Google's Terms of Service

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Awesome question. Exactly the thing I worried about constantly when I was 12 years old and tried to register for message boards with age verification for under-thirteens. It’s not scrupulous to worry about whether we are obliged to follow laws that none of our peers follow! (Indeed, if we assumed otherwise, it’s a short step to large-scale music piracy.)

I’m going to riff on Aquinas here for a moment. Aquinas lists four criteria for a law to be valid and effective: it must be (1) an ordinance of reason, (2) for the common good, (3) promulgated and enforced by (4) a legitimate authority.

We can’t translate this definition (which applies to civil law) directly to the murky world of contract law, but let’s play with it for a minute anyway. Google is a legitimate authority in this matter, because Google owns the servers and services you’re using and is in some way responsible for your use of them. So it is allowed to make rules about its services, and we are obliged to follow them, if they meet the other criteria. Moreover, we give ample deference to Google’s rulemaking decisions, because, as the legitimate authority, they are the ones who get to decide whether their ordinances are reasonable and dedicated to the common good.

The trouble here is that Google does not promulgate or enforce this rule. Sure, it posted it in an obscure clause of its TOS, but it’s never given any hint to anyone that it doesn’t want young kids using its service. Indeed, to the contrary, its daily behavior contradicts its own TOS – it encourages violations of it. We see from its Google Account signup behavior that Google manifestly does not enforce this policy in any way.

In my opinion, this is not a valid ordinance for that reason. Perhaps it is reasonable and directed to the common good, but Google cannot encourage people to violate its own rules and expect it to be treated, by man or by God, as if they were real rules.

And so we find that it is, in fact, what we’ve always suspected it to be – legal boilerplate, hardly worth the paper its printed on, designed to cover Google’s butt in a court case. And, incidentally, under the laws of our country, this piece of boilerplate would not stand up in court, precisely because Google neither promulgates it or enforces it.

Yup! American law is satisfyingly sensible from time to time, and it does owe that in part to our Scholastic forefathers.

BOTTOM LINE: No worries, man. Go for it. Use all the Google services to your heart’s content. This analysis may not apply to other age-restricted services on other sites, however; you must evaluate the seriousness and enforcedness of a site’s age-restriction policies on a case-by-case basis.
 
Thanks for the answer! Now I can feel guilt-free about using Google 🙂
I AM, however, hoping to send a letter asking why they’d put that clause there, and what they think they’ll do if that rule ever gets followed because a majority of users wouldn’t be using their search engine and other services.
 
My kids’ high school uses Google Docs for many group projects…each student has a Google account for this.
 
Now, if only I could license my information to Google for a fee. After all, they do sell my info to advertisers for the purpose of targeted advertising.
 
Now, if only I could license my information to Google for a fee. After all, they do sell my info to advertisers for the purpose of targeted advertising.
I think you already do. 😃 You are paid by use of the search engine, which seems to be a decent service. Or isn’t that how it works? My personal ratio of nerdiness to clueless computer user is low these days.

🤓 divided by :manvspc: equals approximately 10%
 
Thanks so much for the advice, benedict.

So, I can peacefully proceed to use Google’s services? Without fear of mortal sin?

I get what you’re saying about being too strict with the rules. But I don’t get how God is okay with me breaking a law. This is similar to someone’s signature on this forum, but isn’t breaking a law sinful even if everyone thinks it’s okay? I mean, this law doesn’t seem like it’s evil, so shouldn’t we follow it?

Yes, I am arguing against myself. I do hope it’s okay. I just don’t get why it’s not sinful.
😃 Your fine. Just get out of the house, away from the computer and concentrate on serving. On the other hand, your on CAF. So you are using the services for right and moral purposes. Good for you! 👍 I dont think your violating a law, just a company policy perhaps. OOps. I used to work as an orderly in a phych hospital. My charge nurse broke the rules all the time. He would totally go against the Doctors orders if it was in the best interest of the patient. He was never wrong. 😃 So although he went against the rules, the treatement of the patient was better. Somtimes you gotta break an egg to get an omlette. Hope this helps. 😉 God bless:)
 
I think you already do. 😃 You are paid by use of the search engine, which seems to be a decent service. Or isn’t that how it works? My personal ratio of nerdiness to clueless computer user is low these days.

🤓 divided by :manvspc: equals approximately 10%
OK, I get the convenience of search, in exchange for the use (and monetization) of information about me and my searches, in perpetuity.
 
Thanks for the answer! Now I can feel guilt-free about using Google 🙂
I AM, however, hoping to send a letter asking why they’d put that clause there,
It’s to protect them from lawsuits filed by parents when they find their kids on porn sites. It’s to protect them from prosecution when a sexual predator connects with a victim.

You seem to be precocious in intellect and needing time for wisdom to catch up. Make an issue of this with Google and you are likely to find your account suspended. Not here, there. Learning which fights it’s worth fighting is a mark of maturity.
 
OK, I get the convenience of search, in exchange for the use (and monetization) of information about me and my searches, in perpetuity.
Yes, galling as such a steep price might be.

I wonder what is the approximate marginal revenue Google gets for each new average user of their system? Are we worth a few pennies to them? A dollar? What? :eek:
 
Yes, galling as such a steep price might be.

I wonder what is the approximate marginal revenue Google gets for each new average user of their system? Are we worth a few pennies to them? A dollar? What? :eek:
It’s my understanding that Google has a pretty remarkable pricing system. Unlike broadcast ads, Google ads can be designed so that the advertiser only pays for click-throughs. You click on the ad, Google gets paid, you don’t, it doesn’t.

The larger question is that Google retains a huge amount of data on searches. Google GMail retains mail virtually forever, and scans the contents to be able to–again–target advertising.

They don’t provide info on our searches to the government, but they will if that info is subpoenaed.

Right now we live in a relatively free society. What if that should change, in 50 or 60 or 100 years? A centralized government might insist on having access to all of Google’s data.

(Actually, Google could mitigate many of these worries simply by deleting stuff from their servers after a few months. But with Google, delete is a dirty word.)
 
I can’t believe this is actually meant seriously. In the past whenever I heard people remark about excessive and irrational “Catholic guilt” I used to think it was just a stereotype, but when I see stuff like this… :doh2:
 
I can’t believe this is actually meant seriously. In the past whenever I heard people remark about excessive and irrational “Catholic guilt” I used to think it was just a stereotype, but when I see stuff like this… :doh2:
Incredible huh?:sad_yes:
 
I’m confused still.

Is it sinful or not? Why or why not?
It’s not a sin, and certainly not a mortal sin.

It’s there for legal reasons. That is shown very clearly in the google user registration process: It asks your birthday, and then still gives you the account, even if you’re under 18.
 
IMO breaching a contract (or TOS) itself is morally neutral–i.e. not a sin just because there is a breach.
Now, it is possible that the same conduct that is the breach is another sin: eg., theft, lying, fraud, etc.
Here, I see no sin in the act of using Google’s services outside the TOS. Again with the caveat that we are not using it to embezzle or distribute porn or illegal substances or the like.
 
“2.3 You may not use the Services and may not accept the Terms if (a) you are not of legal age to form a binding contract with Google, or (b) you are a person barred from receiving the Services under the laws of the United States or other countries including the country in which you are resident or from which you use the Services.”

In order to use any of their services -including their search engine, I must be at least 18 (in the USA at least). Well, I’m not 18. So, does that mean I’d be sinning every time I use Google Search, Google Voice, their smartphone operating system (Android), Gmail, etc.?
Even though you are not old enough to form a binding contract in your own right, you are old enough to form a contract with your parent or guardian’s co-signature. Ask your parents for permission before using the internet (at least once ;))
 
Right now we live in a relatively free society. What if that should change, in 50 or 60 or 100 years? A centralized government might insist on having access to all of Google’s data.

(Actually, Google could mitigate many of these worries simply by deleting stuff from their servers after a few months. But with Google, delete is a dirty word.)
RELEVANT:

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FUN FACT: An average search is worth a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a penny to Google. That they are able to make so much profit off the service, above their huge operating costs, is a testament to their breathtaking volume.
 
RELEVANT:

img130.imageshack.us/img130/6908/googleevil.jpg

FUN FACT: An average search is worth a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a penny to Google. That they are able to make so much profit off the service, above their huge operating costs, is a testament to their breathtaking volume.
Time to turn evil! Yes I can envisage it, but with a lot more dire consequences. It’s the control of information that worries me. Only the person who has never been online using any device will be safe.
 
It’s my understanding that Google has a pretty remarkable pricing system. Unlike broadcast ads, Google ads can be designed so that the advertiser only pays for click-throughs. You click on the ad, Google gets paid, you don’t, it doesn’t.

The larger question is that Google retains a huge amount of data on searches. Google GMail retains mail virtually forever, and scans the contents to be able to–again–target advertising.

They don’t provide info on our searches to the government, but they will if that info is subpoenaed.

Right now we live in a relatively free society. What if that should change, in 50 or 60 or 100 years? A centralized government might insist on having access to all of Google’s data.

(Actually, Google could mitigate many of these worries simply by deleting stuff from their servers after a few months. But with Google, delete is a dirty word.)
I meant the average user, do they click on a certain number of ads, statistically? I don’t click on their ads, but still, I have accidentally clicked on the ads now and then, because the page is loading and glides so my mouse ends up on an ad unexpectedly, etc. Maybe I’m the only one who ever accidentally clicks on ads. :o On average, perhaps even the deliberate avoider of ads gets them some money.

Libraries could dump their records now and then, too, and save us from intrusive government searches. I wonder if they do this? I’m trying to remember, but I think our local library deliberately stopped keeping certain records a few years ago, to avoid the government subpoena issue. They made me happy that I can check certain books out again and again and not be tallied in some mystery file somewhere for odd behavior. (usually cookbooks, but you never know with me)

Personally, I think right now the government might be interested in Google records. They could investigate all those people who search on “how to avoid paying taxes”, etc. 😃 Be sure to do that search from a public computer…

Come to think of it, the credit cards know a lot about us, too. They somehow “guess” when the card has been used illegally, for example, and contact you. They know what you usually spend stuff on.
 
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