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liquidpele
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Because there was never a “first” atheist like some adam and eve story, because atheists are people just like you, and because morality is not created or defined only by religion.
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AndyF
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The desire to share, would be a desire befitting the Almighty. It is charity because he doesn’t need to do it.Yeah the whole problem with this is, why would an infinite being…WANT anything?
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Charlemagne_II
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Because there was never a “first” atheist like some adam and eve story, because atheists are people just like you, and because morality is not created or defined only by religion.
You’re right that morality is not created or defined only by religion. It is built into us by natural law, according to the Catholic Church. However, God helps us to remember the natural law through Moses and Christ. Atheism does nothing to help us remember the natural law. If you want to make the case that it does, that will be a hard sell, since all that atheism says is that there is no absolute source of morality in God. We can therefore circumvent the natural law if we are so disposed by corrupting the powers of reason to suit our own personal whims, as with the notion that it’s a right to kill one’s infant in the womb, or that its o.k. to have members of the same sex mary each other.
You’re right that morality is not created or defined only by religion. It is built into us by natural law, according to the Catholic Church. However, God helps us to remember the natural law through Moses and Christ. Atheism does nothing to help us remember the natural law. If you want to make the case that it does, that will be a hard sell, since all that atheism says is that there is no absolute source of morality in God. We can therefore circumvent the natural law if we are so disposed by corrupting the powers of reason to suit our own personal whims, as with the notion that it’s a right to kill one’s infant in the womb, or that its o.k. to have members of the same sex mary each other.
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liquidpele
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Based on your interpretation of how a God should be, based on what you’ve read and what you’ve been taught, based on a book written by people at a time when it was believed the Earth was flat.
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buffalo
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The first atheist has no morality. He sees no need to keep his competition around. He might be hungry and cannibalize the other.
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buffalo
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Who believed the earth was flat?
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liquidpele
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I actually agree that atheists do not get the “natural law” as expressed by Christianity beaten into us all the time. Good thing we have government, modern law, friends and family, and things of that nature. Besides, I see very few Christians that act like Christ, and even fewer following the laws of the OT (thank goodness).Because there was never a “first” atheist like some adam and eve story, because atheists are people just like you, and because morality is not created or defined only by religion.
You’re right that morality is not created or defined only by religion. It is built into us by natural law, according to the Catholic Church. However, God helps us to remember the natural law through Moses and Christ. Atheism does nothing to help us remember the natural law. If you want to make the case that it does, that will be a hard sell, since all that atheism says is that there is no absolute source of morality in God. We can therefore circumvent the natural law if we are so disposed by corrupting the powers of reason to suit our own personal whims, as with the notion that it’s a right to kill one’s infant in the womb, or that its o.k. to have members of the same sex mary each other.
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buffalo
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All this moral goodness came from where? You were not born in a vacuum.
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HickmanJosh
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Hell is for thouse who chose it, not thouse who deserve it.
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liquidpele
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Well, technically the scholars in Alexandria knew it was round in the BC era, but as for 99.99% of people the Earth was perceived to be round far into the Medieval Europe time period. In this particular case, I’m talking about the Jews and (as far as I’m aware) those writing the books in the bible. The idea in Christian theology circles stared around 300-400 AD (source). Besides, you’re missing the main point. The people at that time believed in a lot of stuff not believed now, and didn’t know very much about the way things worked. To deny that is to deny history and the progression of humanity.
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liquidpele
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Where did the “moral goodness” of the priests in Ireland, mentioned in the news lately, come from I wonder.
There are good and bad people claiming to be Christian, and the same with atheism. I have never seen a correlation of core morality stemming from any belief system or lack thereof… and lets not bring out any no true Scottsman fallacies please.
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liquidpele
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You act like I didn’t understand your ridiculous assertion. I did, and you are so completely misguided that is it comical. Perhaps you believe that people were killing and eating each in all other parts of the world while the Jews were wandering the desert? Chinese civilization was extremely modern compared to anything in the middle east and Europe far before Christianity or even modern Judaism became a reality.
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liquidpele
*and lets not bring out any no true Scottsman fallacies please. *
The originator of the “no true Scotsman fallacy” is one-time atheist, now theist, Antony Flew. He has, so to speak, “flew the atheist coop.”
*and lets not bring out any no true Scottsman fallacies please. *
The originator of the “no true Scotsman fallacy” is one-time atheist, now theist, Antony Flew. He has, so to speak, “flew the atheist coop.”
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liquidpele
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I’m curious what possible relevance you think that has to the discussion.liquidpele
*and lets not bring out any no true Scottsman fallacies please. *
The originator of the “no true Scotsman fallacy” is one-time atheist, now theist, Antony Flew. He has, so to speak, “flew the atheist coop.”
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liquidpele
*Where did the “moral goodness” of the priests in Ireland, mentioned in the news lately, come from I wonder. *
Are you implying that Christ preached in favor of pedophiles? Whew!
*Where did the “moral goodness” of the priests in Ireland, mentioned in the news lately, come from I wonder. *
Are you implying that Christ preached in favor of pedophiles? Whew!
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liquidpele
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No, I was not, which was pretty clear from the rest of my post you just replied to.liquidpele
*Where did the “moral goodness” of the priests in Ireland, mentioned in the news lately, come from I wonder. *
Are you implying that Christ preached in favor of pedophiles? Whew!
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liquidpele
*Based on your interpretation of how a God should be, based on what you’ve read and what you’ve been taught, based on a book written by people at a time when it was believed the Earth was flat. *
It is so refreshing to hear an agnostic admit that science once was as primitive as religion.
*Based on your interpretation of how a God should be, based on what you’ve read and what you’ve been taught, based on a book written by people at a time when it was believed the Earth was flat. *
It is so refreshing to hear an agnostic admit that science once was as primitive as religion.
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buffalo
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The Catholic Church is a hospital for sinners. No one in the church is without sin or concupiscence. Morality or lack of can be infectious.
The fact that humans fail to be perfectly moral does not invalidate the call to do so nor the validity of the message.
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buffalo
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Check out the Fiji islands until Catholic missionaries arrived.
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liquidpele
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Well said, but that does not mean that morality comes from the church, it means the church promotes morality.
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