good news to all wiccans

[ricmat]

I won’t be drawn into the baiting.

You gave a source. Here’s a source you are free to check out:

Romans 1:16-25

Note what it says about those who worship and serve the creature (and creation) rather than the Creator.

Happy new year.

P.S. is it just me or is Wicca tolerant of everyone/everything but Christians/Christianity?

And another quote to consider:

usccb.org/nab/bible/wisdom/wisdom13.htm

Pagan_soul, please read the above chapter. This was written in (about) 300 BC. It wasn’t invented recently just to respond to Wiccans.

 

[ricko]

Funny, the JWs and the LDS each say that they are the fastest growing religion. I would not count on any of them. Numbers don’t mean anything anyway. If they did, you have a long way to go to surpass the over 1 billion Catholics.

 

[francesco920]

Funny, the JWs and the LDS each say that they are the fastest growing religion. I would not count on any of them. Numbers don’t mean anything anyway. If they did, you have a long way to go to surpass the over 1 billion Catholics.

A long, long way, Thank God!!!

 

[hoosierdaddy]

And another quote to consider:

usccb.org/nab/bible/wisdom/wisdom13.htm

Pagan_soul, please read the above chapter. This was written in (about) 300 BC. It wasn’t invented recently just to respond to Wiccans.

You’re not saying the passage I posted was written (recently)just to respond to Wiccans are you?

 

[AshtonAnne]

good news to all the wiccans here, and jst news to everybody else…i found this out awhile ago, by the year 2024 or so wicca along with the islamic religion will be one of the major religions in canada and the US

your wiccan friend
R_pagan

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AND most covens have no desire to bring in a new person as they prefer to keep small and with people they know. Wiccans are truly offended by non-initiated neo-pagans using their name.

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real Wiccans don’t have the time, the resources or the desire to absorb them in. They don’t want them. They don’t need them.

Ok, so wicca is the “fastest growing ‘religion’” in America, but most don’t have any desire to bring in new members to their covens? I thought that was how you got new members…

Perhaps these numbers are just new-age “magick” (aka wishful thinking)!!!

 

[ricmat]

You’re not saying the passage I posted was written (recently)just to respond to Wiccans are you?

No. But both Romans 1 and Wisdom 13 seem to be talking to Wiccans particularly (from my perspective). Obviously both passages refer to idol worship in general, and the capacity for self delusion when it comes to seeing God.

I wanted to make the timeframe clear so that pagan_soul would understand that the whole Wicca thing isn’t new. The arguments against paganism have been around for a long time.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

No. But both Romans 1 and Wisdom 13 seem to be talking to Wiccans particularly (from my perspective). Obviously both passages refer to idol worship in general, and the capacity for self delusion when it comes to seeing God.

I wanted to make the timeframe clear so that pagan_soul would understand that the whole Wicca thing isn’t new. The arguments against paganism have been around for a long time.

I understand. Thank you for clarifying this.

 

[pagan_soul]

You are so tolerant that the slaughter of 40 million + innocent unborn children…you are so tolerant that the death of Western civilization means nothign to you.

I do not support abortion. I support birth control AND not having sex unless you are capable and willing to support a child. Nice assumption though . And the population drops in countries that attain first world status. Its anatural not unnatural byproduct of a successful economy.

Bizzare connection though. Pagan = support for abortion And tolerance = the support for the death of western civilization.

And it is rather a curious notion that pagans have so much more power then your God to reduce Western Civilization to extinction. I don’t think you meant it that way. But honestly, population decline may be due to considerations other then tolerance of evil as you put it. Personally we have more then enough people on the planet.

**Truth is not based on the majority opinion. In Nazi Germany, most people blamed the Jews for their problems. Were they right?
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No but democracy is the majority opinion. Truth is open to interpertation…which I’m sure you’ll disagree with. And that’s fine. I wouldn’t have it any other way. I WANT a world filled with many faiths and idealogies.

…Nazi Germany…

I laughed when I read this line…I was wondering when Hitler would be brought up.

These people have bought into the lies and are roundly ignorant of the Church. They buy into secularism and modernism and indulge in sinful behavior because they think that truth is relative. They have embarked on the wide and easy road to perdition and we pray that they come back to the Truth.

I also wish they’d go back to the church. They aren’t pagan so much as they are anything but Catholic…which is juvenille.

Thanks to people like you, Western civilization is becoming so decadent and sick that it will not survive if you continue to fight against morality and God.

Again, because I am a pagan does not naturally mean that I am immoral and against God. Your God is you god. Excellent. Worship away with glee. Christians did not invent morality. Morality is a natural thing that happens when a group of humans figures out how to live together in harmony.
Again, I have rather high morals compared to those around me and I have a deep connection to god.

Romans 1:16-25
Note what it says about those who worship and serve the creature (and creation) rather than the Creator.

Using your own scripture to prove your own opinion is rather ridiculous. Jesus is not my savior and I do not wish to your heaven and I do not revere the words of your bible as much as you do. Its not an attack on your faith, its just not meaningful to put those up as a response. Neither is dragging up historical events that skewers followers of one faith over another. Nor is talking about TRUTH like yours is the only one. Thats like saying “I’m right because I’m right”. Good point. But feel free, as it seems to be the way it goes on all sides on this site.

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P.S. is it just me or is Wicca tolerant of everyone/everything but Christians/Christianity?**

Well I’m not wiccan and I’m not tolerant of everything. I am tolerant of more things or different things then probably most Catholics. I’m not attacking I merely wish to state my opinion and clarify what is and isn’t pagan/wiccan. I don’t want anyone to ‘convert’ to paganism. I have my limits to what I will tolerate and one thing I value is the right for everyone to practice their chosen faith. I will defend myself vigorously against anyone who tells me otherwise.

Enjoy practicing your chosen faith and peace to you and your family in the new year.

 

[pagan_soul]

Ok, so wicca is the “fastest growing ‘religion’” in America, but most don’t have any desire to bring in new members to their covens? I thought that was how you got new members…

Uh…I don’t know whether it is or isn’t the fastest growing anything…but considering that anyone could claim to be wiccan without actually “converting” then the numbers can be whatever they end up being. Hell, I’ve heard of christian wiccans, angel wiccans, green wiccans, brown wiccans…don’t wanna go to church anymore? Read a few books and start a wiccan coven!

I also pointed out in a round about way, that what is being called Wicca is actually not what tradional, oath bound, initiated, coven based with proven lineage would agree as being anything close to it. So if you actually got the numbers of true wiccans…it would probably be very low…which is exactly what you ended up figuring out!

So perhaps the number that is growing is more clearly showing people who have lost faith in organized religion. I don’t know, I really don’t care about numbers and I’m not wiccan.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Romans 1:16-25
Note what it says about those who worship and serve the creature (and creation) rather than the Creator.

Using your own scripture to prove your own opinion is rather ridiculous. Jesus is not my savior and I do not wish to your heaven and I do not revere the words of your bible as much as you do. Its not an attack on your faith, its just not meaningful to put those up as a response. Neither is dragging up historical events that skewers followers of one faith over another. Nor is talking about TRUTH like yours is the only one. Thats like saying “I’m right because I’m right”. Good point. But feel free, as it seems to be the way it goes on all sides on this site.

It’s only ridiculous in your opinion. Truth is truth whether you believe it or not. And I offered you truth; not my own opinion. My opinion means squat; truth is everything.

I know you don’t revere the words of Scripture. I don’t post it to only those who revere it. I post it to post it; you are free to do with it whatever you wish.

So every truth is “true” except mine then? That’s what pagans say. They are tolerant of everything except Christianity.

 

[Oneiron]

As I said to my sister yesterday, just because you dont believe in something dont make it non-existant.

And just because you belive in something doesn’t mean it’s real.

 

[kellie]

And just because you belive in something doesn’t mean it’s real.

Jesus IS real

 

[apricot_yogurt]

I think so many catholics should hang their heads in shame. At school we were fed such a watered- down, modern and liberal version of catholicism, is it any wonder that young people look for the truth elsewhere?
It is said that when there is an absensce of Faith people don’t believe in nothing-they believe in anything.
It is not because Catholicism is “too strict” that young people leave, it is because the bar has been set too low- there are no challenges- why for example would a young man want to waste his life and become a priest for such a wishy- washy version of the faith?

 

[francesco920]

I think so many catholics should hang their heads in shame. At school we were fed such a watered- down, modern and liberal version of catholicism, is it any wonder that young people look for the truth elsewhere?
It is said that when there is an absensce of Faith people don’t believe in nothing-they believe in anything.
It is not because Catholicism is “too strict” that young people leave, it is because the bar has been set too low- there are no challenges- why for example would a young man want to waste his life and become a priest for such a wishy- washy version of the faith?

Amen! That is how I felt about my faith until I began to watch EWTN. I was amazed to discover that Catholicism was more than being nice to others and going to get a wafer every Sunday. I did go to CCD classes but we never learned about what the Eucharist was or anything. In fact, of the few things we learned, some of those things were incorrect: “Love your brothers and sisters because Jesus had brothers and sisters too!”

 

[joeganshert]

I think so many catholics should hang their heads in shame. At school we were fed such a watered- down, modern and liberal version of catholicism, is it any wonder that young people look for the truth elsewhere?
It is said that when there is an absensce of Faith people don’t believe in nothing-they believe in anything.
It is not because Catholicism is “too strict” that young people leave, it is because the bar has been set too low- there are no challenges- why for example would a young man want to waste his life and become a priest for such a wishy- washy version of the faith?

Wow, you nailed it on the head. I would completely agree with you on the wishy-washy version of Catholicism is why young people want to leave the faith. There isn’t the so called “strict” Catholicism presented to us current members of CCD classes. I don’t think that in the nine years I’ve had of CCD, the devil has been discussed. How are we supposed to defend ourselves against something we don’t know? Thanks to the internet and literature, I am at least a little prepared, but I didn’t much about the devil’s ways until I read An Exorcist Tells His Story by Gabriele Amorth. I think that Islam is much safer to practice than Wicca. In Islam you are worshiping God, just with the wrong prophet’s guidelines. Whereas, in Wicca, you are dancing with the devil and denying that he exists! I’ll make sure to pray for all you Wiccans out there, so that you may realize your… misdirection.

 

[ComradeAndrei]

Whereas, in Wicca, you are dancing with the devil and denying that he exists!

Listening to people who deal with this sort of thing, you don’t know how right you are. The easiest way for the devil to get a hold of a soul is for that person to drift completely off path into outright apostasy. It starts off as seemingly innocent earth worship and whatnot but God be praised if that is all the deeper a person goes into it before escaping.

Satan isn’t a fool. The pagan always says that their religion is so tolerant, so peaceful, so loving, so this and that. Of course so, who would join if you could see evil for what it is?

 

[reborn_pagan]

okay…i’m not gonna ask for physical proof cause thats been tired out already from one certain member not going to mention his name, but how do you prove that wicca is not good but pure unedited evil…theres been so many slurs such as witches have naked orgies, this was because some one do rituals in the nude aka:skyclad…and how can we honestly dance with something we dont even bealive in? what if i told you that you were in the midst lets say the goddess sif what would you shun it because you dont bealive in it? now another question what makes up my religion or your religion? its one word

 

[LilyM]

okay…i’m not gonna ask for physical proof cause thats been tired out already from one certain member not going to mention his name, but how do you prove that wicca is not good but pure unedited evil…theres been so many slurs such as witches have naked orgies, this was because some one do rituals in the nude aka:skyclad…and how can we honestly dance with something we dont even bealive in? what if i told you that you were in the midst lets say the goddess sif what would you shun it because you dont bealive in it? now another question what makes up my religion or your religion? its one word

Either your spelling or typing is amiss here - difficult to understand parts of your post.

I’m not talking about dancing with the devil. I do believe that it’s dangerous to assume things don’t exist - I can choose to believe that a truck headed straight for me doesn’t exist but I will get run over by it just the same. At least if I recognise it I have a chance of getting out of its way.

 

[reborn_pagan]

Either your spelling or typing is amiss here - difficult to understand parts of your post.

I’m not talking about dancing with the devil. I do believe that it’s dangerous to assume things don’t exist - I can choose to believe that a truck headed straight for me doesn’t exist but I will get run over by it just the same. At least if I recognise it I have a chance of getting out of its way.

so would it be dangerous to assume that there is more than one god? soo why would it be wrong to bealive in many gods or even a goddess…but you dont bealive in it all you do is bealive in the devil and god, and im sorry if alot of my posts dont make sense i’ve been trhough alot of oscar winning drama latley so my brains all scatterd. but it would be bad not to bealive in the devil…yet bealive in more than one god is also bad? im confused here from what i’ve been taught that the devil is GOD of the underworld so that would be 2 gods that you bealive in but stay with the god of the light? im sorry i dont mean to be rude or get you to question your faith theres jst alot of questions that i have but hardly ever get an answer

and to all who read this im still looking for that one answer

 

[Karianne]

Also, the sex-ed teachers at my school often push contraception and abortion and mock Christians and others who disapprove of these practices.

Your denial that leftists/secularists are going after children shows that you don’t understand the Culture Wars.

The professors who are allegedly doing this are wrong to do it, however, the Pope was a Nazi, he was only 16. The ultra-conservative charge has no basis, however.

Why are you going to these schools if everyone dislikes you and disapproves of your choices?
Wouldn’t you happier elsewhere?