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I KNEW we’d get to the “L” word…and right after the “R” word!! 😃 inevitable in these discussions… :rolleyes:
By “L” word, you mean “Liberal”?
By “R” word, you mean…“Racist”???:confused:
I guess I’d better find an updated Dictionary of Hate Speech and Invective. Didn’t know that those 2 words were on a par.:ehh:

****rac·ism *** /ˈreɪsɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[rey-siz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

—Related forms
racist, noun, adjective

***lib·er·al *** /ˈlɪbərəl, ˈlɪbrəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.
8. open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.
9. characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor.
10. given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation.
11. not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule.
12. of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts.
13. of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman.
–noun 14. a person of liberal principles or views, esp. in politics or religion.
15. (often initial capital letter) a member of a liberal party in politics, esp. of the Liberal party in Great Britain.

**lib·er·al·ism *** /ˈlɪbərəˌlɪzəm, ˈlɪbrə-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[lib-er-uh-liz-uhm, lib-ruh-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. the quality or state of being liberal, as in behavior or attitude.
2. a political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification of political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of individual rights and civil liberties.
3. (sometimes initial capital letter) the principles and practices of a liberal party in politics.
4. a movement in modern Protestantism that emphasizes freedom from tradition and authority, the adjustment of religious beliefs to scientific conceptions, and the development of spiritual capacities-
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I just like to be clear that we all mean the same thing by the same words. 👍

God Bless,
Jeff
 
If everyone who favored it, actually knew the contents of the bill, I wonder how many would have changed their minds. No way really to know that of course, but I’d guess it would be more than a few. If they knew that gang members would have been granted amnesty; if they knew that convicted child molesters would have been granted amnesty; if they knew that criminals of all kinds would have been granted amnesty; if they knew that …well, I could go on and on; would they still have supported it?
And if so, where is the fairness and dignity to and for all of the victims of the above offenders :confused:
That’s a pretty darn serious charge. Back it up.
 
THANK YOU!

Like I said, I apologized for throwing the words I did, I didn’t blame anyone. I blamed myself and said why I said the word racist.

I support the above post 100%.

I found this on a yahoo search:
So you are in favor of open borders?
 
That’s a pretty darn serious charge. Back it up.
What exactly did I charge? Let me guess and correct me if I’m wrong–“amnesty” for gang members, criminals, etc.? Read the ( now dead and irrelevant) bill in its entirety, consider all the implications, ramifications and un-intended consequences, and draw your own conclusions.

From my understanding, the “backround checks” for the Z-visas for which the gov’t. was given a whopping 24 hours for ??millions of illegals would have let all kinds of people through, including the ones I mentioned. Why, the government can’t even keep up with passport applications for citizens, let alone deal with 10-20 million illegal aliens in such a ridiculously short period of time.

If I am wrong, I will gladly (and sheepishly :o ) recant and repent.

But aren’t we beating the proverbial dead horse here? I think Vern may be right in his “big ticket” post a little earlier on in this thread.

God Bless,
Jeff
 
Whereas the murder of millions of innocent children is, like, boring!:eek:
This is the typical MO…NO where did I mention this! Where did being liberal and being pro-life contradict each other…you are making way too many assumptions, sir. I AM PROUD to stand with liberals on social justice issues.😛
 
This is the typical MO…NO where did I mention this! Where did being liberal and being pro-life contradict each other…you are making way too many assumptions, sir. I AM PROUD to stand with liberals on social justice issues.
You quoted Catholic Alliance, and Estesbob said:
Catholic Alliance is a very Liberal organization who’s last voter guide said not one word about the 5 non-negotiable issues. Instead they concentrate on the evils of war, corporations, the health care industry, etc.
The Five Non-Negotiables that he mentioned include abortion.

Then you said:
"Instead they concentrate on the evils of war, corporations, the health care industry, etc. " These are VERY important issues to me…and I feel good about addressing them.
And proceeded to attack Bob:
I KNEW we’d get to the “L” word…and right after the “R” word!! inevitable in these discussions.
Implying that only "R"s care about things like abortion.
 
You may infer whatever you like. This “discussion” is going nowhere.:rolleyes:
 
This is the typical MO…NO where did I mention this! Where did being liberal and being pro-life contradict each other…you are making way too many assumptions, sir. I AM PROUD to stand with liberals on social justice issues.😛
So you dont vote for those who support killing our children? That is very good but it would seem to limit your ability to vote if you vote liberal.
 
Estesbob asked:
So you dont vote for those who support killing our children? That is very good but it would seem to limit your ability to vote if you vote liberal.
no one/nothing limits my ability to vote :rolleyes:
So your answer to him is “Yes, I do vote for those who support killing children?”
 
What is your problem, Mr. Humphrey? How dare you challenge me with that accusation? My answer stands.
 
How do you vote liberal w/o supporting abortion. Social Justice is great, I support it but one needs to be alive to recieve it.
Point blank DO YOU VOTE FOR PRO ABORT CANDIDATED. Of course you don’t have to answer, we all know what you have compromised anyway.
 
What is your problem, Mr. Humphrey? How dare you challenge me with that accusation? My answer stands.
What is your problem, Mr. Amolibri? How dare you challenge me with that accusation? My answer stands.
 
Respectfully, I ask: Why should I-- or would I --answer to you ???

Are you that obsessive, Messrs. Estes & Humphrey?..Who DO you think you are??? You have no basis on which to challenge me… YOU have the right to vote and so do I.

So I ask you to be Christian about this and stick to the topic of immigration. You have a way to pushing people away, sirs… 😉
 
Respectfully, I ask: Why should I-- or would I --answer to you ???

Are you that obsessive, Messrs. Estes & Humphrey?..Who DO you think you are??? You have no basis on which to challenge me… YOU have the right to vote and so do I.

So I ask you to be Christian about this and stick to the topic of immigration. You have a way to pushing people away, sirs… 😉
You’re right. I should never have posted this remark:
I KNEW we’d get to the “L” word…and right after the “R” word!! inevitable in these discussions…
(It was me that posted that, right?)😛
 
Respectfully, I ask: Why should I-- or would I --answer to you ???

Are you that obsessive, Messrs. Estes & Humphrey?..Who DO you think you are??? You have no basis on which to challenge me… YOU have the right to vote and so do I.

So I ask you to be Christian about this and stick to the topic of immigration. You have a way to pushing people away, sirs… 😉
I think your answer is obvious to us all. Is it the Christian thing to do to vote for those who support the killing of our children?
 
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