Gospel of Judas? How do I refute?

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It’s always a thrill to hear about a new finding of an antiquity. It will be interesting to see what is found out about it.
However, this being said,
  1. it doesn’t mean it’s true
  2. it doesn’t mean it changes the teachings of Christ or His Church.
From what I read about it they believe it to have been written in 300ad. That’s about 267 years after Judas died. And frankly if he had a cult following who “wrote in the manner and in the name of Judas” I don’t think it is worrysome at all. Christ did not “arrange” for his execution by asking Judas to turn Him in.
Christ did not commit “holy suicide”.
 
The Gospel of Judas is nothing really new. It was declared heretical as early as 180 AD. It is not Canonical which means it falls under the same classification of the other Aprocryphal books. There are certain factors that need to be considered: the Gospel of Judas was reportedly written in 300(unlike the four Canonical Gospels which were all completed by the end of the first Century from primary sources.) It was not accepted by the Church. It is in discord with Basic teachings of Christianity. Therefore it is like the Gospel of Thomas or any of the other Apocryphal Gosel accounts.

My question is why is the media so eager to try to discredit or smear our Faith?

They make such a big deal, and while it is very cool that these manuscripts have been discovered it certainly is nothing earth shattering. By the way this has been presented, you would think that they have found something that undermines our Faith.
 
The Gospel of Judas is another Gnostic Gospel. It was written about and refuted by St Ireaneus. The National Geographic Channel is about to air a program on it. Here is their link to get some more info on the project. www9.nationalgeographic.com/lostgospel/

The problem is this, it is gnostic in nature. It was written well after the time of the Apostles by a gnostic sect in Egypt. It claims that Jesus asked Judas to turn him over so that He could be killed, thus freeing him from his flesh bondage. WOW, what a bunch of ****, but what we would expect from gnostics.

All this discovery proves is what we already know… that gnostics exsisted, that they believed things in great opposition to Christian Orthodoxy, and that their beliefs were conquered by Orthodoxy.
 
When you say, “How do I refute?” you are accepting that the Gospel of Judas is valid.

It isn’t. It’s a forgery, written long after the time of Christ. You don’t have to refute it. Those who advance it have to prove their case.
 
it isn’t a forgery, it’s just not Canonical. It is authentic Gnostic literature. Gnosticism is heretical and has been rejected and condemned ever since the beginning. This is really not big news.
It isn’t. It’s a forgery, written long after the time of Christ. You don’t have to refute it. Those who advance it have to prove their case.
I was once told that the only good of the Non-Canonical/Apocryphal writings is to contrast the infinite difference in intricacy and beauty between that inspired int he minds of men and that inspired in the mind of God. Have you ever read the Gospel of John? “Even Hollywood can’t make this kind of stuff up!”
 
vern humphrey:
When you say, “How do I refute?” you are accepting that the Gospel of Judas is valid.

It isn’t. It’s a forgery, written long after the time of Christ. You don’t have to refute it. Those who advance it have to prove their case.
Nope…I don’t accept it at all. I just want to educate the person who is posting this that the “Gospel of Judas” is wrong.
 
This got me to thinking. Did anyone else see “The Last Temptation of Christ”? I seem to remember a scene where Jesus takes Judas aside and convinces Judas to betray Him.
The movie came out in the early '90’s and the novel was published in the late 60’s I think. The author must have gotten the idea from the gnostic gospels. If I’m right, than this idea has been out there for awhile now. This isn’t some earth shattering discovery. Whoever funded the research has to recoup the +$2 million they spent on the project or at least justify it somehow.
 
this movie is not an accurate depiction according to Orthodoxy.
 
I don’t know how to link to a specific Zenit article.So Hope this isn’t breaking a rule.

Code: ZE06040524

Date: 2006-04-05

The "Gospel of Judas"

Interview With Father Thomas Williams, Theology Dean


ROME, APRIL 5, 2006 (Zenit.org).- The National Geographic Society has announced its intentions to publish an English translation of an ancient text called “The Gospel of Judas” later this month.

The 31-page manuscript, written in Coptic, purportedly surfaced in Geneva in 1983 and has only been translated now.

ZENIT asked Legionary Father Thomas D. Williams, dean of theology at the Regina Apostolorum university in Rome, to comment on the relevance of the discovery.

Q: What is the “Gospel of Judas”?

Father Williams: Though the manuscript still must be authenticated, it likely represents a fourth- or fifth-century text, and is a copy of an earlier document produced by a Gnostic sect called the Cainites.

The document paints Judas Iscariot in a positive light, and describes him as obeying a divine ordinance in handing over Jesus to the authorities for the salvation of the world.

It may well be a copy of the “Gospel of Judas” referred to by St. Irenaeus of Lyons in his work “Against the Heresies,” written around A.D. 180.

Q: If authentic, what challenge would this document pose to traditional Christian belief? Will it “shake Christianity to its foundations” as some press releases have suggested?

Father Williams: Certainly not. The Gnostic gospels, of which there are many besides this one, are not Christian documents per se, since they proceed from a syncretistic sect that incorporated elements from different religions, including Christianity.

From the moment of their appearance, the Christian community rejected these documents because of their incompatibility with the Christian faith.

The “Gospel of Judas” would be a document of this sort, which could have great historical value, since it contributes to our knowledge of the Gnostic movement, but it poses no direct challenge to Christianity.

Q: Is it true that the Church has tried to cover up this text and other apocryphal texts?

Father Williams: These are myths circulated by Dan Brown and other conspiracy theorists.

You can go to any Catholic bookstore and pick up a copy of the Gnostic gospels. Christians may not believe them to be true, but there is no attempt to hide them.

Q: But doesn’t an early document of this sort rival orthodox Christian sources, such as the four canonical Gospels?

Father Williams: Remember that Gnosticism arose in the middle of the second century, and the “Gospel of Judas,” if authentic, probably dates back to the mid- to late second century.

To put a historical perspective on things, that would be like you or me writing a text now on the American Civil War and having that text later used as a primary historical source on the war. The text could not have been written by eyewitnesses, the way at least two of the canonical Gospels were.

Q: Why would the leaders of the Gnostic movement have been interested in Judas?

Father Williams: One of the major differences between Gnostic belief and that of Christianity concerns the origins of evil in the universe.

Christians believe that a good God created a good world, and that through the abuse of free will, sin and corruption entered the world and produced disorder and suffering.

The Gnostics blamed God for the evil in the world and claimed that he created the world in a disordered and flawed way. Thus they champion the rehabilitation of Old Testament figures such as Cain, who killed his brother Abel, and Esau, the elder brother of Jacob, who sold his birthright for a plate of pottage.

Judas fits perfectly into the Gnostic agenda of showing that God intends evil for the world.

Q: But wasn’t Judas’ betrayal a necessary part of God’s plan, as this text suggests?

Father Williams: Being omniscient, God knows full well what choices we will make and weaves even our bad decisions into his providential plan for the world.

In his last published book, Pope John Paul II eloquently reflected on how God continues to bring good out of even the worst evil that man can produce.

That doesn’t mean, however, that God intends for us to do evil, or that he intended for Judas to betray Jesus. If it wasn’t Judas, it would have been someone else. The authorities had already decided to put Jesus to death, and it was just a matter of time.
 
Q: What is the Church’s position regarding Judas? Is it possible to “rehabilitate” him?

Father Williams: Though the Catholic Church has a canonization process by which it declares certain persons to be in heaven, as saints, it has no such process for declaring people to be condemned.

Historically, many have thought that Judas is probably in hell, because of Jesus’ severe indictment of Judas: “It would be better for that man if he had never been born,” as he says in Matthew 26:24. But even these words do not offer conclusive evidence regarding his fate.

In his 1994 book, “Crossing the Threshold of Hope,” Pope John Paul II wrote that Jesus’ words “do not allude for certain to eternal damnation.”

Q: But if anyone deserves hell, wouldn’t it be Judas?

Father Williams: Surely many people deserve hell, but we must remember that the mercy of God is infinitely greater than our wickedness.

Peter and Judas committed very similar faults: Peter denied Jesus three times, and Judas handed him over. And yet now Peter is remembered as a saint and Judas simply as the traitor.

The main difference between the two is not the nature or gravity of their sin, but rather their willingness to accept God’s mercy. Peter wept for his sins, came back to Jesus, and was pardoned. The Gospel describes Judas as hanging himself in despair.

Q: Why is the “Gospel of Judas” arousing so much interest?

Father Williams: Such theories regarding Judas are certainly not new.

It’s enough to remember the 1973 play “Jesus Christ Superstar,” where Judas sings, “I have no thought at all about my own reward. I really didn’t come here of my own accord,” or Taylor Caldwell’s 1977 novel “I, Judas.”

The enormous economic success of “The Da Vinci Code” has undoubtedly stirred up the pot, and provided financial incentive for theories of this sort.

Michael Baigent, author of “Holy Blood, Holy Grail,” now has a book out called “The Jesus Papers,” which recycles the old story that Jesus survived the crucifixion.

And a newly released “scientific” study asserts that meteorological conditions could have been such that Jesus really walked on ice, when the Gospels say he walked on water.

Basically, for those who reject outright the possibility of miracles, any theory, outlandish as it may be, trumps Christian claims.
 
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Anonymous_1:
it isn’t a forgery, it’s just not Canonical
No, it IS a forgery because no one seriously believes Judas wrote it or taught it to someone.

Scott
 
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Anonymous_1:
this movie is not an accurate depiction according to Orthodoxy.
I know. I don’t accept it, I just meant that this idea that Jesus convinced Judas to betray Him is not new nor earth shattering. I was also thinking about “Jesus Christ Superstar” which Father Williams mentions in the interview below.

Again I think the media ruckus has more to do with the almighty dollar than anything else.

I just think we need to get the word out that this"revelation" has no impact on our doctrine or beliefs whatsoever.
 
Scott Waddell:
No, it IS a forgery because no one seriously believes Judas wrote it or taught it to someone.

Scott
Of course Judas didn’t write it, this particular manuscript is from the Fourth century. It is however authentic Gnostic literature.
 
Wasn’t this “Gospel of Judas” document originally “found” in Egypt back in the 70s? What is the reason that it is just making news now?
 
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Anonymous_1:
Of course Judas didn’t write it, this particular manuscript is from the Fourth century. It is however authentic Gnostic literature.
Actually, I do believe there is still an open question as to its authenticity.
 
The first question I would ask is:

Assuming it is a real document,
And Jesus did tell Judas to betray Him,
Why did Judas commit suicide?
 
Scott Waddell:
Actually, I do believe there is still an open question as to its authenticity.
That can’t be, it must be true I saw it on ABC!!😛
 
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