Going To The Store: Mortal Sin to Buy From Stores That Sell Abortion Pill??

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I agree with Robert. I would not say someone is doing wrong by refusing to purchase from a place for any reason.

Alan

Presumably the answer to the OP’s query would be answered by applying the same principles as whatever answer allows Catholics to design armaments or join the forces.​

If Catholics can without sin work in munitions factories or participate in the design of chemical weapons, it’s hard to see why merely buying from shops that stock abortifacients should be unethical. If a shop sold nothing but abortifacients, that would be a different matter - but if it sells a lot of other things, it’s hard to see where there is a problem - for this is remoter from buying abortifacients than the other activity.

How is destroying the lives of those outside the womb with chemical or other weapons, any less reprehensible than killing those still in it by means of a saline drip or an IUD ?
 
I knowingly pay taxes to a government that sanctions and protects the killing of the unborn, and since I live in the state of Oregon, the terminally ill. If said government changed its laws then such products like Plan B would not be on the store shelves. Could not your application of the double effect put me into a moral dilemma with regard to paying taxes when there’s a chance even a penny of my taxes could go to help fund an abortion?
No, you have to pay your taxes. I distinctively remember on a recent EWTN series on Natural Law, the host, Professor Charles Rice, professor of law emeritus at Notre Dame School of Law, said our government does some evil things with the revenue it receives.

In my opinion, we do have corrupt state and federal governments, but they do provide for the Common Good by defending the nation, providing police and fire services, and arbitrating disputes.

But I remember that Professor Rice said you have to pay your taxes.

Someone once said “Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.” I have doubt as whether if we have a 100% civilized society, but if you didn’t pay your tax, and if other people withheld it, there would be anarchy and there would be no law and order, or military, essential services, and the Barbarians would invade.

So, the question of the Double Effect and Government works a little differently than going to the store.

If we want to change our government’s policiesit isn’t by withholding our tax money, but by using the democratic process to achieve change by voting, forming a political party, maybe running for office.

However, most of us can control which stores we shop at and when we shop.

OK, I’m not an expert on the Double Effect, so I would like to** limit this discussion**🙂 to my original question about whether it is a sin, mortal or venial, to knowingly shop at a store that sells drugs that murder innocent human life.

I can’t sit here and write a treatise to everyone’s laundry list of questions about the Double Effect. If you have a question about the Double Effect please that does not involve shopping and Going To The Store, please start your own Thread.🙂

I understand why you asked the questions, and it is a good question, and they are somewhat related since they are questions about Double Effect, but I really want to focus in and limit the discussion to the original question that I asked.

Now, I have to write on national missile defense.🙂

Gottle of Geer, I really don’t want to spend any more time on this question you’ve posed.🙂

This Thread is about Going To The Store; this Thread is not, and was not intended to be a general discussion about the Double Effect. Your question is way off topic.🙂 If you want to pose a new question, I respecfully suggest that you start your own Thread.🙂

However, I will try to write an rudimentary answer to your question without getting bogged down in a lot of details.

There is no doubt that WMD are in general, a bad thing; however, because other nations like China, Russia, Pakistan have nuclear weapons and other WMD, in order to provide an adequate defense, a nation can use these weapons for defense, as a deterrent to other countries.

That’s the reality of the world we live in now.

So, it isn’t necessarily sinful to work at such a munitions factory, I would say, otherwise a rogue nation could hold another hostage if they have a WMD and another nation does not have them.

The use of nuclear and other WMD is up to the Commander and Chief of the United States.

If they are used, strictly on military targets, their use may be legitimate.

However, your question, though a good question, is **beyond the scope **of this particular Thread, and has nothing to do, nor does it answer the original question that I posed.🙂

If you want to discuss your question about the Double Effect any further, please post your own Thread.🙂
 
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As far as the specific question, I don’t even know if my local supermarkets (all of whom have pharmacies) dispense abortificants. My guess is that most all of them do. 🤷 I know my butcher, baker and produce shop don’t. 👍

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I have never heard of a Pharmacy NOT selling oral contraceptives.

All oral contraceptives are abortifacients. If you don’t believe me do the reasearch. The pill has a triple efffect to prevent pregnancy…the last line of “defense” is preparing the uterine enviornment so a FERTILIZED egg cannot be implanted…THAT IS ABORTION> I hate abortion…

I hope the OP never gets sick and needs a life saving medication… They will not find a pharmacy that doesnt sell the pill.I am sure they don’t want to be a martyr.
 
Now if it was a store that went out of its way to specialize in condoms, birth control pills, plan B, weird sexual aides, pornography, etc. One that advertised these and pushed the idea that they were the best source of all needs of the sexually active, I might agree with someone who said patronizing such an establishment was very likely a mortal sin. But your ordinary main street drug store, Wal-Mart, Target, Ford Motor Company, etc. seems to me to be a real stretch. The next question will be,"Is it a mortal sin for an indigent person to accept canned goods from a food shelf where it is known that the ladies from the local house of prostitution made a contribution. 🤷
 
The next question will be,"Is it a mortal sin for an indigent person to accept canned goods from a food shelf where it is known that the ladies from the local house of prostitution made a contribution. 🤷
Depends on what they contributed. 😛

Alan
 
IMHO the situation is a simple one. This is where I become pro-choice I can choose with feet, money and talents not to support those that promote things I see as evil. If you have an alternative available to a business that supports things you do not feel are moral then it is your choice to not do business with a company. For this to be of any long tern use you need to let the companies and businesses know why you will not do business with them.

If only one store has an item that is necessary for me to purchase and they also promote immoral items then we only buy the one item from them and let them know why.

As we feel that all of our purchases come from the blessings that God has provided we find it is our duty to be wise and informed in how and where we spread those blessings.
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As I said earlier this is one way to handle this. It is what we do.👍
 
Dwyer, Do you also avoid any and all medications made by Barr Pharmaceuticals? If any company should be boycotted, it should be the company who makes Plan B, don’t you think? One of the highly used generic products they produce is used for patients with heart disease or who are at high risks of having a stroke. How about the many other companies that make oral contraceptives? Do you boycott those companies when you need medication? Heck, a while ago somewhere I heard that one should boycott Astra Zeneca for some immoral reason which would be great if that company didn’t make the asthma medication that was required for my daughter to be able to breath. It seems buying from the company that produces sinful medication is cooperating more than purchasing from a store whose pharmacy sells the product.
 
Dwyer, Do you also avoid any and all medications made by Barr Pharmaceuticals? If any company should be boycotted, it should be the company who makes Plan B, don’t you think? One of the highly used generic products they produce is used for patients with heart disease or who are at high risks of having a stroke. How about the many other companies that make oral contraceptives? Do you boycott those companies when you need medication? Heck, a while ago somewhere I heard that one should boycott Astra Zeneca for some immoral reason which would be great if that company didn’t make the asthma medication that was required for my daughter to be able to breath. It seems buying from the company that produces sinful medication is cooperating more than purchasing from a store whose pharmacy sells the product.
I am not Dwyer but our family does not invest our retirement money into these companies. As what we do is purchase only the item from a pre-death company that we can not get from anther source.
 
As a side point I think in some states pharmacies have been forced to sell the morning after pill by the courts and/or state legislature. So in my opinion it would not be a sin to shop in those stores. I think in Maryland for example Wal Mart was forced to sell the morning after pill by the state legislature
 
As a side point I think in some states pharmacies have been forced to sell the morning after pill by the courts and/or state legislature. So in my opinion it would not be a sin to shop in those stores. I think in Maryland for example Wal Mart was forced to sell the morning after pill by the state legislature
Agreed:)
 
As a side point I think in some states pharmacies have been forced to sell the morning after pill by the courts and/or state legislature. So in my opinion it would not be a sin to shop in those stores. I think in Maryland for example Wal Mart was forced to sell the morning after pill by the state legislature
**A couple of states **have passed legislation that pharmacies must carry Plan B; in a quick internet search. I only found that Massachusetts and Illinois have done so.

Wal Mart may have been legislated in a state or a couple of states to carry Plan B, but that doesn’t explain, in my opinion, their complete cave in on the entire issue by then issuing a statement Wal-Mart stores are going to carry Plan B in every store in every state in the Union.

In my opinion, Wal-Mart has the financial resources and $$$ to defend themselves from law suits from abortion advocates.

I would even guess that there are Christian legal groups like Heritage Foundation who would have defended them for free.

But instead, in my opinion, Wal-Mart used the lawsuits brought by individuals to throw its arms in the air, cave in, and use the lawsuits as **an excuse **to sell Plan B Death Pill in every store.

In my opinion, a company with billions of bucks, which doesn’t even try to defend itself at all, isn’t living up to its ability as a corporate citizen, doesn’t gain my sympathy, and doesn’t deserve my money.
 
**A couple of states **have passed legislation that pharmacies must carry Plan B; in a quick internet search. I only found that Massachusetts and Illinois have done so.

Wal Mart may have been legislated in a state or a couple of states to carry Plan B, but that doesn’t explain, in my opinion, their complete cave in on the entire issue by then issuing a statement Wal-Mart stores are going to carry Plan B in every store in every state in the Union.

In my opinion, Wal-Mart has the financial resources and $$$ to defend themselves from law suits from abortion advocates.

I would even guess that there are Christian legal groups like Heritage Foundation who would have defended them for free.

But instead, in my opinion, Wal-Mart used the lawsuits brought by individuals to throw its arms in the air, cave in, and use the lawsuits as **an excuse **to sell Plan B Death Pill in every store.

In my opinion, a company with billions of bucks, which doesn’t even try to defend itself at all, isn’t living up to its ability as a corporate citizen, doesn’t gain my sympathy, and doesn’t deserve my money.
Okay…In my opinion, you are wrong. 🤷

Case closed. 😉
 
From my original post:
What is your informed Catholic view?? I’m I right???

(I’d prefer that this thread doesn’t become a forum for secularist versus Catholic opinions.

According to Catholic moral teaching, the Plan B pill is an Abortion Pill, no ands, ifs, or buts about it.

I am seeking the Catholic Answer to my question).
If you wish to start your own thread, arguing that there is no moral issue involved in Wal-Mart’s business operations with regard to the Abortion Pill, go ahead.😃
 
Well I have tried quite a lot of political sites…and when they publish stuff that is favorable to individuals I detest…ie Rudy,Mc,Huck,any Demo I tell them…if the following week I see a listing of columns again doing the same thing.I write and tell them to un-subscribe me…each of us have to deal with problems like the above…are there any practical choices (ahh that buzz word of new age)can we shop elsewhere…years back during the time of the communist chinese slaughter of college kids in the streets I asked my eye specialist about it as he was giving me an exam…he mumbled that we should not get involved…etc…that was the last time I went to him…I had gone to him for some 10 years! So there is a line to cross ,as at the Alamo…I cancelled my subscription to a mag that I had been buying for 30 years…but when they published an article hitting Lincoln I wrote to the editor,he did not publish my letter and so I cancelled after all this time.another paper, a ‘catholic’ one also for 30+years…had two columists who I considered neo’s…one was always hitting Israel and ‘them’ and the other was a cutsy NR type…golly I like so and so but he cant win so I will vote for the lesser of two evils nonsense…and advertising for a mag …some kind of OXford rev…that published an anon letter hitting my favorite saint Goretti…I said good by forever to the newspaper…so its all up to the individual…how long does your moral line stretch…
 
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Dwyer:
If you wish to start your own thread, arguing that there is no moral issue involved in Wal-Mart’s business operations with regard to the Abortion Pill, go ahead.😃
My opinions are just as valid as yours. If you don’t want other people’s opinions, then don’t start threads.

If you want to waste your time boycotting every company that has even a whiff of being against Catholic teaching, feel free. In my opinion, Wal-Mart does a much better job than most. I’m sure the Pro-Homosexual Marriage groups who are boycotting Wal-Mart right now because they won’t provide medical coverage to same-sex partners will appreciate your boycott adding to their efforts.
 
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Dwyer:
From my original post:
What is your informed Catholic view?? I’m I right???

(I’d prefer that this thread doesn’t become a forum for secularist versus Catholic opinions.

According to Catholic moral teaching, the Plan B pill is an Abortion Pill, no ands, ifs, or buts about it.

I am seeking the Catholic Answer to my question).
I am an informed Catholic, therefore, my opinions are an informed Catholic’s opinion.
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Dwyer:
If you wish to start your own thread, arguing that there is no moral issue involved in Wal-Mart’s business operations with regard to the Abortion Pill, go ahead.😃
Why would I do that? The title of your thread is: “Going To The Store: Mortal Sin to Buy From Stores That Sell Abortion Pill??”

Obviously, my answer is “no.” If you weren’t looking for answers to your question, then don’t ask a question. 🤷
 
What is my moral obligation to research companies I do business with to find out if they fund/support/sell things that are morally objectionable?
 
Wal-Mart defends itself in court and appeals a decision involving alleged sexual discrimination against its own employees:

forbes.com/2004/06/23/cx_da_0623topnews.html

Well, Wal-Mart was sure more than willing to defend itself and spend mucho $$$ in legal bills against some of its female employees who claimed they were sexually discriminated against on the job.

According to the article cited above, Wal-Mart had $256,000,000,000 **Billion dollars **in sales in 2003.

That’s a pretty big chunk of change.

Wal-Mart, in my opinion, definitely has the financial resources to defend themselves against any lawsuit that anyone brings against them.

People go to court over something because they feel strongly about an issue.

Remember, Wal-Mart first said they wouldn’t sell the Plan B Death Pill.

lifesite.net/ldn/2007/apr/07041004.html

To have that amount of financial resources at one’s disposal, and not to use it to defend one’s company against lawsuits by disgruntled customers, and simply caving into their demands and saying, ok, we’ll sell it in every store, is, in my opinion, is an absolute wimp out.

(The phrase I am using, IMO, is a means of protecting myself against any potential libel suit for expressing my views; it might hamper my prose, but that is why I include it).
If you want to waste your time boycotting every company that has even a whiff of being against Catholic teaching, feel free. In my opinion, Wal-Mart does a much better job than most. I’m sure the Pro-Homosexual Marriage groups who are boycotting Wal-Mart right now because they won’t provide medical coverage to same-sex partners will appreciate your boycott adding to their efforts.
I am talking about more that “**a whiff **of being against Catholic teaching” here.

A whiff . . .** a whiff **. . ???

I guess my point is, and it doesn’t seem to be clicking with many of the readers of this thread, is that in my opinion, and according to Catholic moral teaching, the teaching of Jesus Christ, is that Wal-Mart is in the business of murdering human life.

This is steps beyond any immoral movie, video game, or anti-Catholic newspaper article; this involves actual life and death.

Life which is created in the likeness and image of God.

That’s what I’m talking about.

Wal-Mart made a business decision of their own free will to sell the Plan B Abortion Pill in all their stores. They went back on their original word not to sell the Plan B Death Pill.

Of course, not having the sales data, I can only speculate as to how many Plan B Abortion Pills that Wal-Mart sells a week. Nationwide, it could be hundreds, thousands of pills; I do not know.

Even if it was just a few pills they sold , that would be too many.
As the soul is created at the very moment of conception, anything willfully done which results in the death of even an unborn child is murder.
Bishop Louis Laravoire Morrow, S.T.D. (Doctor of Systematic Theology), from My Catholic Faith, 1958.
What is my moral obligation to research companies I do business with to find out if they fund/support/sell things that are morally objectionable?
I don’t know if the Church has written anything about this.

Of course, my entire focus here is really on this lethal product.

Life is the greatest good, so, as a human being, I am against anyone that sells Abortion pills on demand which destroy innocent human life.

I would say you should make some sort of effort, say a **reasonable **effort.

That would include perhaps calling, or going online the next time before you visit to see if the store’s pharmacy you shop at sells “Plan B Emergency Contraception,”

Then if they do sell it, try to find another store, if possible, that doesn’t deal in the Abortion Pill.

Try your best, especially since you shop there and are **free to choose **where you shop, unless you have some disability that affects your mobility or are feeble.

I mean, stores that sell immoral movies, magazines, and anti-Catholic newspapers whose anti-Catholic political cartoons mock Catholics, the Pope, and the Church are one thing, and are bad.

But that sort of stuff is distinguishable in a moral sense from stores that **mass market death and murder **and the **destruction of innocent human life **through their pharmacies.

That is just unadulterated evil.
 
That is something I didn’t think of…perhaps you support homosexual marriage and that is why you are calling for the boycott of Wal-Mart.

Pax,
Robert
Tiber Swim Team - Class of 1990
Vade retro Satana; nunquam suade mihi vana
Look, my friend.🙂

Please, no more distasteful “bolt from the blue” personal **ad hominem **attacks on my moral character.😦

I’ll let it go this time; any more ad hominems, I will notify the Administrator.:ouch:

This thread is a **serious discussion **seeking orthodox Catholic answers to a serious moral issue.

It is not a place for name-calling or casting aspersions on the moral character of other participants.🙂
 
Thank you to all who have participated. This thread is now closed.
 
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