good points of islam

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elwill said:
well , as for it seems to me that you think that muslims hate christians in thier country , and seems to me that you will never accept otherwise , i have to ask you another question

i am muslim who is kind of pious and very proud with my religion and strive hard to obey my God according to islam , but in the same time i never killed any christians before nor did i persecuate any of them , actually i have manychristians friends in my country

my question is
will you love me or love my islam for such behaviour ? or will you still insult me as muslim because i don’t believe that jesus is God ( regardless of behaviour i have ) ?

then don’t just claim that muslims have no answers , i already offer for you the discussion but you consider it loss of time
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Wow, maybe I missed the majority of Muslims who claim as you do trying to stop the persecution of Christians in Muslim majority lands. Show me some proof that the majority of Muslims are protesting such behavior in your countries - or even in mine.

I will love you, hate Islam. Muhammed insults himself - all one has to do is read your texts. All I do is show you your own texts. Sharia laws insult yourselves too. Slavery still being in existence insults yourselves. Doing nothing about pediphilia, honor killings, etc also insults yourselves. I think you get my drift.

Answer a question for me: Do you give to Muslim charities according to what you are told to do?
 
swplan76 said:
Islam is a religion that is caught up in the material things of life. The vision of the afterlife…
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The early Muslims criticized the Christian concept of the afterlife because it was not materialistic 🙂

Narrated Musab:
I asked my father, “Was the Verse:-- ‘Say: (O Muhammad) Shall We tell you the greatest losers in respect of their deeds?’(18.103) revealed regarding Al-Haruriyya?” He said, "No, but regarding the Jews and the Christians, for the Jews disbelieved Muhammad and the Christians disbelieved in Paradise and say that there are neither meals nor drinks therein… [Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 252; emphasis mine]

What’s ironic is that the Christians do believe in Paradise (the early Christians were using the word “Paradise” long before Mohammad, and the Orthodox Church still uses it) but, as I said, they do not believe it is very materialistic in nature, nor includes ways of the flesh. It is simply us serving the Lord - living like the angels, as Christ said (Matt 22:30).
 
Byzantine_Wolf said:
The early Muslims criticized the Christian concept of the afterlife because it was not materialistic 🙂

Narrated Musab:
I asked my father, “Was the Verse:-- ‘Say: (O Muhammad) Shall We tell you the greatest losers in respect of their deeds?’(18.103) revealed regarding Al-Haruriyya?” He said, "No, but regarding the Jews and the Christians, for the Jews disbelieved Muhammad and the Christians disbelieved in Paradise and say that there are neither meals nor drinks therein… [Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 252; emphasis mine]

What’s ironic is that the Christians do believe in Paradise (the early Christians were using the word “Paradise” long before Mohammad, and the Orthodox Church still uses it) but, as I said, they do not believe it is very materialistic in nature, nor includes ways of the flesh. It is simply us serving the Lord - living like the angels, as Christ said (Matt 22:30).
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**B W, you are mistaken. The bounties of the paradise are mentioned in Quran and Hadith in our language only for our understanding. But they are such that no one has ever thought of them or even imagined them. That is according to the Quran and Hadith.

There will be no milk or honey or beautiful ladies as described in some verses. They are only symbolic words for our imaginations. But the bounties of the paradise are such that no soul has ever seen them or tasted them or even imagined them

I can bring you the exact verse of the Quran telling that and a Hadith supporting that, if required. The bounties of the paradise are nothing materialistic. They are spiritual bounties.

Can you show from your bible, the actual words that the bounties of the paradise are spiritul only?. Try it and show me please. Then we may discuss this matter further. Until then you have nothing in bible.
It may only be in your minds.**.
 
planten said:
There will be no milk or honey or beautiful ladies as described in some verses. They are only symbolic words for our imaginations. But the bounties of the paradise are such that no soul has ever seen them or tasted them or even imagined them
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Are you seriously suggesting that Mohammad used descriptions of wine and voluptuous women simply to entice people to come to Islam, or look forward to Paradise? Because that doesn’t seem to be supported at all in the hadith or Koran. Please quote what you can to prove this, I am curious about your source and sincerely interested in reading it.
Can you show from your bible, the actual words that the bounties of the paradise are spiritul only?. Try it and show me please. Then we may discuss this matter further. Until then you have nothing in bible.
It may only be in your minds.
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Are you serious? I mean, you are not simply trying to play with me, are you? I’m asking this because I cited such a passage in my post. In fact, the exact post you quoted has the scriptural reference in there.

Also, Christians do not believe in “bounties” in Paradise. The greatest reward a Christian looks forward to is to be in the presence of their Lord. Every Christian hopes only what the repentant thief hoped:

Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.” And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.” [Luke 42-43]

This state of belief the thief came to when he realized the goodness Christ had, and how He would forgive those who repented, for he heard Christ say to those mocking and crucifying Him, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do” (Luke 23:34). Christ didn’t have to promise wine or women with large breasts to get the thief to repent 🙂
 
sedonaman said:
The thing wrong with these verses is that you “cherry-picked” them. Mohammed treated believers one way and un-believers another. There ought to be "Mohammed’s Third Law of Islam: For every verse, there is an equal but opposite verse.”

So, you are wasting your time quoting the “nice” verses. We know there are other, not-nice verses for “kafirs”. For example,

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2:191-And once again, you have replied with twisting a verse (or give me the website you got it from) until you christians learn to reading the Quran yourself instead of picking out a few verses twisted by anti-muslim websites-you will never be guided.

And turn them out wherever they have turned you out. FOR TUMULT AND OPPRESSION IS WORSE THAN SLAUGHTER.
It does not say that tumult and oppression to muslims is a worse thing to slaughtering disbelievers-no. It is a statement and it says: FOR TUMULT AND OPPRESSION IS WORSE THAN SLAUGHTER.
(Funnily enough, this is supposed to weaken my faith but as I spend more time on this website my faith is strengthening especially since no body is able to quote a verse properly without twisting it… so alhamdullilah. (god be praised). So thanks 👍

wasalam
 
ZAKI said:
2:191-And once again, you have replied with twisting a verse (or give me the website you got it from) until you christians learn to reading the Quran yourself instead of picking out a few verses twisted by anti-muslim websites-you will never be guided.

And turn them out wherever they have turned you out. FOR TUMULT AND OPPRESSION IS WORSE THAN SLAUGHTER.
It does not say that tumult and oppression to muslims is a worse thing to slaughtering disbelievers-no. It is a statement and it says: FOR TUMULT AND OPPRESSION IS WORSE THAN SLAUGHTER.
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Well, I guess that’s one good thing about Islam: it’s whatever you want it to be. You could say that Mohammed beat Humpty Dumpty by 1,300 years.
 
planten said:
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Can you show from your bible, …**.
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No. We are not playing that game of “Muslim changes the subject”. This tread is about Islam. If you want to discuss Christianity, start a new thread. Besides, you never answer our questions, so why should we answer yours?
 
ZAKI said:
Verses like the ones below make me feel good. Because unlike you, when I was a christian-I didn’t used to search through the internet to find anti-islamist websites which twisted the Quran to make it seem terrible and all about violence and then pretended that I knew everything about the Quran-I sat down and read the Quran fully myself.

“Do not act wickedly on earth by spreading corruption” (2:60)

“If anyone killed a human being it shall be as though he had killed all mankind;whereas if anyone saved a life it shall be as though he had saved the lives of all mankind” (5:32)

“Do not take any human being’s life- the life which God had declared saved” (6:151)

“Every community faces a direction of its own, of which He is the focal point. Vie, therefore, with one another is doing good works.” (2:62)

“Show forgiveness, speak for justice and avoid the ignorant.” (7:199)

Thy Lord hath decreed that ye worship none save Him, and show kindness to your parents. If one or both of them attain old age with thee, say not ‘Fie’ unto them or repulse them, but speak unto them a gracious word." (17:23-24)

What is wrong with these verses? What are you going to do now? Give me some out of context verses from the Quran? Give me an opinion from someone who hates islam?

wasalam
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So there are some peaceful and good verses in the Quran. Muhammad had to preach some good things in order to make people believe that he was a prophet of God. Then after he was accepted he could get away with anything as he did for instance, when he received so-called “revelations” that were self gratifying.

Vickie
 
elwill said:
yes

then are you gonna to answer my questions , or you are out of it fear of losing your time 😃
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I already answered them, and if I didn’t do it completely then let me know.

But to respond to your reply of ‘yes’ when you tell me that you give to your Muslim charities tells me a lot. It tells me that you are considered a ‘good Muslim’ and for all the rest of us infidels that means that is not good.

Good Muslims support Jihad (not that inner struggle type either) and sacrifice their lives for Allahs Cause. Allah prefers those who actively take up the sword but Muhammed realized that not all will do that so he said that those who give of their wealth are, well, ok too, because ‘the best Muslims fight’.

Bad muslims are good people, Allah (or Muhammed) calls them hypocrites because they are unwilling to fight. Good muslims planned, funded, staffed, executed and celebrate terrorist attacks - and also protest when the violent ones are attacked after they have attacked their victims time and again. they tell us time and again their motives and that they are good muslims which is another twisting of the words since they help to fund their Jihadists via… Muslim charities.
  • Quran’s definition of a good Muslim: a Jihadist leaves his home, sacrificing his wealth and life, fighting in Allah’s cause. Allah says they will be rewarded with stolen booty if they survive or a heavenly bordello if they die.
  • Quran’s definition of a bad Muslim: are peaceful. Allah calls them hypocrites because they are unwilling to fight. It even says that peaceful Muslims are the ‘most vile of creatures’ and that hell’s hottest fires await them.
Muslim Charities

We should not forget that Muslim charities were shut down around the world soon after 9/11. They were continually being caught funding the Jihadists.

Here is a definition of what you give:
The zakat is to be given to eight categories: the poor, those short of money, administrative costs, those whose hearts are to be reconciled, slaves to buy their freedom, those in debt, jihadists, and travelers who need assistance. …(a non-believer) is forbidden to receive money from the zakat.
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Basically the zakat was a tax on the booty the Muslims stole from the infidels.

The article also explains Muhammed telling Muslims to give money, if need be, to kafir ambassadors which would explain the money given to tsunami victims (which were mostly Muslim anyway and the money was given only after the world looked on the ME with criticism so they finally coughed up a minimum).
FP: Any other ways that Islam allows for help to be given to a kafir?
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Warner: Yes, voluntary charity. A person who calls himself or herself a Muslim might offer help to a kafir out of true generosity. But let’s closely examine the psychology of this event. The only way for a Muslim to give freely to a kafir is to not see him as a kafir, but as a fellow human being, an equal deserving compassion and empathy. But a kafir is not ever equal to a Muslim. Seeing humanity as one is contrary to the Islamic doctrine of kafir and believer found in the Koran. Humanity-as-one is a kafir concept, not an Islamic concept.
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If a Muslim sees a non-Muslim as an equal and a friend, that is a manifestation of the Golden Rule. Islam denies the Golden Rule, only kafir cultures support the Golden Rule. So if a so-called Muslim truly gives true charity to a kafir then he is a kafir-Muslim, part kafir and part Muslim. (Another hyphenated culture.) Good for a kafir cannot come from Islam. So real good must come from somewhere else—kafir civilization and the Golden Rule.
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Good points…there is very little under the sun which cannot have good points. Islamic teaching is no different.
The most important good point I can think of is that Islam teaches that there is a creator god who is to be worshipped and revered and loved by the followers. God forgives much from those who attempt to love Him. And He loves in return as we are taught to do.
The rest of Islam is mostly Mohammed’s fevered imaginations about how to destroy all who are not Muslim or at least make second class to those who are “people of the Book”.
 
Agabriel said:
I already answered them, and if I didn’t do it completely then let me know.
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you said
But, back to abrogation - was it that Allah would forget what he said previously? Not a very smart God if you ask me.

i want to understand your view about this issue with some details , for i don’t know how you concluded from your knowledge about islam that allah forgot something he said , open my eyes with your knowledge if you think that it’s me who be brainwashed
But to respond to your reply of ‘yes’ when you tell me that you give to your Muslim charities tells me a lot. It tells me that you are considered a ‘good Muslim’ and for all the rest of us infidels that means that is not good.
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how is that , again i can’t understnad your rational
is giving a charities for muslims evil behaviour ?:confused:
Good Muslims support Jihad (not that inner struggle type either) and sacrifice their lives for Allahs Cause. Allah prefers those who actively take up the sword but Muhammed realized that not all will do that so he said that those who give of their wealth are, well, ok too, because ‘the best Muslims fight’.
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yes off course muslims are support the jihad , but the confusion part is that we support the islamic defination for jihad , not the antiislam defination for jihad
Bad muslims are good people, Allah (or Muhammed) calls them hypocrites because they are unwilling to fight. Good muslims planned, funded, staffed, executed and celebrate terrorist attacks - and also protest when the violent ones are attacked after they have attacked their victims time and again. they tell us time and again their motives and that they are good muslims which is another twisting of the words since they help to fund their Jihadists via… Muslim charities.
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if your country be attacked from other people , what will you call those citizens who refuse to fight
whateve , just wanna to assure to you that the good muslims in your country will be the first people who will fight to free thier country and protect you , because allah command muslims to fight whoever fight with them
otherwise , may be devout christians supposed to give the enemy the other cheek , right ?
Here is a definition of what you give:
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Basically the zakat was a tax on the booty the Muslims stole from the infidels.
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actually not , the zakat is a tax on the value of your wealth
The article also explains Muhammed telling Muslims to give money, if need be, to kafir ambassadors which would explain the money given to tsunami victims (which were mostly Muslim anyway and the money was given only after the world looked on the ME with criticism so they finally coughed up a minimum).
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as long as we are talking about islam religion , what about article written by muslim scholar instead of the one you quoting from it ? i think it will be more fair , right ?
 
Booklover said:
So there are some peaceful and good verses in the Quran. Muhammad had to preach some good things in order to make people believe that he was a prophet of God. Then after he was accepted he could get away with anything as he did for instance, when he received so-called “revelations” that were self gratifying.

Vickie
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Actually there is only ONE surah of the Quran which is dedicated to Muhammed (pbuh). And it was revealed AFTER the death of Muhammed (pbuh).

wasalam
 
True that. It’s very sad how muslims and christians argue over each other books and have actually NEVER read the other book. Every now and then you meet a muslim who has read the bible properly (moi) or a christian who has read the Quran properly-you will notice that these people actually have a great respect for the other book but decided that the one that they follow is better for them.

wasalam
 
ZAKI said:
Every now and then you meet a muslim who has read the bible properly (moi)
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Don’t compliment yourself! Show humility, or I’m spanking you with a noodle! :mad: And it’s a very stringy noodle.
 
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