every Mass, every celebration of the Eucharist is special, there is no such thing as “more special”, special cannot be qualified. No Mass is “just another breakfast”. If that is the understanding of the Mass on the part of parents in your first communion class it sounds as if the pastor is doing some much needed education on the theology of Mass and the Eucharist. More power to him.
This sort of thing is JUST what the modernists are doing to us.
I could not agree with you more! Try anyway. See my response to Deacon Ed.
Is it ever possible that legitimate authority can be abused? If yes, then you can resist the abuse or succome to it. If you succome to it, the abuser will go to the next stage…human nature.
This is not a Tradition (with a capital T). Traditions of the Church are its Teachings. I wouldn’t even call this a tradition (small t). Its more of a local custom.Deacon2006:
Is it ever possible that legitimate authority can be abused? If yes, then you can resist the abuse or succome to it. If you succome to it, the abuser will go to the next stage…human nature.
Just read the signature…there is the long range purpose.
Traditions are never to be preserved, but replaced. The bishops as a group can no longer even defend their eucharist against public purveyers of PB abortion. Why give any special honor to your 1st communicant?
Your posts are often lacking the facts…
your memory of your first communion day is great, but it is not the only way to experience that day. I am still waiting for one person on this board to tell me why a child, properly catechised and prepared, approaching communion for the first time with his family during Sunday Mass, is not being welcomed by the community, is not having a special day, and where is the liturgical or canonical abuse? Answer - there is no abuse, the day is special because it is his first communion, he recieves Jesus in the Eucharist, NOT because of the clothes he is wearing, who he sits with, what kind of party he has, or how much money he rakes in from relatives, or whether grandma got it all on video.
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This Instruction, prepared by the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments **by mandate of the Supreme Pontiff John Paul II** in collaboration with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, was approved by the same Pontiff on the Solemnity of St. Joseph, 19 March 2004, and he ordered it to be published and to be observed immediately by all concerned.I agree with you and I condone only obedience to the pastor. Unity Unity Unity !!!
[184.] Any Catholic, whether Priest or Deacon or lay member of Christ’s faithful, has the right to lodge a complaint regarding a liturgical abuse to the diocesan Bishop or the competent Ordinary equivalent to him in law, or to the Apostolic See on account of the primacy of the Roman Pontiff.[[290]](http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20040423_redemptionis-sacramentum_en.html#_ftn290) It is fitting, however, insofar as possible, that the report or complaint be submitted first to the diocesan Bishop. This is naturally to be done in truth and charity.
Getting through this time of distress can be used to teach your children prudence and temperence. And make their 1st Holy Communion date a more memorable day to remember without any bitterness.
so what you people want is for 120 second graders to sit in the first 20 pews, their parents in the next 20 pews, and everybody else at 9:00 Mass on Sunday, May 2 to stand in the back (our church only seats 300) and all of them to receive communion (by intinction, since we cannot use deacons or EEMHCs). Shall I tell the people who come to the Spanish Mass at 10:30 to please wait outside for 45 minutes until the parking lot clears?
To invoke canon law in this circumstance demonstrates you have not properly understood the sensitivity and significance of this discussion.
Well, this notwithstanding…
The only source quoted is Redemptionis Sacramentum - which also leaves room for the discretion of this pastor. *You *are among those who have a problem with a perfectly valid exercise of pastoral authority, so it seems to me that the burden is on you to provide a more evidence for your position than a simple claim that I’ve missed the point.
Where does the Church mandate first communion be received under both species? It dosen’t…
Personally I think you would have to be incompetent if you could not organise 120 children into 5 groups of about 25. These groups would then be scheduled into any of the 30 masses during the easter season. Since the primary participants members already attend this church and several other parishoners will decide to attend other masses out of courtesy then the real net effect on the parish is nill, nada, nothing. In our parish we have about 500 first communicants every year and a church that only seats about 700, yet every child can attend mass with their class and family at a regularly scheduled sunday mass. Any organised person can do it and preserve the hopes, traditions and cultural worship practices of our catholic church.
I appreciate your personal thought and we both are agreed, but a valid exercise of pastoral authority is not the test of what a pastor should do in light of generations of tradition and spiritual culture.
well that would be and is my suggestion (see previous posts) but you have several people on this board who feel that because localized tradition, in some parts of the world, over the last 100 years is for the entire group to participate together at one “special” Mass, there is simply no alternative to consider. Have you read this entire thread? They are confusing Sacred Tradition, handed down by the apostles and preserved by the Magesterium, with local cultural and ethnic traditions particular to times and places. It they don’t know the difference, and if through no fault of their own they have not been catechised on the sacraments of initiation, particularly the Eucharist, the should not be making the vicious accusations of priestly authoritariasm and liturgical abuse that are being flung about here.
the priest is the liturgist, not the DRE, not the parents, not the catechist, not the school principal, not the choir director. The assumption that because this pastor has made a change in how the children are to be presented for first communion he is a “liturgical nazi”, a “modernist”, or is “pushing an agenda” and is surrounded by a “lavender mob” is unwarranted by anything in the original post. To fling these miscellaneous accusations against a particular priest, without any evidence except our own prejudices and experiences in other settings, is irresponsible, divisive, disobedient and utterly unbecoming for anyone who participates in these forums with the intent of becoming apologists and evangelists.
I hate to diagree with those I am allinned with, but HORSE HOCKEY.
