Good Sermon On Hell

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This is what I do not understand?

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A loving relationship, feelings of peace… is wonderful… but I get the feeling from your sentiments you’dve ate the fish… or the apple. And that wouldn’t… be good.

And I don’t have to talk about what happened after that do I?

You do see the place for the warning in that context I hope, eh?
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Eating the apple or not is in the bible. The fish is used to feed the multitude. How can they be comparable? That both can send you to Hell (or I say could which has changed and was a relatively short living sender to Hell sin) God is more stable. He has a plan as set forth in the Bible. The church is to support not create.:confused::confused::confused:
 
Well, hell is no laughing matter, really. Whatever it is like, lets hope we don’t find out.
No, I wasn’t laughing at hell. I was laughing at Fr. DeLallo’s dead-pan expression as he said such a ridiculous thing. And where on earth did he acquire such detailed information about the after-life? That sort of gothic talk just scares impressionable kids, nothing else.
He is charged with the duty of laying the foundation of young people’s faith. Now fear of hell is not a solid foundation. It festers, it eventually rots away, and the person’s faith collapses.
Incidentally, did he *ever *give a similarly long and detailed description of the joys of Heaven? But what else could we expect from SSPX ?
 
No, I wasn’t laughing at hell. I was laughing at Fr. DeLallo’s dead-pan expression as he said such a ridiculous thing. And where on earth did he acquire such detailed information about the after-life? That sort of gothic talk just scares impressionable kids, nothing else.
He is charged with the duty of laying the foundation of young people’s faith. Now fear of hell is not a solid foundation. It festers, it eventually rots away, and the person’s faith collapses.
Incidentally, did he *ever *give a similarly long and detailed description of the joys of Heaven? But what else could we expect from SSPX ?
Our Lord often spoke of hell in order to warn us. I don’t know this priest and I don’t know any of his other sermons, so I can’t tell you about that.
 
Our Lord often spoke of hell in order to warn us. I don’t know this priest and I don’t know any of his other sermons, so I can’t tell you about that.
True, He did, but not in such a gratuitous way for sure!
I am also worried by this excerpt from a document on the Vatican’s website vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/apost_letters/documents/hf_ben-xvi_apl_20090702_ecclesiae-unitatem_en.html regarding SSPX, to which Fr. DeLallo belongs: sttbchurch.org/clergy.htm .

The document states: “However, the doctrinal questions obviously remain and until they are clarified the Society has no canonical status in the Church and its ministers cannot legitimately exercise any ministry.” (I checked it out on Wikipedia, and it’s true! 😉 )

I haven’t studied the document at all, I must admit, and I may be quoting out of context, but I personally would be cautious.
 
True, He did, but not in such a gratuitous way for sure!
I am also worried by this excerpt from a document on the Vatican’s website vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/apost_letters/documents/hf_ben-xvi_apl_20090702_ecclesiae-unitatem_en.html regarding SSPX, to which Fr. DeLallo belongs: sttbchurch.org/clergy.htm .

The document states: “However, the doctrinal questions obviously remain and until they are clarified the Society has no canonical status in the Church and its ministers cannot legitimately exercise any ministry.” (I checked it out on Wikipedia, and it’s true! 😉 )

I haven’t studied the document at all, I must admit, and I may be quoting out of context, but I personally would be cautious.
Well, I say at least he’s talking about hell. There are many priests who are afraid to even mention hell in their homilies. Which is but one of many reasons why the SSPX is necessary.
 
I only listened to the first sermon, which was linked, and it didn’t seem very graphic. As far as sermons about eyeballs falling out and such, it may be over the top, but at least he’s talking about Hell, which is a reality of our faith and is probably much worse than this priest could ever begin to describe in a sermon.
The average sermon at my parish is about how we’re all good people who’ll probably go to heaven, and the reason we come to church is to “share our story” and to “be church.”
Which priest is doing the faithful a greater disservice, the SSPX priest who scares them into going to confession, or the one who tells them not to worry because they’re a good person already? While there are obviously limits to how far a priest should go in trying to describe Hell, I’d rather hear the testimony of saints than a feelgood sermon.
 
Saint Alphonse Liguiori said: “The thought of Hell alone should be enough to deliver us from it.”

The problem is , when no one ever mentions Hell, people tend to think it doesn’t exist. What directly follows is that they say, “There’s no such thing as the devil.” Father John Corapi explained that it hurts when people say this because we are actually saying there is no such thing as sin… which begs the question then why did Christ die ?, What did He come to redeem us from?

Granted , we will come across certain ministers who have more eloquent talents - might we say a “more blessed imagination” than others when it comes to speaking to us about these things.

SSPX aside for a minute, I’ve always found a couple of concepts about Hell to be very sobering .
  1. Jesus spoke of it as the “Weeping and gnashing of teeth” and the “unquenchable fire”.
  2. Now everybody smile for a second 🙂 (and make sure you smile after too!) . Something that is reliable, yet not mandatory in any way is the Church approved visions of Fatima. Here we can safely say that the three children’s vision of Hell happened long before Raiders of the Lost Ark ever hit the screen. It’s a little unsettling, but it’s reliable. Our Lady’s purpose was to have us pray for souls so they don’t end up there. It is possible then for souls to become so hardened that they would refuse God’s own Mercy when He offers it to them- fully aware of the consequences of cursing Him. That part should scare us all a little bit.
From Sister Lucy’s memoirs at bibleprobe.com/fatimavisionsofhell.htm :

**Sister Lucy of Fatima Describes the Vision of Hell **

The first part of the Secret was a horrifying vision of hell “where the souls of poor sinners go” and contained an urgent plea from Our Lady for acts of prayer and sacrifice to save souls.
In her Memoirs, Sister Lucy (Lucy Dos Santos) describes the vision of hell that Our Lady showed the children at Fátima:
“She opened Her hands once more, as She had done the two previous months. The rays [of light] appeared to penetrate the earth, and we saw, as it were, a vast sea of fire. Plunged in this fire, we saw the demons and the souls [of the damned]. The latter were like transparent burning embers, all blackened or burnished bronze, having human forms. They were floating about in that conflagration, now raised into the air by the flames which issued from within themselves, together with great clouds of smoke. Now they fell back on every side like sparks in huge fires, without weight or equilibrium, amid shrieks and groans of pain and despair, which horrified us and made us tremble with fright (it must have been this sight which caused me to cry out, as people say they heard me). The demons were distinguished [from the souls of the damned] by their terrifying and repellent likeness to frightful and unknown animals, black and transparent like burning coals. That vision only lasted for a moment, thanks to our good Heavenly Mother, Who at the first apparition had promised to take us to Heaven. Without that, I think that we would have died of terror and fear.”

[Hail Mary said for all those who will die today who may be in danger of being eternally lost]

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Saint Alphonse Liguiori said: “The thought of Hell alone should be enough to deliver us from it.”
That’s kind of comforting, in a strange sort of way.
The problem is , when no one ever mentions Hell, people tend to think it doesn’t exist. What directly follows is that they say, “There’s no such thing as the devil.” Father John Corapi explained that it hurts when people say this because we are actually saying there is no such thing as sin… which begs the question then why did Christ die ?, What did He come to redeem us from?
I agree. That opinion is definately straying from orthodoxy.
Granted , we will come across certain ministers who have more eloquent talents - might we say a “more blessed imagination” than others when it comes to speaking to us about these things.
I’m afraid that’s where my concerns arise. Are these details just one man’s imagination, being presented as fact?
SSPX aside for a minute, I’ve always found a couple of concepts about Hell to be very sobering .
  1. Jesus spoke of it as the “Weeping and gnashing of teeth” and the “unquenchable fire”.
Jesus also spoke of “plucking out your eye if it causes you to sin”, or “hating your mother and father”. But we know what he really meant, we can decipher his hyperbole. Pity if some preacher takes these words too literally!
  1. Now everybody smile for a second 🙂 (and make sure you smile after too!) . Something that is reliable, yet not mandatory in any way is the Church approved visions of Fatima. Here we can safely say that the three children’s vision of Hell happened long before Raiders of the Lost Ark ever hit the screen. It’s a little unsettling, but it’s reliable. Our Lady’s purpose was to have us pray for souls so they don’t end up there. It is possible then for souls to become so hardened that they would refuse God’s own Mercy when He offers it to them- fully aware of the consequences of cursing Him. That part should scare us all a little bit.
**Sister Lucy of Fatima Describes the Vision of Hell **
ouch

I’m sure you are aware of the anti-smoking campaigns that have been running for years now. They have been getting steadily more and more graphic, until they realized that people, especially young ones, are becoming desensitized to them, and even smoke in rebellion. Fear is not a substitute for wisdom. Incidentally, years ago, our lovely parish priest, who was a smoker, was challenged by one of the women of the parish after mass: Why do you smoke, Father? Quick as a flash, he said “If you smoke in this life, you won’t smoke in the next.”
…well, I thought it was rather clever.
 
The priest said what he said in a laid back way.
It doesnt hurt to have a healthy understanding of the consequences if we turn our backs on God. He doesnt consign anyone to hell; we do it ourselves.
Stick with it, and well be OK. The angels and the saints are cheering us on as well, so were in good company.
There`s no reason for any abject fear.
 
… Incidentally, years ago, our lovely parish priest, who was a smoker, was challenged by one of the women of the parish after mass: Why do you smoke, Father? Quick as a flash, he said “If you smoke in this life, you won’t smoke in the next.”
…well, I thought it was rather clever.
You remembered to smile after. :)👍
I’m afraid that’s where my concerns arise. Are these details just one man’s imagination, being presented as fact? …
I would share those concerns. Regarding this particular subject (no matter who happens to be preaching) when it comes down to the details , I believe we should never hesitate to ask that question…

…(gives a slightly different interpretation of the maxim, “the devil is in the details”, - doesn’t it ? 🙂 )

Jesus also spoke of “plucking out your eye if it causes you to sin”, or “hating your mother and father”. But we know what he really meant, we can decipher his hyperbole. Pity if some preacher takes these words too literally!
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True. It should be noted though, the words “unquenchable fire” and “men will weep and gnash their teeth” are quoted as a reference in the Catechism of the Catholic Church’s affirmation of the existence of Hell (1033-1037) .
vatican.va/archive/catechism/p123a12.htm#IV

Being used to confirm dogma confers on those words a type of status which renders them difficult to equate with the “plucked out eye” and the “severed hand”; it narrows the field of interpretability. (Incidentally, if we had been meant to interpret literally the “plucked out eye” and “severed hand”, I personally would currently be missing these).

Again on that sobering note, article 1036 of the Catechism states:

1036 The affirmations of Sacred Scripture and the teachings of the Church on the subject of hell are a call to the responsibility incumbent upon man to make use of his freedom in view of his eternal destiny. They are at the same time an urgent call to conversion: “Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.”
… Fear is not a substitute for wisdom.,
I agree completely. Our Blessed Lord, when speaking to the ruler of the synagogue who’s daughter had just died [Mark 5:36] juxtaposes fear with trust; the antithetical parallel implied being the incompatibility between doubt and faith
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Mark 5:36

"Fear is useless; what is needed is trust."

In my limited opinion, that’s what happens when fear is disproportionate . So yes, fear is not a substitute for wisdom, but authentic wisdom will never allow the truth to become a casualty.

I agree with SunnaB16 that we still need a healthy understanding of the consequences - a “working knowledge” of Hell, if you will.

I believe it was St Thomas Aquinas who said, mercy does not deny justice, mercy presupposes justice. In other words, before God can pour out His Mercy and Forgiveness on us, we have to know what we’d justly deserved beforehand - what God’s own sweet Mercy will be so willing to forgive -to actually forget. That , requires a working knowledge of sin and its consequences… but it can never leave out He Whom is always ready to free us from sin and its consequences.

It would help from time to time to be reminded just how precious we each are in God’s eyes … to the point (a quote from Billy Graham) that, "If you had been the only person on earth who needed to be saved, He still would have died for you. God loves you that much! ."

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