would you really know the Nicene Creed?
There are a lot of people out there who “know” about Christianity. Do they really know it to believe it? Have they seen people live it, or just heard the words mouthed? Do they have a spirit that can appreciate it, or have they been kicked around by life so much that they can’t trust anyone, even God?
A lot of people who reject Christianity have never really known the truth in any real sense. Such people will not be judged harshly; and many will be found to have followed Christ in their deeds and hearts as well as they could, despite their ignorance. Rather, it is those who never taught them to know Christ who will be judged.
There are a lot of people out there who “know” about Christianity. Do they really know it to believe it? Have they seen people live it, or just heard the words mouthed? Do they have a spirit that can appreciate it, or have they been kicked around by life so much that they can’t trust anyone, even God?
A lot of people who reject Christianity have never really known the truth in any real sense. Such people will not be judged harshly; and many will be found to have followed Christ in their deeds and hearts as well as they could, despite their ignorance. Rather, it is those who never taught them to know Christ who will be judged.
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roblrich
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And as Father Corapi said recently, he believes, as do I, that those teaching false doctrine will be judged harshest, even more harsh than rapists and murderers.A lot of people who reject Christianity have never really known the truth in any real sense. Such people will not be judged harshly; and many will be found to have followed Christ in their deeds and hearts as well as they could, despite their ignorance. Rather, it is those who never taught them to know Christ who will be judged.
These false teachers are ones that recognize that their denomination probably isn’t true and correct and they come to believe that Catholicism is the true Church, but they make their living or some part of it through their preachings and they don’t want to convert from the inconvenience or harm to their income. I think that’s why many protestant pastors are converting and bringing part or most of their protestant congregation. There are many examples of this…
That’s my opinion anyway.
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DeFide
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Are you thinking of any of these passages?;Can someone tell me where this is wether the Bible or Catechism?? thanks
Mt 24:13 - those who persevere to the end will be saved
Rom 11:22 - remain in his kindness or you will be cut off
Gal 5:4 - separated from Christ, you’ve fallen from grace
2Tim 2:11-13 - must hold out to the end to reign with Christ
Hb 6:4-6 - describes sharers in Holy Spirit who then fall away
Heb 10:26-27 - if sin after receiving truth, judgment remains
2Pet 2: 20-22
For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overpowered, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. It has happened to them according to the true proverb, The dog turns back to his own vomit, and the sow is washed only to wallow in the mire.
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