good news to all wiccans

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reborn_pagan said:
…i’ve met alot of people who claim to be catholic, but when i ask them whats the diffrence between catholic and another type of christian faith, get a rainbow of answers? sound similar to your take on wicca hm? and i have never played D&D in my life…all i know is that its some kind of role playing board game.
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Where does your quote “and ye harm none do what you will” come from?
I believe you, you never did DD I don’t know what it is either.

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reborn_pagan said:
…i’ve met alot of people who claim to be catholic, but when i ask them whats the diffrence between catholic and another type of christian faith, get a rainbow of answers? sound similar to your take on wicca hm? and i have never played D&D in my life…all i know is that its some kind of role playing board game.
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Catholics have a more fullness of the revelation of the bible and believe in the apostolic tradition handed ddown through Peter the first Pope. I won’t go into scripture ref. unless you want them.🙂
Various non-catholic, christian communions also teach a great deal that is true about God.
Both believe in the soul and heaven and hell! if that helps:D

Do you sometimes feel so:mad: angry or confused:confused:

Sorry not trying to make you fell either. dessert
 
What a site, all about satanist and devil worship and Ron Hubbard and scientology, the occult gave me the creeps and exactly what some in hollywood are into today. yukkk

😦 don’t go on it unless you have s strong stomach. dessert
 
Ahimsa said:
And Crowley got it ultimately from a famous Catholic, who said:

“Dilige et vis quod fac” (St. Augustine from the 7th Sermon on the First Letter of St. John), which means “Love, and do what you will”.
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In other words no guilt no remorse as on the icky crowley satan site. I decided to put in this verse as I’m not so sure what you are getting at. I’m sure there is more to what St. Augustine meant and I don’t know much about him.

1 John 4; 1-6

Testing the spirits
Beloved, do not trust every spirit but test the spirits to see whether they belong to God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can know the spirit of God; every spirit that aknowledges Jesus Christ come in the flesh belongs to God and every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus does not belong to God.
This is the spirit of the antichrist that , as you heard, is to come, but in fact already is in the world. You belong to God children, and you have conquered them, for the one that is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They belong to the world;their teachings belong to the world, and the world listens to them. We belong to God and anyone who knows God listens to us, while anyone who does not belong to God refuses to hear us. This is how we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of deceit.
NAB CE

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KarenNC said:
** Now why and how is it that these modern day pagans forget these stories? **

Speaking for myself and those Neopagans with whom I interact regularly both online and IRL(one caveat–I am not and have never been Wiccan), we see them as story and legend no different than the stories and legends of any other religion.

**Besides how do they get around the “no more animal sacrifice” thing? **

I will say that I have never met nor heard of any Wiccan performing an animal sacrifice. There may be Neopagans, either individually or as part of their religion, who still do practice animal sacrifice on occasion. I don’t know. There are other religions (Santeria is one that comes to mind) that does, though it is not considered Neopagan. There are numerous different Neopagan religions, as different from each other (and sometimes more so) as Hinduism, Buddhism and Christianity.

Personally, that sort of offering belonged to another place and time and does not have the same relevance and meaning in our society. We do not do blood offerings of any sort.

To sacrifice literally means to “make holy” – to give of your best to the Gods as you would to honored guests. The Greeks, for instance, also offered offerings in the form of libations, food, jewelry, money, praise, incense, etc. which the stories tell us were well-recieved. Animal offerings in that context were more along the lines of a shared sacred meal at which the Gods were the guests of honor, but the people also participated. It was also one of the rare occasions upon which many people would have meat, as these were most usually situations of corporate offerings. Another issue is that different Gods may find different types of offerings pleasing.

It is also impractical in most modern settings. Ever try to keep a hecatomb of oxen in a suburban backyard 😃 ?
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Stories? Entire nations converted due to these events. I have serious doubts that an entire nation converted to Christianity by hearing false stories. Also if the gods Odin, Thor, Sil, etc. really existed then Christianity would have been stopped in its tracks. If they were real, Charlemange would not have won the last battle against the Lombards. We would all be speaking German, Old Swedish and other Northern European tongues. The Roman Empire would not have lasted over 1000 years (including the continuation of the Eastern Roman Empire). The pagans of the day would have overran the Christian parts of Europe. So tell me this if the pagan gods are real then how is it that Christianity triumphed over paganism so many times long ago? Or did these events never occur? God speed.
 
Peterdiago said:
It is originally from Alistair Crowley, the Satanist, Mason etc. 🙂
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No, no, no. Aleister Crowley didn’t particularly care one whit whether or not he harmed others – to the point of waging magickal ‘wars’ on people he didn’t like. His rule was Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. Some argue that Crowley influenced the Wiccan Rede and that the ‘an it harm none’ part is implicit in Thelemic law, but well, that’s debatable.
Also, netmil(name removed by moderator), please don’t conflate goths and Wiccans. Wiccans follow a specific if loose religion. Goths are punks in black with better senses of fashion – at least, real goths are 😛

Unless you’re talking about the gothic literary tradition, which has very little to do with running around pretending to be a vampire and very much to do with existential angst, decadence, crumbling old buildings, and odd happenings, beginning in 1765 with The Castle of Otranto 👍
 
Vigis said:
Stories? Entire nations converted due to these events. I have serious doubts that an entire nation converted to Christianity by hearing false stories. Also if the gods Odin, Thor, Sil, etc. really existed then Christianity would have been stopped in its tracks. If they were real, Charlemange would not have won the last battle against the Lombards. We would all be speaking German, Old Swedish and other Northern European tongues. The Roman Empire would not have lasted over 1000 years (including the continuation of the Eastern Roman Empire). The pagans of the day would have overran the Christian parts of Europe. So tell me this if the pagan gods are real then how is it that Christianity triumphed over paganism so many times long ago? Or did these events never occur? God speed.
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First, I would point out that we might ask the same question concerning Allah and Byzantium. Or Judea. Or Antioch.

Also, we all speak (or at least type in) a northern tongue - English, which is a germanic language. Note that our days are named for Norse Gods in several cases - Tuesday for Tiw, Wednsday for Woden, Thursday for Thor, Friday for Frigg. Many of our month names are Pagan as well, though from the Latin.

Pagans don’t believe in omnipotence. There is no being that rules all the world, that controls the fall of the sparrow, that determines the destinies of nations. Human free will is, itself, an expression of the divine, and we make our own Fates, along with the influence of the Gods. So, when we look at the flow of the rulerships of nations and the religions they follow, we would look at the usual socio-political factors.

There’s no doubt that early Christianity had great vitality, and an attraction to a certain sort of seeker in the late classical world. By the time of the Nicean Council, about 50% of the population of the core cities of the empire would have been Christian - a remarkable growth for a movement that really became visible in about 100ce. The Roman soil had been tilled by the presence of Judean monotheist synagogues in Rome, over the previous century before Jesus.

The big turning point was when the empire, in its growing centralization, decided that there would be an ‘official’ religion of the empire, and took the gold and social position from the old hellenic temples.

There’s no doubt, as well, that hellenism was tired and rather used up. Oriental cults (of which judaism was one) had been popular in the empire for centuries, and the old hellenic gods were seen a either peotic tropes, or merely quaint. How do these things happen? Hard to say, but Pagans don’t assume that the forms of the divine are eternal - all form changes - ceasing and recurring according to need.

After Constantine there was a 1,000 year effort to completely destroy the old religions. The north converted gradually, with many remnants of old ways that never really left. The Lithuanian empire didn’t even start to convert until the 14th century, and the Old Gods began to return as soon as the renaissance loosened the grip of the church. While the political victory in the roman world was pretty complete, the Old Religions have never been far from european awareness, and are now returning in formal shapes.

It was really the protestants who came closest to destroying the Old Ways. The Church had co-existed with a lot of local survivals, and the church’s near-polytheistic calendar of saints with their images, symbols and customs was both a resplacement and a disguise for the Old Gods. When the prots came in, with their image-breaking and puritanical moralities, even the euro countryside was cleansed of its folklore, where possible. The Maypoles were cut down, and even the fiddles of the people broken. nasty business…

Monotheism is just one God away from atheism. The efforts of the prots to enforce a strict, imageless, abstract monotheism is one of the real sources of the so-called enlightenment’s dawning materialism. Pagans like a world filled with spirit, and with spirits, where the divine is always nearby, because some God is always nearby.

So, how did it happen? It happened because Christianity was in the right place at the right time, and won the political battle in Rome. It happened because Christians were willing to undertake campaigns of violence to enforce their religion - a thing that had seldom occurred to Pagans. It happened because Christians refused to do business with non-Christians, leading to merchant baptisms, etc.

When, in 100 years or so, there are Pagan temples in many American towns, we’ll have a different set of questions to ask…
Ian
 
I have to say that was well said IanCorrigan. All I have left to say for now is that it all comes down to a matter of faith. It all comes down to what you put your faith in. Christianity or pagan religions. I choose Christianity for it is much more spiritual in my eyes. Well go with God. God speed.
 
First of all, we cannot see this as a threat to the Church, for nothing can overturn the Church of Christ. But this is a threat to many souls.

We are heavily influenced by the world around us. It has always been known that where the culture was devoutly Catholic, there you would the vast majority to be devout and pious Catholics. Likewise, where the society is corrupt, immoral and individualistic, you shall find such people and attitudes. Here in the western world we live under the latter. Though there are still many who are true to the Faith, it is western culture itself that poses the greatest threat to our souls. In fact the only thing, if anything, that might save many in our society is ignorance.

This fad of paganism is already infecting the hearts and minds of people like a cancer. Our culture which teaches us of the singular importance of the individual and that we must be forever guided by temporal desires has already laid down a foundation for paganism. We have been familar with it through our culture and media, while at the same time we are being turnned away from the true Faith.

This is not just some sociological quirk. This is the work of Satan. Turning souls from God and His Church toward worldly pleasures and now outright worship of demons. New-Ageism, paganism, and the like but forms of satanism. And it would be better to be a muslim, or in an obscure and ignorant tribe worshipping rock and tree then to be in North America and Europe worshiping the Evil One.

Crux sancta sit mihi lux
Non draco sit mihi dux
Vade retro satana
Nunquam suade mihi vana
Sunt mala quae libas
Ipse venena bibas
 
Ahimsa said:
And Crowley got it ultimately from a famous Catholic, who said:

“Dilige et vis quod fac” (St. Augustine from the 7th Sermon on the First Letter of St. John), which means “Love, and do what you will”.
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I dont see how that translates to “love and believe whatever you want”.

I highly doubt St. Augustine would have encouraged relativism if that is what you are implying.
 
Please answer this question: What is wicca? Is this a real religion? Is the the people who wear black all the time?
 
Image_of_God said:
Please answer this question: What is wicca? Is this a real religion? Is the the people who wear black all the time?
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Its a Satanic religion that believes in magic powers and has many gods- although all are but disguises of Satan.
 
Caesar said:
I dont see how that translates to “love and believe whatever you want”.

I highly doubt St. Augustine would have encouraged relativism if that is what you are implying.
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I think that what St. Augustine is saying is that since God is Love, when you love, you will always do the will of God. It does not mean, just do whatever you want. It means that you should do everything you want with love. It is impossible to do something while loving. In summary, Augustine is saying that love must guide the will.
 
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