Good resource about research on homosexuality

[CopticChristian]

Twin studies are flawed, as you can see how studies such as this appear

journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract;jsessionid=568A2D85C73C79D2C34D99545F2244AB.journals?fromPage=online&aid=307693



mygenes.co.nz/lung&shu.htm

Oh, it gets worse. Not only is the science, or attempt at science I should say, bad then you will often see Homosexual sympathizers stating things like this…

From personal experience, although of course this would be statistically untested, I know and have known and have been called upon to be an informal counsellor by a number of homosexual people. Precisely TWO people, over 15 years, representing an order of magnitude less than ‘48%’ have ever acknowledged needing anything so much as a prozac in their entire lives. None whatsoever have ever gone anywhere near illegal drugs, let alone needed treatment.

When asked about in what capacity this took place…there is silence.
When asked how is it as a non-professional this person counselled for 15 years…there is silence

Looking into the mind of those that base their beliefs on personal experience, knowing their thinking, viewing their thoughts leaves you aghast…

This borders on fantasy and reaching to the extremes…and when you read and see “based on my experience”…step back, wonder, and look at what it is you are being asked to believe…

 

[DexUK]

When asked about in what capacity this took place…there is silence.
When asked how is it as a non-professional this person counselled for 15 years…there is silence

Oh, I see you’ve been trawling my past posting history again for something to post out of context in order to smear me.

Now isn’t that nice?

As for your “points”… Of course there’s silence about the people I’ve talked to. It’s called respecting confidences! You, as a participant on a Catholic website should understand respecting confidences… I treat people’s personal details as confidential as a priest treats the confessional, and, not least, there are times when I have been sworn to secrecy about people’s personally identifiable details… but no, you persist in badgering me for these personal details which, I would remind you, would be breaking the rules of this forum for me to reveal.

So kindly take your enquiries and smears somewhere else.

 

[CopticChristian]

Oh, I see you’ve been trawling my past posting history again for something to post out of context in order to smear me.

Now isn’t that nice?

As for your “points”… Of course there’s silence about the people I’ve talked to. It’s called respecting confidences! You, as a participant on a Catholic website should understand respecting confidences… I treat people’s personal details as confidential as a priest treats the confessional, and, not least, there are times when I have been sworn to secrecy about people’s personally identifiable details… but no, you persist in badgering me for these personal details which, I would remind you, would be breaking the rules of this forum for me to reveal.

So kindly take your enquiries and smears somewhere else.

I see in your mind distress, believing that people are against you as you say “smear me”…there is no mention of any names and here you appear…

Your thinking about points is not clear and is muddled to my understanding and I don’t see anyone here or myself looking for points. Priests would say, that in my experience of 20 years…in this capacity…Physicians would say…that in my experience of patient contact, etc…professionals don’t reveal information, it is usually…“I once had this patient…no names”…and for any person that has data to reveal in what capacity would not be breaking any rules…but I never directed attention to you…

In my experience as a Physician, recalling a very sad case of a transexual, that underwent surgery, this person was one of the most miserable, depressed, dysfunctional people I have ever met…this is sadly true…they were constantly in and out of the hospital for surgical complications. It was truly sad…

this breaks no rules…

Now here you imply reference to yourself when no reference to you was given…

Your observations are your observations…silence is golden…

 

[antag]

I’ve looked at that mygenes site.

It’s just not true. It says things that I’m supposed to have experienced or supposed to think because I’m gay that I just don’t think or feel.

If they’re wrong about me, then they can’t be as right as they claim to be.

 

[CopticChristian]

I’ve looked at that mygenes site.

It’s just not true. It says things that I’m supposed to have experienced or supposed to think because I’m gay that I just don’t think or feel.

If they’re wrong about me, then they can’t be as right as they claim to be.

Tag,

You have looked at a site and find what not true?

This posting is anonymous and I am not asking for specifics, tell me what is it that is not true. What is it you have not experienced of supposed to think.

What is that the site is wrong about?

 

[Aviatrix]

But isn’t their high suicide rate the evidence that “gay” activists commonly use to try to convince people that “gays” get treated worse such as with bullying? Either “gays” have a high suicide rate or they don’t. Which is it?

Correlation does not equal causation. And no one thinks that only homosexual people have problems. Statistics that show that gay people get treated worse with bullying are the reason that people say that gay people get treated worse with bullying.

 

[CopticChristian]

Correlation does not equal causation. And no one thinks that only homosexual people have problems. Statistics that show that gay people get treated worse with bullying are the reason that people say that gay people get treated worse with bullying.

This fact does not change, it just is

narth.com/2012/12/dr-julie-ha…nt-hear-on-tv/

Setting the Record Straight: What You Did Not Hear on a Recent Television Show Featuring NARTH

Sadly, we see much higher levels of depression and suicide among homosexuals than among the non-homosexual population. Some will claim that these higher rates of suicide and depression are the result of homophobia (or therapy, as claimed on the show). HOWEVER, we know that the suicide rates are not simply due to homophobia because we see the same rates of depression and suicide in gay-affirming cultures such as New Zealand, Denmark, The Netherlands, and Norway.

 

[Monkey1976]

Do you have any idea what it feels like to desperately want to be normal and yet no matter how hard you try or pray to be normal it never comes true?

As a matter of fact, yes. Since late childhood, I’ve suffered with bi-polar disorder that went undiagnosed until I was nearly 30. I thank God that I was finally diagnosed properly and given treatment and training to deal with the impulses arising from my "up"s and "down"s instead of being told that they were not only normal, but something to be celebrated and indulged at every opportunity.

Same-sex attraction is a disorder that I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy. Psychologists and psychiatrists need to toss out the politicized dross that is the post-1973 DSM and research how to properly treat it.

 

[livingwordunity]

Statistics that show that gay people get treated worse with bullying are the reason that people say that gay people get treated worse with bullying.

What you are saying makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Tell me how kids calling another kid “monkey face” and getting bullied for being a different race isn’t as bad as being bullied for being “gay”.

 

[Aviatrix]

Let me explain using an analogy;

Men are stronger than women.
I am a woman, I am stronger than some men.

These two statements are not in disagreement because when people make this sort of assertion they are referring to statistical averages.

Homosexual people are bullied more than heterosexual people.
You are a heterosexual person and you were bullied more than some homosexual people.

No one is saying that all homosexual people are treated worse than you were. I fully believe that you were treated worse than some homosexual people were treated.

If it helps, read it as “On average, homosexual people are bullied more than heterosexual people”.

 

[DexUK]

There’s a big and crucial difference between bullying someone about their ethnic grouping compared to those bullied about their sexual orientation.

A child from an ethnic minority can go home from school into the loving embrace of a family and community of the same ethnic culture that is, by definition, supportive and able to empathise.

A gay kid goes home to a heterosexual family. No matter how affirming they are, he is still different and still feels a sense of ‘other’ about himself. His parents can’t ‘step into his shoes’ because they aren’t gay. The taunts and bullying that he experience simply accumulate. While not all gay people experienced this bullying and intolerance at school (because some didn’t ‘come out’ at school) it’s still not a surprise that kids commit suicide for this reason.

It is patently obvious that a gay child, who is not part of a gay ‘community’, does not have the mutual support of those who share that measure of his identity that he is being tormented for. For that reason alone, it renders homophobic abuse a more lonely experience than racial abuse.

 

[CopticChristian]

There’s a big and crucial difference between bullying someone about their ethnic grouping compared to those bullied about their sexual orientation.

A child from an ethnic minority can go home from school into the loving embrace of a family and community of the same ethnic culture that is, by definition, supportive and able to empathise.

A gay kid goes home to a heterosexual family. No matter how affirming they are, he is still different and still feels a sense of ‘other’ about himself. His parents can’t ‘step into his shoes’ because they aren’t gay. The taunts and bullying that he experience simply accumulate. While not all gay people experienced this bullying and intolerance at school (because some didn’t ‘come out’ at school) it’s still not a surprise that kids commit suicide for this reason.

It is patently obvious that a gay child, who is not part of a gay ‘community’, does not have the mutual support of those who share that measure of his identity that he is being tormented for. For that reason alone, it renders homophobic abuse a more lonely experience than racial abuse.

Conjecture as to what any child feels about anything does not equate to anything but conjecture. There is no way to know what any child knows and feels about anything absent speaking to that child. There is no way to know anything about the family of any child absent evaluation of that family. Suicide in Homosexuals has been shown not to be related to issues such as this and is fantasy.

 

[DexUK]

Conjecture as to what any child feels about anything does not equate to anything but conjecture. There is no way to know what any child knows and feels about anything absent speaking to that child. There is no way to know anything about the family of any child absent evaluation of that family. Suicide in Homosexuals has been shown not to be related to issues such as this and is fantasy.

Conjecture?

It’s obvious!

Black kid gets racially abused, goes home to black parents who know what it is like and can affirm from a position of equality.

Gay kid gets homophobically abused, goes home to straight parents who may or may not attempt to affirm but can never do so from an equal standpoint.

That’s not conjecture. That’s simple maths!

 

[Patavium]

Conjecture as to what any child feels about anything does not equate to anything but conjecture. There is no way to know what any child knows and feels about anything absent speaking to that child. There is no way to know anything about the family of any child absent evaluation of that family. Suicide in Homosexuals has been shown not to be related to issues such as this and is fantasy.

Unfortunately, the media has spread so many rumors about homosexuality, despite no evidence on genetics, and other sources.

 

[CopticChristian]

Conjecture?

It’s obvious!

Black kid gets racially abused, goes home to black parents who know what it is like and can affirm from a position of equality.

Gay kid gets homophobically abused, goes home to straight parents who may or may not attempt to affirm but can never do so from an equal standpoint.

That’s not conjecture. That’s simple maths!

You don’t know every black kid that has ever been abused. You do not know every child that suffers from SSA and what family they go home to after whatever abuse you believe occurred. You have no ability to know what abuse, the intensity of the abuse, if it was real or percieved and you have no ability to state anything about any child knowing that this can occur in many age ranges that would be a different experience depending on the age. Obvious is apprarantly not obvious.

 

[DexUK]

You don’t know every black kid that has ever been abused. You do not know every child that suffers from SSA and what family they go home to after whatever abuse you believe occurred. You have no ability to know what abuse, the intensity of the abuse, if it was real or percieved and you have no ability to state anything about any child knowing that this can occur in many age ranges that would be a different experience depending on the age. Obvious is apprarantly not obvious.

I don’t need to know every black kid that has been abused, nor do I need to know every gay kid. You clearly don’t either, but you seem to be absolutely convinced that homophobic abuse is (at best) no worse than racial abuse in any qualitative way, but you ignore the differences in the support and the ability of those offering support to reflect something of the abused back to them.

I repeat…

A black racial bullying victim goes home to black parents.

A gay sexual-orientation-related bullying victim goes home to straight parents.

No matter what the level of abuse, you cannot possibly deny those two facts.

There is, therefore, a significant difference in how the victim in otherwise equal cases of bullying would perceive themselves and the support that was available to them.

And that doesn’t even begin to approach the situation of the gay kid who goes home after a day of bullying and who can’t approach his parents for support because they don’t know he’s gay! And believe me, there are plenty of those kids who have, indeed, committed suicide. I wonder what you’d say to their families?

 

[CopticChristian]

I don’t need to know every black kid that has been abused, nor do I need to know every gay kid. You clearly don’t either, but you seem to be absolutely convinced that homophobic abuse is (at best) no worse than racial abuse in any qualitative way, but you ignore the differences in the support and the ability of those offering support to reflect something of the abused back to them.

I repeat…

A black racial bullying victim goes home to black parents.

A gay sexual-orientation-related bullying victim goes home to straight parents.

No matter what the level of abuse, you cannot possibly deny those two facts.

There is, therefore, a significant difference in how the victim in otherwise equal cases of bullying would perceive themselves and the support that was available to them.

And that doesn’t even begin to approach the situation of the gay kid who goes home after a day of bullying and who can’t approach his parents for support because they don’t know he’s gay! And believe me, there are plenty of those kids who have, indeed, committed suicide. I wonder what you’d say to their families?

Conjecture.

A child with SSA comes home and says he was bullied…face value…oh you were bullied for SSA? What happened…

Johnny said that my orange shoes reminded him of being a clown and the kids made fun of me…

Mary said my short hair reminded her of her dog and the kids made fun of me

and on and on…

There is no way for you to know what the child percieved, no way to know what happened to that child…Children can be cruel to each other regardless of race, beliefs, etc…and there is no way to know what the parents are like…

Child comes home with or without SSA to a family…

Parents are clinical Psychologists and nurture their child’s hurt

or

Parents are deeply religous, love their child and understand that their child has need for nurturing

or

Parents are divorced

or

Parents are separated

or

Parents are criminals

or

Parents are dwarfs and have taught their undwarf child to be stoic

People are not simple math. It is possible that there are those that in their minds have simplified it so…and this sometimes is not obvious but becomes obvious in time.

 

[DexUK]

Conjecture.

A child with SSA comes home and says he was bullied…face value…oh you were bullied for SSA? What happened…

Johnny said that my orange shoes reminded him of being a clown and the kids made fun of me…

Mary said my short hair reminded her of her dog and the kids made fun of me

and on and on…

There is no way for you to know what the child percieved, no way to know what happened to that child…Children can be cruel to each other regardless of race, beliefs, etc…and there is no way to know what the parents are like…

Child comes home with or without SSA to a family…

Parents are clinical Psychologists and nurture their child’s hurt

or

Parents are deeply religous, love their child and understand that their child has need for nurturing

or

Parents are divorced

or

Parents are separated

or

Parents are criminals

or

Parents are dwarfs and have taught their undwarf child to be stoic

People are not simple math. It is possible that there are those that in their minds have simplified it so…and this sometimes is not obvious but becomes obvious in time.

The comparison was between racial abuse and orientation-based abuse, and the proposition was that orientation-based abuse was (at best) no worse than racial abuse - and I would say the underlying suggestion was that it wasn’t even as bad.

I am pointing out that that is not supportable because of the victim being the same as his parents in one case (i.e. skin colour), and different in the other (sexual orientation) which naturally and obviously would result in a different understanding and empathy on behalf of the parents. If you can’t see that, then that’s your problem, not mine, and I would suggest that it’s something you need to work on and not me.

 

[CopticChristian]

The comparison was between racial abuse and orientation-based abuse, and the proposition was that orientation-based abuse was (at best) no worse than racial abuse - and I would say the underlying suggestion was that it wasn’t even as bad.

I am pointing out that that is not supportable because of the victim being the same as his parents in one case (i.e. skin colour), and different in the other (sexual orientation) which naturally and obviously would result in a different understanding and empathy on behalf of the parents. If you can’t see that, then that’s your problem, not mine, and I would suggest that it’s something you need to work on and not me.

Conjecture. I have 5 children and 5 grandchildren. I have black hair and brown eyes. 3 of my children have very fair skin as their mother is English/Irish…I have 2 others that are swarthy. Your simple math does not take into account variables that does not equate to simple math. People are unique, children are unique, families are unique…you can’t bottle them up in this or that…and when someone generalizes as if…it is conjecture…tragically this conjecture gets seminated as fact and it is not…

It would be best to sit and do some research in Sociology and rethink this entire posture…you don’t know all children, all families, all situations and to state anything as if it is simple math is as prejudicial to reality as bullying is to any child.

 

[DexUK]

Conjecture. I have 5 children and 5 grandchildren. I have black hair and brown eyes. 3 of my children have very fair skin as their mother is English/Irish…I have 2 others that are swarthy. Your simple math does not take into account variables that does not equate to simple math. People are unique, children are unique, families are unique…you can’t bottle them up in this or that…and when someone generalizes as if…it is conjecture…tragically this conjecture gets seminated as fact and it is not…

It would be best to sit and do some research in Sociology and rethink this entire posture…you don’t know all children, all families, all situations and to state anything as if it is simple math is as prejudicial to reality as bullying is to any child.

Let me make it incredibly simple for you. Even a 7 year old could answer this.

Don’t write paragraphs… Just answer yes or no. No conjecture is required.

Christopher is bullied at school because he is homosexual. He goes home to his heterosexual parents for support. Do they have the same sexual orientation as him? Yes or no?

Brent is bullied at school because he is black. He goes home to his black African-American parents for support. Do they have the same ethnic origin as him? Yes or no?