Good vs. Evil

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There is no such a thing as a Good God that is up against an Evil Devil.

We exist on this side of reality, a reality that is always confined to the present time only.

The " God " and the " Devil " exist on the other side of reality, which is outside of our reality, and thus is NOT confined to the present time, but extends across all time other than the present time. A huge reality indeed !

What mankind defines as evil, and as good, are both that which is comprehended here on our side of reality. What is on the other side, is on the other side, and thus can not be present on our side, otherwise the two sides are no longer two separate sides. What exists on the other side is that which is beyond what we define as absolute Good, and also that which is beyond what we define as absolute Evil.

Yet despite these two unique sides, the beyond Evil side can extend into this reality of ours to a degree. How can this be if the two sides are separate, you may ask !

Well if the world was full of believers, rather than be full of people who are all directly connected to the truths of this side of reality, then the beyond Evil side is given the OK to do some really nasty acts. These acts simply have to be so low down and nasty that no one would believe that even the most evil being would ever do such things. The beyond good side would not be able to help since the believers could only not fall victim to such acts if they new of the truth of such matters. But, one is only dependent upon a belief if one is at a distance from the truth itself, thus the believers do not have direct access to the truth as protection.

So put yourself in Satan’s shoes. Would you want mankind to see the truth, or would you prefer that they stick to beliefs instead, and thus maintain that distance between mankind and the actual truth. Obviously you can not mess with mankind if they can not be deceived due to mankind being aware of the truth of Satan’s possible acts.

Thus if mankind, or at least a small percentage of mankind, became very smart and tapped into these truths, they could begin to spread such truth across the globe and thus put Satan completely out of business. Now to be in touch with truths, one has therefore become very much in touch with the true reality. So put yourself back in Satan’s shoes. What would you do to prevent this? It’s quite simple. Set these people up to appear to be NOT in touch with reality. This way no one else will follow their road to truth, since everyone else now thinks that it is a road to insanity.

Now that this small percentage is separated from the rest of society, Satan and his followers can torment such victim’s to any magnitude of torture that they want to since the rest of humanity files no objections at all toward this. Before you know it, these victims will be jumping off bridges, jumping in front of trains, etc. while desperately trying to escape the unimaginable torment that Satan and the boys are putting each of them through. This suicidal response will then strengthen the rest of humanities interpretation of the victims suicidal actions as being entirely based upon the victims being “disturbed” people, even though this conclusion is obviously based upon beliefs.

Man’s ignorance would therefore give the beyond evil side the upper hand.

Thus to do well, Satan simply needs the presence of people who insist that " Less than truth " is more truthful than truth itself. In other words, he needs people who place beliefs first in line when making decisions or judgments, even though obviously truth is to be placed first in line. Beliefs are to come second since one is only dependent upon a belief if one is located at a distance from the truth, and thus one is located within the zone of " Less than Truth ". However, those who place beliefs first in line when making decisions or judgments, feel that certainty is achieved via the support of " Less than Truth ". Once this certainty is achieved, they feel that there is no need to venture any closer to the truth, since to them the belief was the truth.

To them, there is absolutely no difference between Truth and " Less than Truth ", thus either one is suffice to reach certainty. Thus this battle between beyond good and beyond evil is a nasty battle indeed, and will continue as long as mankind leaves the door open for Satan by keeping themselves at a distance from having direct contact with the truth.

And then there are Satan’s victims. How bad is their suffering. That easy to answer. It is so bad that it is beyond belief.
 
There is no such a thing as a Good God that is up against an Evil Devil.
Who claimed he was?
We exist on this side of reality, a reality that is always confined to the present time only.
no evidence to support an afterlife.
The " God " and the " Devil " exist on the other side of reality, which is outside of our reality, and thus is NOT confined to the present time, but extends across all time other than the present time. A huge reality indeed !
You assume a God& Devil.
What mankind defines as evil, and as good, are both that which is comprehended here on our side of reality
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Who does this perfectly?
Who is perfect?
and thus can not be present on our side, otherwise the two sides are no longer two separate sides.
“sides” to take?
What exists on the other side is that which is beyond what **we define **as absolute Good, and also that which is beyond what we define as absolute Evil.
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Yet despite these two unique sides, the beyond Evil side can extend into this reality of ours to a degree. How can this be if the two sides are separate, you may ask !
Can’t wait to find out.
Well if the world was full of believers, rather than be full of people who are all directly connected to the truths of this side of reality, then the beyond Evil side is given the OK to do some really nasty acts. These acts simply have to be so low down and nasty that no one would believe that even the most evil being would ever do such things. The beyond good side would not be able to help since the believers could only not fall victim to such acts if they new of the truth of such matters. But, one is only dependent upon a belief if one is at a distance from the truth itself, thus the believers do not have direct access to the truth as protection.
So, what is the protection?
So put yourself in Satan’s shoes. Would you want mankind to see the truth, or would you prefer that they stick to beliefs instead, and thus maintain that distance between mankind and the actual truth. Obviously you can not mess with mankind if they can not be deceived due to mankind being aware of the truth of Satan’s possible acts.
Satan is a figment of overactive imaginations. He can not do anything unless you believe in him.
Thus if mankind, or at least a small percentage of mankind, became very smart and tapped into these truths, they could begin to spread such truth across the globe and thus put Satan completely out of business.
You give Satan a ton of credit. I have no reason to believe he even exists. Do you?
Now to be in touch with truths, one has therefore become very much in touch with the true reality. So put yourself back in Satan’s shoes. What would you do to prevent this? It’s quite simple. Set these people up to appear to be NOT in touch with reality. This way no one else will follow their road to truth, since everyone else now thinks that it is a road to insanity.
Who is everyone else?
Now that this small percentage is separated from the rest of society,
It sounds like a good idea that people who think this way are seperated from the rest of society.
Satan and his followers can torment such victim’s to any magnitude of torture that they want to since the rest of humanity files no objections at all toward this.
Care to tell me why your God permits/ allows suffering with or w/o objections of humanity?:
Before you know it, these victims will be jumping off bridges, jumping in front of trains, etc. while desperately trying to escape the unimaginable torment that Satan and the boys are putting each of them through. This suicidal response will then strengthen the rest of humanities interpretation of the victims suicidal actions as being entirely based upon the victims being “disturbed” people, even though this conclusion is obviously based upon beliefs.
Are you talking about heaven’s gate?
Man’s ignorance would therefore give the beyond evil side the upper hand.
Assuming there is a Satan that “causes” anything.
Thus to do well, Satan simply needs the presence of people who insist that " Less than truth " is more truthful than truth itself. In other words, he needs people who place beliefs first in line when making decisions or judgments
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So you are arguing that beliefs are second in line then?:confused:
even though obviously truth is to be placed first in line. Beliefs are to come second since one is only dependent upon a belief if one is located at a distance from the truth, and thus one is located within the zone of " Less than Truth ".
Having belief requires you to have confidence you have it all right?
However, those who place beliefs first in line when making decisions or judgments, feel that certainty is achieved via the support of " Less than Truth ". Once this certainty is achieved, they feel that there is no need to venture any closer to the truth, since to them the belief was the truth.
I call it the “I am right because everyone else is wrong” Argument.😦
To them, there is absolutely no difference between Truth and " Less than Truth ", thus either one is suffice to reach certainty.
You are telling me this comment is truth.
Thus this battle between beyond good and beyond evil is a nasty battle indeed, and will continue as long as mankind leaves the door open for Satan by keeping themselves at a distance from having direct contact with the truth.
:rolleyes:
And then there are Satan’s victims. How bad is their suffering. That easy to answer. It is so bad that it is beyond belief.
You sure think a lot about Satan and his “powers”

Why?
 
I only speak of that which I have encountered, not thoughts or ideas captured via the practice of beliefs or assumptions.
 
There is no such a thing as a Good God that is up against an Evil Devil.

We exist on this side of reality, a reality that is always confined to the present time only.

The " God " and the " Devil " exist on the other side of reality, which is outside of our reality, and thus is NOT confined to the present time, but extends across all time other than the present time. A huge reality indeed !

What mankind defines as evil, and as good, are both that which is comprehended here on our side of reality. What is on the other side, is on the other side, and thus can not be present on our side, otherwise the two sides are no longer two separate sides. What exists on the other side is that which is beyond what we define as absolute Good, and also that which is beyond what we define as absolute Evil.

Yet despite these two unique sides, the beyond Evil side can extend into this reality of ours to a degree. How can this be if the two sides are separate, you may ask !

Well if the world was full of believers, rather than be full of people who are all directly connected to the truths of this side of reality, then the beyond Evil side is given the OK to do some really nasty acts. These acts simply have to be so low down and nasty that no one would believe that even the most evil being would ever do such things. The beyond good side would not be able to help since the believers could only not fall victim to such acts if they new of the truth of such matters. But, one is only dependent upon a belief if one is at a distance from the truth itself, thus the believers do not have direct access to the truth as protection.

So put yourself in Satan’s shoes. Would you want mankind to see the truth, or would you prefer that they stick to beliefs instead, and thus maintain that distance between mankind and the actual truth. Obviously you can not mess with mankind if they can not be deceived due to mankind being aware of the truth of Satan’s possible acts.

Thus if mankind, or at least a small percentage of mankind, became very smart and tapped into these truths, they could begin to spread such truth across the globe and thus put Satan completely out of business. Now to be in touch with truths, one has therefore become very much in touch with the true reality. So put yourself back in Satan’s shoes. What would you do to prevent this? It’s quite simple. Set these people up to appear to be NOT in touch with reality. This way no one else will follow their road to truth, since everyone else now thinks that it is a road to insanity.

Now that this small percentage is separated from the rest of society, Satan and his followers can torment such victim’s to any magnitude of torture that they want to since the rest of humanity files no objections at all toward this. Before you know it, these victims will be jumping off bridges, jumping in front of trains, etc. while desperately trying to escape the unimaginable torment that Satan and the boys are putting each of them through. This suicidal response will then strengthen the rest of humanities interpretation of the victims suicidal actions as being entirely based upon the victims being “disturbed” people, even though this conclusion is obviously based upon beliefs.

Man’s ignorance would therefore give the beyond evil side the upper hand.

Thus to do well, Satan simply needs the presence of people who insist that " Less than truth " is more truthful than truth itself. In other words, he needs people who place beliefs first in line when making decisions or judgments, even though obviously truth is to be placed first in line. Beliefs are to come second since one is only dependent upon a belief if one is located at a distance from the truth, and thus one is located within the zone of " Less than Truth ". However, those who place beliefs first in line when making decisions or judgments, feel that certainty is achieved via the support of " Less than Truth ". Once this certainty is achieved, they feel that there is no need to venture any closer to the truth, since to them the belief was the truth.

To them, there is absolutely no difference between Truth and " Less than Truth ", thus either one is suffice to reach certainty. Thus this battle between beyond good and beyond evil is a nasty battle indeed, and will continue as long as mankind leaves the door open for Satan by keeping themselves at a distance from having direct contact with the truth.

And then there are Satan’s victims. How bad is their suffering. That easy to answer. It is so bad that it is beyond belief.
You are wrong. There is such a thing as a good God who is against an evil devil.
 
You are wrong. There is a thing as a beyond good God who is against a beyond evil devil.
 
There is no such a thing as a Good God that is up against an Evil Devil.

We exist on this side of reality, a reality that is always confined to the present time only.

The " God " and the " Devil " exist on the other side of reality, which is outside of our reality, and thus is NOT confined to the present time, but extends across all time other than the present time. A huge reality indeed !

What mankind defines as evil, and as good, are both that which is comprehended here on our side of reality. What is on the other side, is on the other side, and thus can not be present on our side, otherwise the two sides are no longer two separate sides. What exists on the other side is that which is beyond what we define as absolute Good, and also that which is beyond what we define as absolute Evil.

Yet despite these two unique sides, the beyond Evil side can extend into this reality of ours to a degree. How can this be if the two sides are separate, you may ask !

Well if the world was full of believers, rather than be full of people who are all directly connected to the truths of this side of reality, then the beyond Evil side is given the OK to do some really nasty acts. These acts simply have to be so low down and nasty that no one would believe that even the most evil being would ever do such things. The beyond good side would not be able to help since the believers could only not fall victim to such acts if they new of the truth of such matters. But, one is only dependent upon a belief if one is at a distance from the truth itself, thus the believers do not have direct access to the truth as protection.

So put yourself in Satan’s shoes. Would you want mankind to see the truth, or would you prefer that they stick to beliefs instead, and thus maintain that distance between mankind and the actual truth. Obviously you can not mess with mankind if they can not be deceived due to mankind being aware of the truth of Satan’s possible acts.

Thus if mankind, or at least a small percentage of mankind, became very smart and tapped into these truths, they could begin to spread such truth across the globe and thus put Satan completely out of business. Now to be in touch with truths, one has therefore become very much in touch with the true reality. So put yourself back in Satan’s shoes. What would you do to prevent this? It’s quite simple. Set these people up to appear to be NOT in touch with reality. This way no one else will follow their road to truth, since everyone else now thinks that it is a road to insanity.

Now that this small percentage is separated from the rest of society, Satan and his followers can torment such victim’s to any magnitude of torture that they want to since the rest of humanity files no objections at all toward this. Before you know it, these victims will be jumping off bridges, jumping in front of trains, etc. while desperately trying to escape the unimaginable torment that Satan and the boys are putting each of them through. This suicidal response will then strengthen the rest of humanities interpretation of the victims suicidal actions as being entirely based upon the victims being “disturbed” people, even though this conclusion is obviously based upon beliefs.

Man’s ignorance would therefore give the beyond evil side the upper hand.

Thus to do well, Satan simply needs the presence of people who insist that " Less than truth " is more truthful than truth itself. In other words, he needs people who place beliefs first in line when making decisions or judgments, even though obviously truth is to be placed first in line. Beliefs are to come second since one is only dependent upon a belief if one is located at a distance from the truth, and thus one is located within the zone of " Less than Truth ". However, those who place beliefs first in line when making decisions or judgments, feel that certainty is achieved via the support of " Less than Truth ". Once this certainty is achieved, they feel that there is no need to venture any closer to the truth, since to them the belief was the truth.

To them, there is absolutely no difference between Truth and " Less than Truth ", thus either one is suffice to reach certainty. Thus this battle between beyond good and beyond evil is a nasty battle indeed, and will continue as long as mankind leaves the door open for Satan by keeping themselves at a distance from having direct contact with the truth.

And then there are Satan’s victims. How bad is their suffering. That easy to answer. It is so bad that it is beyond belief.
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I apologize, for I found your argument to be rambling and poorly written. Nevertheless, in an attempt to discern what it is you are trying to say, I have a few questions:

  1. *]What is the substantive distinction between “good God,” “beyond good God,” “evil devil” and “beyond evil devil?” Given that God and the devil are conceived of as spiritual entities which transcend the present reality, isn’t the word “beyond” superfluous?
    *]Are you suggesting that man has it within himself to behold, in this life, undimmed, the awesome truth of the Beatific Vision? How can any man, born with a fallen nature, achieve such a feat and survive when the testimony of the saints who have experienced small glimpses of such through divine ecstasies has been fraught with foreboding?
    *]Do you also suggest that the sufferings Satan is capable of producing in this life can even approach the torments of Hell?

    I would be interested to know what your views on these matters are, if only to help clarify your position.
 
You have put a great deal of effort into your writing, so you have obviously spent some time working this out in your mind. And that’s good.

But you are apparently basing your thesis on some type of distinction you are drawing between the temporal and the eternal. I am not sure you have worked through that the now, just as the then and the after, are incorporated in the eternal. God and Satan live in eternity, but they also live in the here and now.
 
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