Going to Protestant funeral

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ihm1993 said:
Not if one holds heretical beliefs and denies Catholic Dogma. The Catholic Faith was created by God. The protestant sect was created by a rebellious ex-monk driven by the devil. To say you don’t have to be in communion with the Catholic Church to be saved, is to say that all the Catholic martyrs who laid down their lives for the Church during the protestant revolution dies in vain. You are ignorant. How about studying the Catholic Faith before Vatican II took place.
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How much earlier do you want me to go?

I checked the Baltimore Catechism. I couldn’t find anything.

How about you back up your statements with something.
 
Le_Cracquere said:
One could also end up accidentally touching us or being obliged to shake one of our hands. Beware!
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ihm1993 said:
Popes before Vatican II have acknoweleged and frequently stated that there is no salvation outside the Church. So to go and acknowelege that a schismatic person would go to heaven, is a open denial of the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation. To reject that dogma takes you out of communion with the Church. And of course the vatican II “Deacon” who replied to my post wouldnt stand by TRUE Church dogma.
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Some saint has said that, of all Christians, Protestants spend the most time in Purgatory, not because they are worse sinners than the Catholics or Orthodox, but, only because they have nobody to pray for them. Protestants make it to Purgatory so they make it to Heaven. Regardless, though, this is not the time to get political. A funeral is a funeral, regardless of denomination. Even an athiest has the right to be remembered, and charitably prayed for.
 
adstrinity said:
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Some saint has said that, of all Christians, Protestants spend the most time in Purgatory, not because they are worse sinners than the Catholics or Orthodox, but, only because they have nobody to pray for them. Protestants make it to Purgatory so they make it to Heaven. Regardless, though, this is not the time to get political. A funeral is a funeral, regardless of denomination. Even an athiest has the right to be remembered, and charitably prayed for.
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Would you mind giving the saint and the quote? Doesn’t this contradict NO salvation outside the Catholic Church dogma? How could a protestant make it to Heaven (provided that he’s not invincibly ignorant)?
 
aball1035 said:
Would you mind giving the saint and the quote? Doesn’t this contradict NO salvation outside the Catholic Church dogma? How could a protestant make it to Heaven (provided that he’s not invincibly ignorant)?
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Because nobody truly knows who is in Heaven and who is in hell (St. Paul wasn’t even sure of his own salvation). So why avoid any funeral if we in fact have no clue what the destination of their soul is. Be on the safe side and pray hard.
 
aball1035 said:
Would you mind giving the saint and the quote? Doesn’t this contradict NO salvation outside the Catholic Church dogma? How could a protestant make it to Heaven (provided that he’s not invincibly ignorant)?
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Do you REALLY believe that Our Loving God would not allow faithful Christians of whatever denomination into Heaven?
 
aball1035 said:
Would you mind giving the saint and the quote? Doesn’t this contradict NO salvation outside the Catholic Church dogma? How could a protestant make it to Heaven (provided that he’s not invincibly ignorant)?
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I wouldn’t mind giving it at all if I could find it.

This does not contradict the teaching as we understand it today.

Because, Protestants, for all their foibles, are Protestants because they think that theirs is the best way to love God. They have chosen their denomination because it makes sense to them and allows them to love, know, and serve God. They may know of the Apostolic Faith, and for whatever reason, they cannot accept it. Keep in mind, “Protestantism” covers a lot of ground. Some may believe in things more Traditionally than others.

Protestants can make it to Heaven the same way anybody can: If you know of Jesus, accept His Love and why He did what He did and immitate Him. If you don’t know of Jesus, love your understanding of God as best as you can.
 
As has been said before, the Church is bound by Christ but Christ is not bound by the Church. The Church still teaches no salvation outside of the Church but also recognizes that certain protestant bodies do contain elements of Truth. The question then becomes, how efficacious is it for the salvation of their souls? The answer is, we don’t know, so we do what Christ told us and withhold the judgment of others. Christ Himself told Saint Faustina that the depths of His mercy are infinite; that everyone has a right to His mercy, but that the greater ones sins are, the greater right he has to His mercy, “even if his sins be as scarlet.” I refuse to believe that a non-Catholic who cries out for Christ’s mercy will have his cries fall on deaf ears because you’re not Catholic, including those who pray for them.
 
aball1035 said:
Doesn’t this contradict NO salvation outside the Catholic Church dogma? How could a protestant make it to Heaven (provided that he’s not invincibly ignorant)?
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ihm1993 said:
Popes before Vatican II have acknoweleged and frequently stated that there is no salvation outside the Church. So to go and acknowelege that a schismatic person would go to heaven, is a open denial of the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation. To reject that dogma takes you out of communion with the Church. And of course the vatican II “Deacon” who replied to my post wouldnt stand by TRUE Church dogma.
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Firstly, I believe that CAF makes a very thorough check on anyone claiming to be ordained to make sure they actually are. Your scare-quotes around “Deacon” are unwarranted.

Secondly, a funeral is not an acknowledgement that someone is in Heaven. That would be canonization.

Thirdly, Pope Pius IX stated "For, it must be held by faith that outside the Apostolic Roman Church, no one can be saved;…but, on the other hand, it is necessary to hold for certain that they who labor in ignorance of the true religion, if this ignorance be invincible, are not stained by any guilt in this matter in the eyes of God. Now, in truth, who would arrogate so much to himself as to mark the limits of such an ignorance…?

Third-point-five: I found this quote in “From Ecumenism to Silent Apostasy”, published by the SSPX.
 
Spirithound said:
Firstly, I believe that CAF makes a very thorough check on anyone claiming to be ordained to make sure they actually are. Your scare-quotes around “Deacon” are unwarranted.
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Thanks Spirithound for your confidence in me and my orders. I think IHM was probably saying that I am a ‘Vat II’ ‘Deacon’ and therefore he does not recognise the Permanent Diaconate…
 
ihm1993 said:
You should definately not go. To go what be to recognize openly that you reject the dogma: Outside the Church, there is absolutely no salvation. It is a mortal sin for a catholic to attend any non-catholic service.
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I am so sorry for you to be so totally rigid in your beliefs. Unless this is meant as a joke??? The Catholic Church I grew up in does not teach this non-sense. I suggest you go to your local priest and let him explain the church teachings on this subject.

My prayers for you,

Mom of 5
 
I think people take invincible ignorance too lightly these days. Sure, a Protestant, Buddhist, or even an Atheist could get to Heaven provided that they were invincibly ignorant. I have no problem with that. Somehow, so many people go too far with it and seem to have a “when in doubt, they were invincibly ignorant, and are probably in Heaven right now” point of view for the dead.

Just my 2 cents
 
The problem that IHM1993 and some others have is that they don’t understand what it means to be in the Roman Catholic Church or outside of it. It is still taught and has always been taught that those outside the Church are lost, but the definition of what outside the Church means has been sharpened up considerably since Vatican II.

As far as non-Catholic funerals and weddings I know my family and I attended them as far back as 1941 and there was never any question of it being wrong unless one of the wedding party was a lapsed Catholic and my Mother was one of those folks described by my cousins as a fanatic Catholic. 🙂
 
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